bob is a racist

[Symmetry]

Dan Joseph whose handle (at least on Youtube) is BlackandRight.

Nope. Try again.

Whoops... you're right. Bob Parks produced the video.

Indeed, and Bob Parks is

a member/writer for the National Advisory Council of Project 21

A rather dubious group:

What is Project 21?

[thegreekdog]

Dan Joseph whose handle (at least on Youtube) is BlackandRight.

Nope. Try again.

Whoops... you're right. Bob Parks produced the video.

Indeed, and Bob Parks is

a member/writer for the National Advisory Council of Project 21

A rather dubious group:

What is Project 21?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal

[Symmetry]

I'm not sure what you want to say there- he seems left wing, but legit. Where's the beef?

[thegreekdog]

I'm not sure what you want to say there- he seems left wing, but legit. Where's the beef?

Timeline of events:

(1) DocBrown posts video.
(2) People comment.
(3) Symmetry and Lootifer find video distasteful.
(4) Symmetry finds it distasteful because it's political propaganda. Symmetry wants someone to identify that it's political propaganda, presumably the producer of the video.
(5) TGD acknowledges that it is political propaganda and wants to know who should acknowledge it.
(6) Symmetry asks TGD who the video's producer is.
(7) TGD, eventually, provides the correct name.
(8) Symmetry links to an article describing Project 21, a political organization.
(9) TGD finds that the link is from an editorial by noted Republican-basher and political propagandist Max Blumenthal (who TGD played rugby with at college).

Did you find the Blumenthal editorial tasteless? Or was it the comedic nature of the video? Did the Blumenthal article seem to accuse certain conservative-leaning folks as being racist? Is the video perhaps an appropriate response to the Blumenthal editorial?

[Symmetry]

I'm not sure what you want to say there- he seems left wing, but legit. Where's the beef?

Timeline of events:

(1) DocBrown posts video.
(2) People comment.
(3) Symmetry and Lootifer find video distasteful.
(4) Symmetry finds it distasteful because it's political propaganda. Symmetry wants someone to identify that it's political propaganda, presumably the producer of the video.
(5) TGD acknowledges that it is political propaganda and wants to know who should acknowledge it.
(6) Symmetry asks TGD who the video's producer is.
(7) TGD, eventually, provides the correct name.
(8) Symmetry links to an article describing Project 21, a political organization.
(9) TGD finds that the link is from an editorial by noted Republican-basher and political propagandist Max Blumenthal (who TGD played rugby with at college).

Did you find the Blumenthal editorial tasteless? Or was it the comedic nature of the video? Did the Blumenthal article seem to accuse certain conservative-leaning folks as being racist? Is the video perhaps an appropriate response to the Blumenthal editorial?

Do you think this thread would have been different if folks were aware of who made it?

[thegreekdog]

I'm not sure what you want to say there- he seems left wing, but legit. Where's the beef?

Timeline of events:

(1) DocBrown posts video.
(2) People comment.
(3) Symmetry and Lootifer find video distasteful.
(4) Symmetry finds it distasteful because it's political propaganda. Symmetry wants someone to identify that it's political propaganda, presumably the producer of the video.
(5) TGD acknowledges that it is political propaganda and wants to know who should acknowledge it.
(6) Symmetry asks TGD who the video's producer is.
(7) TGD, eventually, provides the correct name.
(8) Symmetry links to an article describing Project 21, a political organization.
(9) TGD finds that the link is from an editorial by noted Republican-basher and political propagandist Max Blumenthal (who TGD played rugby with at college).

Did you find the Blumenthal editorial tasteless? Or was it the comedic nature of the video? Did the Blumenthal article seem to accuse certain conservative-leaning folks as being racist? Is the video perhaps an appropriate response to the Blumenthal editorial?

Do you think this thread would have been different if folks were aware of who made it?

Wow, you didn't answer my questions. I'm shocked.

To answer your question, no I do not think this thread would have been different. Do you? Were you under the impression that the video was produced and conceived by a Democrat or liberal?

[Symmetry]

Sorry, I should be fair and answer your questions

I didn't find it tasteless.

I'm not sure what you mean with the second question.

Not really- it accused the Republican right of using the group as a front to hurl racism allegations, and to protect themselves from racist accusations.

I did not know that the video was a reply to Blumenthal's editorial. Can you provide a source?

[thegreekdog]

Sorry, I should be fair and answer your questions

I didn't find it tasteless.

I'm not sure what you mean with the second question.

Not really- it accused the Republican right of using the group as a front to hurl racism allegations, and to protect themselves from racist accusations.

I did not know that the video was a reply to Blumenthal's editorial. Can you provide a source?

The video was not a direct reply to Blumenthal's editorial. The video could be used as a response to Blumenthal's editorial.

The key issue (not with this thread, with the political dialogue generally) is that some Democrats believe that African Americans cannot be Republicans and that Republicans are racist, by and large (there are some rather funny videos of this in action on reasontv and from The Daily Show). These are certainly not true, obviously. On the other side, some Republicans attempt to distance themselves from the conclusions some Democrats have wrongfully made by creating a group of black Republicans (one of the group, Blumenthal accurately and with malice-aforethought points out is white) to contradict the Democrats on this point.

From my perspective, unless a Democrat or Republican actually says or does something that is actually racist (e.g. Ron Paul's newsletters or the president's campaign calling Hillary Clinton's campaign racist in 2008), I prefer to look at how the candidates will deal with certain issues. I don't think this is too much to ask. Others think it should be a major talking point in elections. These tend to be the same people who focus on whether Romney released his tax returns or whether Obama was born in the United States.

EDIT - Also, feel free to indicate whether you believed the video was produced by a Democrat or liberal.

[Symmetry]

Sorry, I should be fair and answer your questions

I didn't find it tasteless.

I'm not sure what you mean with the second question.

Not really- it accused the Republican right of using the group as a front to hurl racism allegations, and to protect themselves from racist accusations.

I did not know that the video was a reply to Blumenthal's editorial. Can you provide a source?

The video was not a direct reply to Blumenthal's editorial. The video could be used as a response to Blumenthal's editorial.

The key issue (not with this thread, with the political dialogue generally) is that some Democrats believe that African Americans cannot be Republicans and that Republicans are racist, by and large (there are some rather funny videos of this in action on reasontv and from The Daily Show). These are certainly not true, obviously. On the other side, some Republicans attempt to distance themselves from the conclusions some Democrats have wrongfully made by creating a group of black Republicans (one of the group, Blumenthal accurately and with malice-aforethought points out is white) to contradict the Democrats on this point.

From my perspective, unless a Democrat or Republican actually says or does something that is actually racist (e.g. Ron Paul's newsletters or the president's campaign calling Hillary Clinton's campaign racist in 2008), I prefer to look at how the candidates will deal with certain issues. I don't think this is too much to ask. Others think it should be a major talking point in elections. These tend to be the same people who focus on whether Romney released his tax returns or whether Obama was born in the United States.

EDIT - Also, feel free to indicate whether you believed the video was produced by a Democrat or liberal.

I checked the sources first, sorry- it's a habit. I don't always do it, but I like to know where something came from. Doc Brown isn't usually a reliable source, so I had less trust to start with.

[thegreekdog]

Sorry, I should be fair and answer your questions

I didn't find it tasteless.

I'm not sure what you mean with the second question.

Not really- it accused the Republican right of using the group as a front to hurl racism allegations, and to protect themselves from racist accusations.

I did not know that the video was a reply to Blumenthal's editorial. Can you provide a source?

The video was not a direct reply to Blumenthal's editorial. The video could be used as a response to Blumenthal's editorial.

The key issue (not with this thread, with the political dialogue generally) is that some Democrats believe that African Americans cannot be Republicans and that Republicans are racist, by and large (there are some rather funny videos of this in action on reasontv and from The Daily Show). These are certainly not true, obviously. On the other side, some Republicans attempt to distance themselves from the conclusions some Democrats have wrongfully made by creating a group of black Republicans (one of the group, Blumenthal accurately and with malice-aforethought points out is white) to contradict the Democrats on this point.

From my perspective, unless a Democrat or Republican actually says or does something that is actually racist (e.g. Ron Paul's newsletters or the president's campaign calling Hillary Clinton's campaign racist in 2008), I prefer to look at how the candidates will deal with certain issues. I don't think this is too much to ask. Others think it should be a major talking point in elections. These tend to be the same people who focus on whether Romney released his tax returns or whether Obama was born in the United States.

EDIT - Also, feel free to indicate whether you believed the video was produced by a Democrat or liberal.

I checked the sources first, sorry- it's a habit. I don't always do it, but I like to know where something came from. Doc Brown isn't usually a reliable source, so I had less trust to start with.

Interesting. I find Doc Brown to be the most reliable source from the conservative side on this website. More reliable than me certainly.

Let's see if Lootifer thought this video was created by a liberal or Democrat. I didn't think so before I clicked it (because Doc Brown had posted it) and after I watched it (because it would be counterproductive and counterintuitive for a Democrat or liberal to make that video). I suppose others are so out of touch with reality that they would believe the video was created by a Democrat or liberal, but I find it hard to believe.

[Symmetry]

Sorry, I should be fair and answer your questions

I didn't find it tasteless.

I'm not sure what you mean with the second question.

Not really- it accused the Republican right of using the group as a front to hurl racism allegations, and to protect themselves from racist accusations.

I did not know that the video was a reply to Blumenthal's editorial. Can you provide a source?

The video was not a direct reply to Blumenthal's editorial. The video could be used as a response to Blumenthal's editorial.

The key issue (not with this thread, with the political dialogue generally) is that some Democrats believe that African Americans cannot be Republicans and that Republicans are racist, by and large (there are some rather funny videos of this in action on reasontv and from The Daily Show). These are certainly not true, obviously. On the other side, some Republicans attempt to distance themselves from the conclusions some Democrats have wrongfully made by creating a group of black Republicans (one of the group, Blumenthal accurately and with malice-aforethought points out is white) to contradict the Democrats on this point.

From my perspective, unless a Democrat or Republican actually says or does something that is actually racist (e.g. Ron Paul's newsletters or the president's campaign calling Hillary Clinton's campaign racist in 2008), I prefer to look at how the candidates will deal with certain issues. I don't think this is too much to ask. Others think it should be a major talking point in elections. These tend to be the same people who focus on whether Romney released his tax returns or whether Obama was born in the United States.

EDIT - Also, feel free to indicate whether you believed the video was produced by a Democrat or liberal.

I checked the sources first, sorry- it's a habit. I don't always do it, but I like to know where something came from. Doc Brown isn't usually a reliable source, so I had less trust to start with.

Interesting. I find Doc Brown to be the most reliable source from the conservative side on this website. More reliable than me certainly.

Let's see if Lootifer thought this video was created by a liberal or Democrat. I didn't think so before I clicked it (because Doc Brown had posted it) and after I watched it (because it would be counterproductive and counterintuitive for a Democrat or liberal to make that video). I suppose others are so out of touch with reality that they would believe the video was created by a Democrat or liberal, but I find it hard to believe.

I'm kind of naturally curious about where this kind of stuff comes from. So I went to look at the video, clicked on the account name, saw that it was a project 21 piece, and looked up who they are.

Perhaps DB was unaware of what he was posting and I'm being unfair, but I'd like to hear where he got it from.

[Phatscotty]

I thought we were sposed to coexist together in harmony....

As soon as certain people stop demanding government legislate special rights for special people and when government stops going out of it's way to divide people by race and gender and class and sexual preference, then we will at least be able to start with a clean slate and have a chance to coexist together in harmony.

[Phatscotty]

The video Doc shared pinpointed exactly the mode of operation for many Liberals, mostly in the mainstream media.

How many times has Natty called people a racist just for criticizing Obama? How about Juan Bottom, Pimpdave, Symmetry, and Woodruff? ......exactly

This video exposes all the trolls, it exposes the double standard and how trolls use it, it exposes the truth. And the truth is, if we kick Obama out of office, all these divisive tactics will leave with him as he exits the White House, and America can focus on being the most tolerant place on earth and we can start feeling good about that instead of having our progress used against us in an evil and perverse manner.

[Symmetry]

The video Doc shared pinpointed exactly the mode of operation for many Liberals, mostly in the mainstream media.

How many times has Natty called people a racist just for criticizing Obama? How about Juan Bottom, Pimpdave, Symmetry, and Woodruff? ......exactly

This video exposes all the trolls

Or to paraphrase. "Juan Bottom, Symmetry, Woodruff... anyone... please reply? I just want a reply."

Well, a reply you have sweetie. Although as a hint, desperation only gets you a pity-reply on rare occasions.

[Phatscotty]

The video Doc shared pinpointed exactly the mode of operation for many Liberals, mostly in the mainstream media.

How many times has Natty called people a racist just for criticizing Obama? How about Juan Bottom, Pimpdave, Symmetry, and Woodruff? ......exactly

This video exposes all the trolls

Or to paraphrase. "Juan Bottom, Symmetry, Woodruff... anyone... please reply? I just want a reply."

Well, a reply you have sweetie. Although as a hint, desperation only gets you a pity-reply on rare occasions.

....and, maybe I just called out people by name who are guilty of abusing and diminishing the term "racist" over the last few years.....

[Symmetry]

The video Doc shared pinpointed exactly the mode of operation for many Liberals, mostly in the mainstream media.

How many times has Natty called people a racist just for criticizing Obama? How about Juan Bottom, Pimpdave, Symmetry, and Woodruff? ......exactly

This video exposes all the trolls

Or to paraphrase. "Juan Bottom, Symmetry, Woodruff... anyone... please reply? I just want a reply."

Well, a reply you have sweetie. Although as a hint, desperation only gets you a pity-reply on rare occasions.

....and, maybe I just called out people by name who are guilty of abusing and diminishing the term "racist" over the last few years.....

Calm down, sweet pea, you called out for help, and I'm looking out for you.

[Lootifer]

The video Doc shared pinpointed exactly the mode of operation for many Liberals, mostly in the mainstream media.

Could you please define what you mean by many and then provide any evidence for this assertion about "many" (as you define it) liberals and their evil manipulation of the imageof the pure and clean "right". Im genuinely interested to see what you have.

How many times has Natty called people a racist just for criticizing Obama? How about Juan Bottom, Pimpdave, Symmetry, and Woodruff? ......exactly

The burden of proof lies with you here. I cant recall Natty ever calling anyone racist because they oppose Obama; and Im sure I would have seen it seeing as Obama isnt exactly mr popular on these boards.

As to the others well feel free to point out on the dolly where the bad mean posters touched you (ie burden of proof is yours once again - though arguably some of those will be easier to find since JB tends to be pretty inflammatory and PD is a troll).

This video exposes all the trolls, it exposes the double standard and how trolls use it, it exposes the truth. And the truth is, if we kick Obama out of office, all these divisive tactics will leave with him as he exits the White House, and America can focus on being the most tolerant place on earth and we can start feeling good about that instead of having our progress used against us in an evil and perverse manner.

What do you mean it exposes the trolls? I have been the biggest objector to it (other than Sym, but lets ignore him, its better that way). So i am a troll who wants to protect Obama because I hate all white conservatives and think theyre racist? Even for you thats startlingly inaccurate.

Im hating on the video clip because its about as funny as a bad sienfeld episode (thanks to the other posters for the analogy) and is a poor attempt to build a genralisation about democrats for political reasons (which is ironic since the original premise behind the clip is to break down unrepresentative genralisations - something which at the fundamental level I completely agree with).

[thegreekdog]

Go to thedailyshow.com and watch the coverage of the Democratic Party National Convention. There is a segment where the reporters ask people at the DNC about tolerance and show how the people at the DNC aren't actually tolerant. I believe the words "racists" and "rednecks" are used frequently.

Now, that's only a small group of people and certainly the more intelligent Democrats would acknowledge that Republicans aren't racist just because they disagree with President Obama, but this video is absolutely not a response to a made-up issue.

[Woodruff]

Do you think this thread would have been different if folks were aware of who made it?

Honestly, I hate that argument. It's very Night Strike-ish.

[Woodruff]

Doc Brown isn't usually a reliable source, so I had less trust to start with.

Really? I find Doc_Brown to be an exceptionally reliable (in a "trustworthy" sort of way) source, as far as CC goes.

[Woodruff]

How many times has Natty called people a racist just for criticizing Obama? How about Juan Bottom, Pimpdave, Symmetry, and Woodruff? ......exactly

Woodruff? I'm curious Phatscotty...how many times has Woodruff called anyone a racist just for criticizing Obama? Is this just another example where I call you out on your bullshit and you pretend it never happened or will you actually pull your balls out of your purse for a change?

And the truth is, if we kick Obama out of office, all these divisive tactics will leave with him as he exits the White House, and America can focus on being the most tolerant place on earth and we can start feeling good about that instead of having our progress used against us in an evil and perverse manner.

You really are a funny motherfucker. I just wish the humor was intentional on your part.

[Woodruff]

The video Doc shared pinpointed exactly the mode of operation for many Liberals, mostly in the mainstream media.

How many times has Natty called people a racist just for criticizing Obama? How about Juan Bottom, Pimpdave, Symmetry, and Woodruff? ......exactly

This video exposes all the trolls

Or to paraphrase. "Juan Bottom, Symmetry, Woodruff... anyone... please reply? I just want a reply."

Well, a reply you have sweetie. Although as a hint, desperation only gets you a pity-reply on rare occasions.

....and, maybe I just called out people by name who are guilty of abusing and diminishing the term "racist" over the last few years.....

Of course, you won't back up your accusation, but that's not important...right?

[Lootifer]

Go to thedailyshow.com and watch the coverage of the Democratic Party National Convention. There is a segment where the reporters ask people at the DNC about tolerance and show how the people at the DNC aren't actually tolerant. I believe the words "racists" and "rednecks" are used frequently.

Yeh but apparently (according to PS et al) there are people at these conventions who also sport "once you go black youll never go back; vote obama" badges NOT as a joke (like actually think a cock joke is a valid rationale to support a presidential candidacy). So... well you know... end of the intelligence probability distribution and all that.

Now, that's only a small group of people and certainly the more intelligent Democrats would acknowledge that Republicans aren't racist just because they disagree with President Obama, but this video is absolutely not a response to a made-up issue.

No its not a made up issue; but on the flipside neither is a higher density of racist individuals on the republican side either*. To me aiming to create one unfair genrealisation in response to another unfair genralisation is like my mum always used to say about two wrongs and something about whites, wait i mean a right**.

* no I dont have any evidence to support this claim, id look for some but then realised its actually pointless since any evidence I do find from a simple google search is likely to be sourced from main stream US media and therefore will be about as neutral and informative as TPDS posts (sorry dave but it IS a good analogy). Therefore I am going to rationalise my point with a logical fallacy stating the same group of people who once upon a time were opposed to interracial marriage are likely to contain more racist individuals than the other side of the proverbial fence.

** poor attempt at humor, apologies.

[BigBallinStalin]

Go to thedailyshow.com and watch the coverage of the Democratic Party National Convention. There is a segment where the reporters ask people at the DNC about tolerance and show how the people at the DNC aren't actually tolerant. I believe the words "racists" and "rednecks" are used frequently.

Yeh but apparently (according to PS et al) there are people at these conventions who also sport "once you go black youll never go back; vote obama" badges NOT as a joke (like actually think a cock joke is a valid rationale to support a presidential candidacy). So... well you know... end of the intelligence probability distribution and all that.

Now, that's only a small group of people and certainly the more intelligent Democrats would acknowledge that Republicans aren't racist just because they disagree with President Obama, but this video is absolutely not a response to a made-up issue.

No its not a made up issue; but on the flipside neither is a higher density of racist individuals on the republican side either*. To me aiming to create one unfair genrealisation in response to another unfair genralisation is like my mum always used to say about two wrongs and something about whites, wait i mean a right**.

* no I dont have any evidence to support this claim, id look for some but then realised its actually pointless since any evidence I do find from a simple google search is likely to be sourced from main stream US media and therefore will be about as neutral and informative as TPDS posts (sorry dave but it IS a good analogy). Therefore I am going to rationalise my point with a logical fallacy stating the same group of people who once upon a time were opposed to interracial marriage are likely to contain more racist individuals than the other side of the proverbial fence.

** poor attempt at humor, apologies.

bam

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[Doc_Brown]

I'm kind of naturally curious about where this kind of stuff comes from. So I went to look at the video, clicked on the account name, saw that it was a project 21 piece, and looked up who they are.

Perhaps DB was unaware of what he was posting and I'm being unfair, but I'd like to hear where he got it from.

I don't recall exactly how I came across the video. It may have been a link from Facebook or from one of the political blogs I visit occasionally. Honestly, I was amused. No, it's not a ground-breaking piece of sarcastic art. I figured most of the regular posters here were fine with fun being poked in both directions and would appreciate it at some level. It really wouldn't bother me if a high ranking member of the KKK was the author of the video any more than it bothers film critics to award an Oscar to a rapist. To me, good sarcasm has a point to it, and much of the good sarcasm I've seen is political in nature. Is this particular video good? Not really. It's pretty mediocre. As others have stated, it's pretty blatant and overt. I would say that it has a valid point given how often conservatives are on the receiving end of the racist label, but I don't think it tried to portray all Obama supporters as believing that everyone in the opposition is racist, only that said accusation is far too common (which ultimately devalues the concept of racism, but that's a whole other discussion).