Democratic National Convention

[Phatscotty]

That's what America sent the Republicans to do in 2010. STOP OBAMA!

[Juan_Bottom]

Riiiiiiiiight.....

And it had nothing to do with their unified national message/slogan of "Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!"

Riiiiiiiigt......

Well, I'll explain Obama's jobs bill then.
It added a permanent surtax of .5% (original bill was 5.6%) on incomes in excess of $1million dollars to provide funds to state governments to retain Firefighters, Police, and Teachers.

Your Republican party blocked a .5% tax on the wealthy so that the states would be forced to fire teachers, firefighters, and police officers. Then they blamed Obama for it. Then you blamed Obama for it.
Meanwhile, Republicans have made no effort to create jobs themselves.

[Juan_Bottom]

[AndyDufresne]

A friend of mine who watched the convention coverage yesterday had this to say: "Michelle looked pretty hot."

Maybe I should watch the conventions instead of working outside or evenin' readin'.


--Andy

[Night Strike]

"I have seen firsthand that being president doesn't change who you are - it reveals who you are."

That line was a complete gift to conservatives. It shows that Obama really is extremely liberal in both his rhetoric and personal life as well as believing that the President has the authority to bypass Congress any time he wants legislation passed or current laws ignored.

[BigBallinStalin]

A friend of mine who watched the convention coverage yesterday had this to say: "Michelle looked pretty hot."

Maybe I should watch the conventions instead of working outside or evenin' readin'.


--Andy

The pursuit of knowledge must be neglected for the sake of televised titties. Cast ye books into thy fire! Thar be titties around!

[thegreekdog]

Works either way, state or states. Nice try though. Thanks for playing, tokens available below.

Are these GAME tokens?

Just don't say that in front of a libertarian like Mike Church. He can rant for hours on the air how the United States went from a "plural" to a "singular" as the result of the EVIL Lincoln administration.

Mike Church rings a bell, hey Greekdog, is that the guy you were always telling me to check out?

Yes. I stopped listening to Mike Church around the time that I stopped getting free Sirius in my car.

[thegreekdog]

Short aside - While some may criticize Republicans for not having a "jobs bill" I applaud the Republicans. It should not be the government's responsibility to "create jobs."

Another short aside - Michelle Obama is very hot.

[Nola_Lifer]

I'll have to say this, after watching last night and the Repubs Convention, at least the Democrats are real. They can speak and put emotion in their speeches. While the dudes in red just spout out shit. They don't seem real and, frankly, they don't even seem like they believe it themselves.

[thegreekdog]

I'll have to say this, after watching last night and the Repubs Convention, at least the Democrats are real. They can speak and put emotion in their speeches. While the dudes in red just spout out shit. They don't seem real and, frankly, they don't even seem like they believe it themselves.

I haven't watched any of the DNC speeches yet. I agree generally with the RNC speeches. I thought Christie seemed real (but I'm biased). Ryan, Rubio, and Romney did not seem that into it.

[tzor]

Let's see. I know I tweeted something about this recently ... let's see ...

Fact Check: First Lady's False Fairy Tale of Struggle http://bit.ly/NcWzSu via @sharethis #LNYHBT @seanhannity

**** WARNING **** You are about to encounter an inversion paradox; that which is A is really B and that which is B is really A.

“Believe it or not, when we were first married, our combined monthly student loan bills were actually higher than our mortgage,” Michelle said. That sounds like a raw deal--but in fact reflects their fortunate circumstances. They had both just graduated from a very expensive law school, and their combined income from cushy law firm jobs dwarfed the repayments. Barack also soon enjoyed a second salary from the University of Chicago.

They had expensive tastes, reflected in the $277,500 two-bedroom condo they bought in 1993--a high price even by today’s standards. Several years later, they moved into their $1.65 million mansion in Hyde Park--with the help of fraudster Tony Rezko. Barack often told a story of hardship on the campaign trail in 2008 about having his credit card declined--once. The fact that he thought this counted as real hardship speaks volumes.

So in fact Obama and Michelle were really, from the moment they married, "rich" by any stretch of the imagination. You don't go into the poor house out of Law School. But in their narrative they want to make the Romneys look like they have the silver spoon syndrone and not themselves, because that wouldn't jive with their class warfare rhetoric.

(NOTE: More to come, normally I would have done a comparison to the Romney's early life, but Google is on the fritz at the moment.)

[Phatscotty]

I'll have to say this, after watching last night and the Repubs Convention, at least the Democrats are real. They can speak and put emotion in their speeches. While the dudes in red just spout out shit. They don't seem real and, frankly, they don't even seem like they believe it themselves.

My take, so far, the Republicans had a Convention with class, manners, and focus. They did not lay out many specific plans, but they also did not attack Obama. Sure, the Democrats I saw yesterday had a lot of passion, emotion, whatever you want to call it. I call it hate. Their entire message is focused on making people hate Republicans, just like here in the OT. But I am not surprised, because if your record sucks, that's what you have to do

[AndyDufresne]

I call it hate. Their entire message is focused on making people hate Republicans, just like here in the OT. But I am not surprised, because if your record sucks, that's what you have to do

Stop crying and get logical. BBS 2012


--Andy

[tzor]

(NOTE: More to come, normally I would have done a comparison to the Romney's early life, but Google is on the fritz at the moment.)

It's working now. Fact-Checking Ann and Mitt Romney's Hardknock Early Years

Even with the fact checks in place it's still hard to compare the life of the Obama's with the life of the Romney's. And remember that Michelle never had to deal with MS or Breast Cancer.

[thegreekdog]

I read a funny slogan the other day:

"You should be less concerned with what Mitt Romney does with his own money and more concerned with what President Obama does with your money."

[Phatscotty]

I call it hate. Their entire message is focused on making people hate Republicans, just like here in the OT. But I am not surprised, because if your record sucks, that's what you have to do

Stop crying and get logical. BBS 2012


--Andy

That's exactly my point Andy! Listen to them cry!

Is this your first convention? It's not really a new thing for the party that is losing in the polls to have a negative convention.

[AndyDufresne]

I am going to hunker down in the 1000 years of darkness that could be forth coming, according to Chuck Norris.

show: Safety Measures

Edit: Didn't your post say something else? I thought it did when I last read it.


--Andy

[Phatscotty]

"The Government Is The Only Thing We All Belong To"

Yes sir Mister Plantation owner sir!

[Phatscotty]

Any guesses or predictions as to why Bill Clinton is keeping his speech secret from Obama and the Convention?

I have one, but not for Bill Clinton. When Sandra Fluke (the 28 year old "student" that Rush Limbaugh called a slut) is done speaking, instead of balloons being dropped, they are gonna drop a bunch of blown up condoms, and instead of throwing confetti they will douse her with birth control pill shavings...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/s ... 57585828/1

CHARLOTTE – Twenty years after accepting the Democratic nomination for president at Madison Square Garden in New York, Bill Clinton returns to center stage Wednesday night in an effort to help — but not overshadow —President Obama.

It's a delicate dance: Both the former president and his eight years in office seem to get more popular with age. Clinton's 69% favorable rating in a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll is his highest in the 136 times Gallup has measured it, even at the time of his inauguration in 1993. A month after he left office in 2001, it was 39%.

Perhaps more important, the period of peace, prosperity — and 23 million new jobs — over which Clinton presided hasn't been matched since. Democrats are betting that middle-class Americans will warm to those memories and the hope that Obama can replicate them.

So when the 66-year-old elder statesman nominates Obama — the man who defeated his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, for the party nod four years ago — it will mark both a nostalgic moment for Democrats and a reminder that things aren't going nearly as well today.

"It's a time for which Democrats feel quite proud," recalls former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, Clinton's ally from 1995-2000. "We think back to those days as the good old days, and he was the architect."

"Bringing Clinton in is an enormous risk," says former Republican House speaker Newt Gingrich, Clinton's chief counterpart from 1995-98, who compromised with him to balance budgets and overhaul welfare. "He was just a heck of a lot better president than Barack Obama. It will remind you how pathetically bad Obama has been."

Indeed, Clinton's seventh consecutive command performance at a Democratic convention will elicit comparisons with Obama — some favorable for the president, others not so much — as well as questions about how the nation's 42nd president can help the 44th win re-election.

The two men have had a strained relationship in the past, caused mostly by Obama's eclipse of Hillary Clinton in the 2008 election. But they appeared together in the White House briefing room in December 2010 and golfed together last September, bonding over policy issues along the way.

Clinton's rock star status is reflected in the decision to make him the featured speaker Wednesday, wedged between first lady Michelle Obama on Tuesday and the president on Thursday. By contrast, former president George W. Bush was absent last week from the Republican National Convention in Tampa.

Out of politics for 12 years, Clinton has seen his popularity rise along with his wife's, who polls at 66% as secretary of State and has not ruled out another presidential campaign in 2016. Obama has a 53% personable favorable rating and a 45% job approval rating.

As head of the Clinton Global Initiative and William J. Clinton Foundation, the ex-president has spent his post-presidency involved in issues such as international development while becoming a multimillionaire on the speaking circuit. He declined a USA TODAY interview request.

Seeking 'positive energy'

Wednesday's speech could be particularly important. Obama arrives here deadlocked with Mitt Romney, a situation Clinton didn't encounter during an easier re-election contest against Bob Dole in 1996. What Clinton has to say — and how he says it — could influence the outcome of the campaign.

"An uplifting, unifying message from Bill Clinton could be very helpful to Barack Obama at this point in time, because the country is cynical and disgusted and kind of tired," says Thea Lee, deputy chief of staff at the AFL-CIO. "A large part of what they're looking for is just the warmth of his personality and his charisma and his positive energy."

File photo by Robert Deutsch, USA TODAY

Clinton delivers his acceptance speech at the 1992 Democratic National Convention in New York.

Obama can use more than nostalgia and positive energy. He needs to convince Americans that he can deliver even a fraction of the 23 million jobs created during the Clinton years. His administration has suffered a net loss of 300,000 jobs.

Clinton's job is to make that case and to contrast it with the Republican proposal for across-the-board tax cuts and deep domestic spending cuts. He is likely to criticize Romney for an ad — featuring Clinton — that accuses Obama of trying to ease welfare work rules.

"This election, to me, is about which candidate is more likely to return us to full employment," he says in a TV ad getting lots of air time. "President Obama has a plan to rebuild America from the ground up, investing in innovation, education and job training. It only works if there is a strong middle class."

Though Democrats who have worked with both men say their economic goals are similar, they say the steep recession Obama inherited and deep differences with Republicans in Congress have prevented him from seeing better results. During 22 months of job growth since October 2010, 3.4 million jobs have been added.

Unlike Clinton, Obama "came into office with an immediate crisis, which then became a long-term crisis," says Elaine Kamarck, who ran the Clinton administration's "reinventing government" effort. "He didn't have the liberty that Clinton did to define his presidency."

Another difference: Though both Clinton and Obama lost their Democratic majorities in Congress after two years, Clinton was able to work with GOP leaders to overhaul welfare at the end of his first term and to produce a balanced budget at the start of his second term. Obama has faced a Tea Party-infused Republican leadership less willing to compromise.

File photo by Charles Dharapak, AP

Clinton confers with President Obama in 2009.

To many Americans, the memories aren't always fond. Much like Obama, Clinton began his first term in 1993 with a partisan budget and health care plan. That was followed by a government shutdown and, in his second term, by his impeachment after the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Clinton's approval of GOP legislation easing restrictions on banks in 1999 may have paved the way for the financial crisis a decade later.

"Clearly, President Clinton gets the credit for that period, but he certainly put us through a rough time," recalls Bill Hoagland, the Senate Republicans' top budget staffer in the 1990s. "People looking back will set aside some of the faults of President Clinton, and they'll look back at the Clinton years as a time when economic growth eventually came about."

Clinton, unlike Obama, polls well across demographic groups. He's favored by 64% of men, 68% of independents, 63% of whites and 63% of those older than 65.

"He is a person who is credible with both swing voters and particularly with respect to white, working-class voters," says John Podesta, Clinton's last White House chief of staff. To those voters, Clinton can say, " 'I understand your lives, I know what you need. What Romney's selling isn't going to help you, and stick with Obama.' "

Clinton can make the policy case against Romney, whose proposals he likens to Bush's: lower taxes and less regulation.

"He can actually show that the two policy approaches that are being debated now are very similar" to the Clinton and Bush policies, says Chris Jennings, Clinton's health adviser in the White House. "Why wouldn't you want the one that ended up in success, rather than the one that ended up in failure?"

Look for Clinton to explain the difference between policies that favor the middle class and those that benefit the wealthy, Jennings says. "He makes the seemingly complex become common sense," he says. "I've seen politicians come and go now for better than 30 years, and there's no one that comes close to him."

The danger of Clinton

Using Clinton too much comes with risk, some Democrats say. He sometimes says the wrong thing, such as in June when he lauded Romney's business career at Bain Capital. His convention speech has not been vetted by the Obama campaign — only its broad themes.

He also could overshadow Obama — both in terms of policy results and personal charm. "The possibility that the strongest speech at the convention is delivered by Clinton is very real," says Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

Personal endorsements are worth only so much, says George Edwards, a presidential scholar at Texas A&M University. He notes that Clinton's support didn't help his wife win the Democratic nomination in 2008.

Even so, just being associated with the first Democratic president to be re-elected since Franklin Roosevelt is likely to help Obama, most Democrats and outside experts say.

"Clinton's second term was the last identifiable American high — peace and prosperity, we had an Internet boom, real incomes were going up, there was no rising enemy power on the horizon," says Steven Schier, a presidential historian at Carleton College whose recent book compares Clinton and Obama.

"Looks good in retrospect."

[jay_a2j]

Watching CNN coverage of DNC and they show an interview with Paul Ryan. The interviewer asks, "What do you think about supporting a candidate who flip flops" (referring to Romney's change in stance on abortion) Ryan goes on to talk about "people change their mind" "the important issue are..." etc.

The whole time I'm like..... RYAN, what don't you mention OBAMA's flip flop on GAY MARRIAGE?????????????????????????????????????????????



Hypocrites

[Juan_Bottom]

Watching CNN coverage of DNC and they show an interview with Paul Ryan. The interviewer asks, "What do you think about supporting a candidate who flip flops" (referring to Romney's change in stance on abortion) Ryan goes on to talk about "people change their mind" "the important issue are..." etc.

The whole time I'm like..... RYAN, what don't you mention OBAMA's flip flop on GAY MARRIAGE?????????????????????????????????????????????



Hypocrites

Ryan had to be careful, because he's been accused of flip-flopping A LOT. Remember that he voted over and over again to increase national debt by/and give Bush a blank check. Now that Obama's in charge he's some kind of fiscal conservative who can't be bothered to check the math on his own economic plan.
So he's just playing the game of politics there. If he points that out then all the liberal pundits will turn it around on him.


Michelle Obama's DNC Speech Written at 7 Grade Levels Above Ann Romney's

This explains why Michelle's speech sounded like a discussion and Ann's sounded like she was talking at us.

[Symmetry]

Watching CNN coverage of DNC and they show an interview with Paul Ryan. The interviewer asks, "What do you think about supporting a candidate who flip flops" (referring to Romney's change in stance on abortion) Ryan goes on to talk about "people change their mind" "the important issue are..." etc.

The whole time I'm like..... RYAN, what don't you mention OBAMA's flip flop on GAY MARRIAGE?????????????????????????????????????????????



Hypocrites

Romney's stance on abortion is understandably against Ryan's. There's a very good reason why Ryan has a problem. His stance is that all fertilized embryos should be considered human, and discarding them should be illegal and criminal. Something that would make in vetro fertilisation illegal.

Three of Romney's sons have kids via the process of IVF. A process Ryan wanted to make illegal.

Source:

Here

[Juan_Bottom]

[Juan_Bottom]

YouTube Pulls Michelle Obama's Democratic National Convention Speech In 'Error'

Here's the explanation^ or lack of one^


And here is where you can watch the speech.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/201 ... peech.html

[Night Strike]

So the DNC realized they can't win by omitting "God-given" rights and acknowledgment of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, yet the same amount of people yelled "nay". Quite telling of where the Democratic Party really is today: all about government.