Was it right to repopulate Israel with Jews?

[Viceroy63]

Show us then who does not?

If they could!

[Gillipig]

Jewish folk have been living in the area for a long time. I'm not sure why you think that the area comprising modern day Israel was somehow devoid of Judaism for 18 centuries, but I will be the guy who calls BS on your farce.

It's called the jewish diaspora.Why did you think they had to import millions of Jews to Israel in the first place? Do they even teach history in the US anymore?

[Gillipig]

At least you gave them the dignity of a capital letter. Gillipig's thread title should be a huge warning sign that he's really quite nasty.

Perhaps Swedish has different capitalization rules for nationalities than English? (If) that's the case would you think jumping on Gillpig because he might have made a tiny grammar error in his second language is a little intolerant?

Lol, that is actually the case, we don't use capital letters for races, unless it's in the beginning of a sentence of course. So yes, it was a grammar error. This is just what I was talking about with Symmetry and his agenda a while ago. He sees what he wants to see.

[Viceroy63]

Jewish folk have been living in the area for a long time. I'm not sure why you think that the area comprising modern day Israel was somehow devoid of Judaism for 18 centuries, but I will be the guy who calls BS on your farce.

It's called the jewish diaspora.Why did you think they had to import millions of Jews to Israel in the first place? Do they even teach history in the US anymore?

Yes they still do teach History. The Indians were the bad guys who went around scalping all the innocent settlers that they found and the Cowboys were the good guys who went after the Indians. It's true because the Cowboys won and the Indians lost in the end. LOL.


But seriously; history is written by the victor and even though the Jewish people were scattered to the four winds just like the Israelites were, eventually, there had to be some Jewish and most likely even Israelite people in what is today known as Israel.

Josephus recorded that the Israelite people wanted to return to Jerusalem but at the time of the Roman Empire stayed beyond the Euphrates. That does not mean that they did not at some point in time, especially as Rome was in Decline, that the Israelite People did not join with their Jewish brethren at Jerusalem and have been in the area all these centuries.

In fact, I would say that even though Josephus stated that the body of Israel stay "beyond the Euphrates" that some of the Israelite People did actually come to settle in the region of what is today known as Israel and have been there ever since. Not the main body of Israel but just a few settlers (families), just enough not to be noticed as some great migration of people. Also among that "Jewish Diaspora" as well.

[Gillipig]

Jewish folk have been living in the area for a long time. I'm not sure why you think that the area comprising modern day Israel was somehow devoid of Judaism for 18 centuries, but I will be the guy who calls BS on your farce.

It's called the jewish diaspora.Why did you think they had to import millions of Jews to Israel in the first place? Do they even teach history in the US anymore?

Yes they still do teach History. The Indians were the bad guys who went around scalping all the innocent settlers that they found and the Cowboys were the good guys who went after the Indians. It's true because the Cowboys won and the Indians lost in the end. LOL.


But seriously; history is written by the victor and even though the Jewish people were scattered to the four winds just like the Israelites were, eventually, there had to be some Jewish and most likely even Israelite people in what is today known as Israel.

Josephus recorded that the Israelite people wanted to return to Jerusalem but at the time of the Roman Empire stayed beyond the Euphrates. That does not mean that they did not at some point in time, especially as Rome was in Decline, that the Israelite People did not join with their Jewish brethren at Jerusalem and have been in the area all these centuries.

In fact, I would say that even though Josephus stated that the body of Israel stay "beyond the Euphrates" that some of the Israelite People did actually come to settle in the region of what is today known as Israel and have been there ever since. Not the main body of Israel but just a few settlers (families), just enough not to be noticed as some great migration of people. Also among that "Jewish Diaspora" as well.

Jews were forbidden by law to enter the area so not much chance for a large percentage staying, much less practicing their customs and religion. Which very much define who even is a Jew.
You're right that the victors write the history, just look at the atomic bombs over Japan that the USA dropped, it's so clearly a horrendous act, not focusing on military targets but completely annihilating cities full of people. But the history books speak of things like "neccesary to end the war". I bet that's what it would call the holocaust if the Germans would've won, neccesary to win the war? as if a cause ever justified horrendous means.

What I really hate though is flat out history denial, like saying the US won the vietnam war, that's like saying the nazis won WWII lol.

[saxitoxin]

Jewish folk have been living in the area for a long time. I'm not sure why you think that the area comprising modern day Israel was somehow devoid of Judaism for 18 centuries, but I will be the guy who calls BS on your farce.

It's called the jewish diaspora.Why did you think they had to import millions of Jews to Israel in the first place? Do they even teach history in the US anymore?

Yes they still do teach History. The Indians were the bad guys who went around scalping all the innocent settlers that they found and the Cowboys were the good guys who went after the Indians. It's true because the Cowboys won and the Indians lost in the end. LOL.


But seriously; history is written by the victor and even though the Jewish people were scattered to the four winds just like the Israelites were, eventually, there had to be some Jewish and most likely even Israelite people in what is today known as Israel.

Josephus recorded that the Israelite people wanted to return to Jerusalem but at the time of the Roman Empire stayed beyond the Euphrates. That does not mean that they did not at some point in time, especially as Rome was in Decline, that the Israelite People did not join with their Jewish brethren at Jerusalem and have been in the area all these centuries.

In fact, I would say that even though Josephus stated that the body of Israel stay "beyond the Euphrates" that some of the Israelite People did actually come to settle in the region of what is today known as Israel and have been there ever since. Not the main body of Israel but just a few settlers (families), just enough not to be noticed as some great migration of people. Also among that "Jewish Diaspora" as well.

Did this Josephus character issue land deeds? Because most Palestinians actually have original paper deeds to their homes that were seized.

When two sides go to court in a property dispute, and one side shows up with a registered and notarized deed and the other side shows up with a copy of the King James Bible, guess which side is going to win?

That's probably why Israel refuses to submit the matter to arbitration. If Israel were a blonde from Staten Island and the PLO was a sketchy looking guido, here's how the court case would go -

[jimboston]

The Torah and Talmud are as relevant to law as an episode of Star Trek.

I like this quote.

[Symmetry]

They are kind of books of law.

[GreecePwns]

In what jurisdiction, exactly?

They're moral codes drawn up by a religion, just like the various laws in the Bible or Islam's Hadith. Fortunately, no international legal system is modeled after any of these books.

[2dimes]

Can the PLO get Israel to go on Judge Judy?

[Symmetry]

In what jurisdiction, exactly?

They're moral codes drawn up by a religion, just like the various laws in the Bible or Islam's Hadith. Fortunately, no international legal system is modeled after any of these books.

The Torah is essentially the same as the first five books of the Christian Bible dude, and it's been used in jurisprudence for about as long as it's existed,

[Viceroy63]

In what jurisdiction, exactly?

They're moral codes drawn up by a religion, just like the various laws in the Bible or Islam's Hadith. Fortunately, no international legal system is modeled after any of these books.

Perhaps, that's why we have international wars? To settle out our disputes? The strongest military might wins and gets the rights and the spoils. It's always been like that.

But how does this relate to the topic of is it right to repopulate Israel with Jews?

Is it the fault of the children of Israel, that the world hates them so much? For what ever the reasons?

Is it the fault of the children of Israel that they are always being enslaved and killed by every nation and people that happens to pass through that region? The Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians (towards the end), Greeks, Romans, Nazi Germany and now Arab States?

Man, no wonder they are so dispersed throughout the world. If everyone hated my family like they do the Jews I think I would send my children to different parts of the world also. My wife would have to find another husband. And the Dog too is going to have to eat out of the alley trash cans. "Sorry Rover, But this way if they find me they don't get you also. Good luck boy."

Should we just say forget the Jews, let's just nuke em all? If everyone hates them so much then maybe they should be destroyed as a people and a race? Maybe Hitler was right in his "Final Solution?" Maybe Killing all the Jews is what we should all be doing and not give them a nation and guns and tanks and the means to defend themselves and fight or even make wars like any other "civilized" nation does?

Why do we want to believe that Israel is the only bad guy? Because of atrocities that they commit. Have we forgotten about Saddam Hussein and how he killed babies in incubators when he invaded Kuwait? Or any of the other nations in the world and the things that they have done that were deemed not right and cruel at the time? Especially those oriental countries which are especially brutal?

Maybe Israel has to be brutal to survive? Maybe they have to say forget international laws, rights and treaties, if we don't make an example of this and every nation that comes our way then we might just as well surrender to them and be their slaves and let them continue to hate us anyway and kill us off and disperse us to the four corners of the earth until we forget eventually who we are?

Israel was giving a gun and plenty of bullets because they asked the US. for help and the US. complied. What ever was negotiated, Israel was giving the means to do what they can as any nation would in their situation. And they are doing just that. What any other nation in their situation would do.

[Symmetry]

In what jurisdiction, exactly?

They're moral codes drawn up by a religion, just like the various laws in the Bible or Islam's Hadith. Fortunately, no international legal system is modeled after any of these books.

Perhaps, that's why we have international wars? To settle out our disputes? The strongest military might wins and gets the rights and the spoils. It's always been like that.

But how does this relate to the topic of is it right to repopulate Israel with Jews?

Is it the fault of the children of Israel, that the world hates them so much? For what ever the reasons?

Is it the fault of the children of Israel that they are always being enslaved and killed by every nation and people that happens to pass through that region? The Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians (towards the end), Greeks, Romans, Nazi Germany and now Arab States?

Man, no wonder they are so dispersed throughout the world. If everyone hated my family like they do the Jews I think I would send my children to different parts of the world also. My wife would have to find another husband. And the Dog too is going to have to eat out of the alley trash cans. "Sorry Rover, But this way if they find me they don't get you also. Good luck boy."

Should we just say forget the Jews, let's just nuke em all? If everyone hates them so much then maybe they should be destroyed as a people and a race? Maybe Hitler was right in his "Final Solution?" Maybe Killing all the Jews is what we should all be doing and not give them a nation and guns and tanks and the means to defend themselves and fight or even make wars like any other "civilized" nation does?

Why do we want to believe that Israel is the only bad guy? Because of atrocities that they commit. Have we forgotten about Saddam Hussein and how he killed babies in incubators when he invaded Kuwait? Or any of the other nations in the world and the things that they have done that were deemed not right and cruel at the time? Especially those oriental countries which are especially brutal?

Maybe Israel has to be brutal to survive? Maybe they have to say forget international laws, rights and treaties, if we don't make an example of this and every nation that comes our way then we might just as well surrender to them and be their slaves and let them continue to hate us anyway and kill us off and disperse us to the four corners of the earth until we forget eventually who we are?

Israel was giving a gun and plenty of bullets because they asked the US. for help and the US. complied. What ever was negotiated, Israel was giving the means to do what they can as any nation would in their situation. And they are doing just that. What any other nation in their situation would do.

That's a set of arguments that, for the most part, works for the Palestinian side too.

[saxitoxin]

The Torah is essentially the same as the first five books of the Christian Bible dude, and it's been used in jurisprudence for about as long as it's existed,

I'm going with GreecePWNs on this one. Aside from the 10 Commandments, how much of our modern legal code are based on the Mizvot? I don't know, but if I were guessing I would bet it's maybe 1% (if that).

Have we forgotten about Saddam Hussein and how he killed babies in incubators when he invaded Kuwait?

Hopefully, because that never happened; the story has been thoroughly discredited. It was a hoax dreamed up by the public relations firm of Hill & Knowlton to dupe Americans like you into getting riled up for a war the U.S. government had been ordered by Israel to wage to kneecap one of their regional adversaries.

Americans bleed for Israeli greed.

http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_a_Free_Kuwait

Maybe Israel has to be brutal to survive?

The U.S. Navy sailors of the USS Liberty can verify the accuracy of this statement from first-hand experience (well, the ones who weren't machine-gunned in life rafts in the water by laughing Israelis, anyway).

In this clip, Rabbi Samson calls for all Jews in Israel to be made loyal citizens to the government of the Palestinian National Authority and for Israel to be totally abolished -

[Symmetry]

What do you mean by "our" legal code, Saxi?

[Metsfanmax]

I am amazed that Godwin's law was not vindicated on the first page of this thread.

[Maugena]

[Viceroy63]

I don't understand this at all? This is just pure 100% spam. There isn't even a message with this advertisement. At least write something about the topic or make a joke or something at least.

[2dimes]

I think Zionist might be messing with YouTube. I can't get sound on the Judge Judy clip.

I don't understand this at all? This is just pure 100% spam. There isn't even a message with this advertisement. At least write something about the topic or make a joke or something at least.

It's an animated short where someone takes the area by force just to have someone else come and kill them. Kind of like those women that want to marry the guy who's cheating on his wife with them so they can be the next one cheated on. Solid plan there.

Best idea is to leave Gaza before a better army shows up and takes them both out.

[Viceroy63]

I think Zionist might be messing with YouTube. I can't get sound on the Judge Judy clip.

I don't understand this at all? This is just pure 100% spam. There isn't even a message with this advertisement. At least write something about the topic or make a joke or something at least.

It's an animated short where someone takes the area by force just to have someone else come and kill them. Kind of like those women that want to marry the guy who's cheating on his wife with them so they can be the next one cheated on. Solid plan there.

Best idea is to leave Gaza before a better army shows up and takes them both out.

That's not what I see. I see an add for Google, work at home, making thousands of dollars per day jerking off in front of your PC. And there's that pretty hot looking lady saying, "I make hundreds of dollars an hour on Google."

Yeah right? I'd make hundreds of dollars an hour also with a body like that. LOL.

Perhaps I am missing the plug in that allows me to see what you see? LOL.


But you know what? That's the very same strategy that I use in my games. I let Israel pounce on Gaza and then I jump in and take it all. LOL.

[jay_a2j]

It was after all 1800 years since they last lived there. Then all of a sudden they shall move back, nevermind the people who's lived there for the last 1800 years, just push them out of their homes and bomb the shit out of them.
I think I've made my own opinion on the matter clear

Was it right to populate the US with Europeans? STOP the hypocrisy! The Jews are the rightful heirs to the land of Israel!!! Keep your antisemitism on the DL.

[saxitoxin]

It was after all 1800 years since they last lived there. Then all of a sudden they shall move back, nevermind the people who's lived there for the last 1800 years, just push them out of their homes and bomb the shit out of them.
I think I've made my own opinion on the matter clear

Was it right to populate the US with Europeans? STOP the hypocrisy! The Jews are the rightful heirs to the land of Israel!!! Keep your antisemitism on the DL.

Your "Location" says you're in the "center of the Revolution." Is "center" the right word or "sidelines?"

In this clip, Ron Paul tells Iranian TV that Israel is perpetrating "an atrocious massacre" on the Palestinians and calls Gaza "a concentration camp." Is Ron Paul an Anti-Semite, too?

[Symmetry]

"Centre" is the right word. "Center" is a crass Americanism.

[Dukasaur]

I am amazed that Godwin's law was not vindicated on the first page of this thread.

I almost fell victim to it, but I was wise enough to hit the little black X in the top-right corner and step away from the computer just in time.

[Dukasaur]

"Centre" is the right word. "Center" is a crass Americanism.

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