Scouts welcome the gays

[Woodruff]

does somebody need a lesson in human biology?

Does human biology say that heterosexual men won't molest boys?

pretty much, yeah.

Looks like the someone that needs a lesson in human biology isn't the someone that you seemed to believe it was.

[Woodruff]

does somebody need a lesson in human biology?

Does human biology say that heterosexual men won't molest boys?

pretty much, yeah.

I think he was trying to say, sarcastically, that we all know gay adult men are not attracted to teenage boys.

Actually, what I was sarcastically saying to the non-morons in the thread (which apparently doesn't include john9blue or yourself) is that heterosexuality and homosexuality in and of themselves have nothing at all to do with pedophilia.

[Woodruff]

also and interesting piece I wanted to share, and if this turns into an effort to remove God from the scouts

So in your world, Christians can't be gay?

I gotta be honest with y'all. I don't really see how this changes much of anything. I mean, does anyone really believe that there were no gay boys in Boy Scouts before this resolution passed?

And I tend to think that as long as the Boy Scouts have and maintain strict rules about conduct, then this is a non-issue.

It was only an issue because the Boy Scouts MADE it an issue. If they had simply been in favor of equality, it would have been, as you say, a non-issue.

Sexual discourse, regardless of which way it leans, has no place in scouting. Enforce that rule, and the orientation of the kids taking part in scouts is moot.
Just let 'em be scouts, for crying out loud. Scouting is good for kids.

Absolutely.

What I DO NOT want to see, as a result of this change, is a change to the time-honored values that teach young boys about being good, responsible people.

Are you suggesting that homosexual boys cannot be good, responsible people? I don't honestly think that's what you intended, but I can't see a reason why you would make this statement otherwise, so I'm hoping you can point out why that's not accurate.

The BSA shouldn't compromise on any of that. Some people worry that the part of the BSA which is about morality and character will fall by the wayside in favor of the badge-collecting activities like navigating and map-reading, knot-tying, etc. But the BSA has no obligation to change its structure or its teachings. If gay boys don't like it, they can opt out, just as straight boys can.

Absolutely.

[Woodruff]

show an exposed breast during the Superbowl,the country goes insane.depict torture,murder, cannibalism.no one cares.

Uh...what does that have to do with the Boy Scouts?

[Funkyterrance]

What if being in the scouts causes you to become gay, then what?

[BigBallinStalin]

What if being in the scouts causes you to become gay, then what?

We'll have to shut down the Boy Scouts--and any organization with the name "scouts" or "scout" in it. This will ensure an end to the spreading of gay.

[Woodruff]

What if being in the scouts causes you to become gay, then what?

Just look at the shorts. If that don't do it...

[ooge]

show an exposed breast during the Superbowl,the country goes insane.depict torture,murder, cannibalism.no one cares.

Uh...what does that have to do with the Boy Scouts?

The first post in the thread the writer suggested that the US has problem with sex and perhaps that was the reason the USA scouts had not allowed gays to be in the scouts,I was sighting examples were he may be right.along with pointing out the US does not seem to have a problem with violence.

[Phatscotty]

show an exposed breast during the Superbowl,the country goes insane.depict torture,murder, cannibalism.no one cares.

Uh...what does that have to do with the Boy Scouts?

The first post in the thread the writer suggested that the US has problem with sex and perhaps that was the reason the USA scouts had not allowed gays to be in the scouts,I was sighting examples were he may be right.along with pointing out the US does not seem to have a problem with violence.

We have a problem with both. Human beings have a problem with both.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

[john9blue]

man this thread is terrible

i mean aside from woody's tenuous grasp of human physiology

we've got one of those guys who thinks that any organization he disagrees with should be controlled by the government

and who thinks that anyone opposing this government takeover must agree with everything the organization stands for

it is a mental disorder, there is no other explanation. anyone who is sane and who believes these things shouldn't be intelligent enough to form complete sentences. there is a fundamental disconnect from reality here.

[ooge]

show an exposed breast during the Superbowl,the country goes insane.depict torture,murder, cannibalism.no one cares.

Uh...what does that have to do with the Boy Scouts?

The first post in the thread the writer suggested that the US has problem with sex and perhaps that was the reason the USA scouts had not allowed gays to be in the scouts,I was sighting examples were he may be right.along with pointing out the US does not seem to have a problem with violence.

We have a problem with both. Human beings have a problem with both.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

do They have a problem with both? failure to respond in any meaningful way to mass killings leads someone to believe we do not.

[Phatscotty]

show an exposed breast during the Superbowl,the country goes insane.depict torture,murder, cannibalism.no one cares.

Uh...what does that have to do with the Boy Scouts?

The first post in the thread the writer suggested that the US has problem with sex and perhaps that was the reason the USA scouts had not allowed gays to be in the scouts,I was sighting examples were he may be right.along with pointing out the US does not seem to have a problem with violence.

We have a problem with both. Human beings have a problem with both.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

do They have a problem with both? failure to respond in any meaningful way to mass killings leads someone to believe we do not.

I don't think it's a failure to respond in a meaningful way as as much as it is an extremely loud minority who says that the only possibly meaningless way is their way, and everyone who disagrees is crazy wing nut. Those are the last people anyone should even give their guns to, and the ones people need protection from the most.

Gun violence is not the only kind of harm society knows.

[ooge]

If the scouts are privatly owned discriminate all you want. I have no problem with discrimination personally. People will find or create new groups to join. How bout them apples? Bet Im called hatefull for that.

how very Ron/Rand Paul of you.

Oogey, can gay people form their own organizations, groups, and clubs? Can straight people form their own organization, groups, or clubs?

Why or why not?

yes,but as you are aware the scouts enjoy a congressional charter allowing them to be a monopoly,they also receive indirect tax payer funding,although the scouts came to the decision on their own to allow gay scouts to join. The scouts fall under congressional oversight,but the congress has chosen not to use it.Phatman do you support the the private rights of NAMBLA and polygamists compounds rights from government intervention?They are private groups after all.what would Ron/"Ayn"Rand paul say?

TO avoid confusion. Federally chartered corporation [

The BSA holds a Congressional charter under Title 36 of the United States Code,[19] which means that it is one of the comparatively rare "Title 36" corporations in the United States.[20] The 1916 statute of incorporation established this institution amongst a small number of other patriotic and national organizations which are similarly chartered,[21] such as the Girl Scouts of the USA, the American Legion, the Red Cross, Major League Baseball, and the National Academy of Sciences. The federal incorporation was originally construed primarily as an honor, however it does grant the chartered organization some special privileges and rights, including freedom from antitrust and monopoly regulation, and complete control over the organization's symbols and insignia. As example, outside of the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, no other youth organizations may use the term "scouts" or "scouting" in their name. The special recognition neither implies nor accords Congress any special control over the BSA, which remains free to function independently.[22]

Paul Sleman, Colin H. Livingstone, Ernest S. Martin and James E. West successfully lobbied Congress for a federal charter for the BSA–partly as a way to deal with competition from the Lone Scouts of America,[23]

[Phatscotty]

If the scouts are privatly owned discriminate all you want. I have no problem with discrimination personally. People will find or create new groups to join. How bout them apples? Bet Im called hatefull for that.

how very Ron/Rand Paul of you.

Oogey, can gay people form their own organizations, groups, and clubs? Can straight people form their own organization, groups, or clubs?

Why or why not?

yes,but as you are aware the scouts enjoy a congressional charter allowing them to be a monopoly,they also receive indirect tax payer funding,although the scouts came to the decision on their own to allow gay scouts to join. The scouts fall under congressional oversight,but the congress has chosen not to use it.Phatman do you support the the private rights of NAMBLA and polygamists compounds rights from government intervention?They are private groups after all.what would Ron/"Ayn"Rand paul say?

I am still waiting for a response to this phatman.

I still request further information to understand the question correctly. Again, what are the private rights of Nambla members? And yes I did answer the other half of the question.

[ooge]

If the scouts are privatly owned discriminate all you want. I have no problem with discrimination personally. People will find or create new groups to join. How bout them apples? Bet Im called hatefull for that.

how very Ron/Rand Paul of you.

Oogey, can gay people form their own organizations, groups, and clubs? Can straight people form their own organization, groups, or clubs?

Why or why not?

yes,but as you are aware the scouts enjoy a congressional charter allowing them to be a monopoly,they also receive indirect tax payer funding,although the scouts came to the decision on their own to allow gay scouts to join. The scouts fall under congressional oversight,but the congress has chosen not to use it.Phatman do you support the the private rights of NAMBLA and polygamists compounds rights from government intervention?They are private groups after all.what would Ron/"Ayn"Rand paul say?

I am still waiting for a response to this phatman.

I still request further information to understand the question correctly. Again, what are the private rights of Nambla members? And yes I did answer the other half of the question.

private rights of members I do not know.but you asked can gay people form their own organizations, groups, and clubs? can straight people form their own organizations, groups, and clubs?.so do you support NAMBLA rights as a group or do you think there should be some government over-site on this group?

[john9blue]

what other special rights are given to scouting by the government? i understand they have a monopoly on the term "scouting", but what financial benefit do they receive (if any) from this charter? you still haven't made that clear.

[ooge]

show an exposed breast during the Superbowl,the country goes insane.depict torture,murder, cannibalism.no one cares.

Uh...what does that have to do with the Boy Scouts?

The first post in the thread the writer suggested that the US has problem with sex and perhaps that was the reason the USA scouts had not allowed gays to be in the scouts,I was sighting examples were he may be right.along with pointing out the US does not seem to have a problem with violence.

We have a problem with both. Human beings have a problem with both.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

do They have a problem with both? failure to respond in any meaningful way to mass killings leads someone to believe we do not.

I don't think it's a failure to respond in a meaningful way as as much as it is an extremely loud minority who says that the only possibly meaningless way is their way, and everyone who disagrees is crazy wing nut. Those are the last people anyone should even give their guns to, and the ones people need protection from the most.

Gun violence is not the only kind of harm society knows.

this has reached the point were it belongs in another thread. loud minority huh? your sticking with that story I see.

[Woodruff]

I don't think it's a failure to respond in a meaningful way as as much as it is an extremely loud minority who says that the only possibly meaningless way is their way, and everyone who disagrees is crazy wing nut. Those are the last people anyone should even give their guns to, and the ones people need protection from the most.

Irony has never been your strong suit.

Gun violence is not the only kind of harm society knows.

Brilliant!

[Woodruff]

The BSA holds a Congressional charter under Title 36 of the United States Code,[19] which means that it is one of the comparatively rare "Title 36" corporations in the United States.[20] The 1916 statute of incorporation established this institution amongst a small number of other patriotic and national organizations which are similarly chartered,[21] such as the Girl Scouts of the USA, the American Legion, the Red Cross, Major League Baseball, and the National Academy of Sciences.

Wait, wait, wait...what? Major League Baseball? <sigh>

What, Congress wanted to make sure they supported a sport that moved as slowly as they do?

[john9blue]

^ that might be the first time you intentionally made me laugh out loud, woody

[The Voice]

I'm not gay myself, but I know a lot of gay people that I'd really like to hang around with for quite some time. I find it ridiculous that the USA decided to let gays in the scouts community just this week. It was discrimination in its highest form.

People like you make me laugh. You know a few gay people, so you're automatically in tune with the thoughts, desires, wishes of the entire gay community and can therefore sit on your high horse. You also make damn sure to clarify that you're not, heaven forbid, gay. We get it. In fact, most of your type's effort seems dead set on making that clarification, whereas people who truly are advocates of the gay community wouldn't give a f*** what people thought of their orientation.

For what it's worth, the inclusion of the gay community is a smart move for any organization, even if strictly from a PR standpoint, but also, I agree that it's the right thing to do in my opinion. Oh, and I could be gay, or I could be straight, or I could be bi.

[Woodruff]

I'm not gay myself, but I know a lot of gay people that I'd really like to hang around with for quite some time. I find it ridiculous that the USA decided to let gays in the scouts community just this week. It was discrimination in its highest form.

People like you make me laugh. You know a few gay people, so you're automatically in tune with the thoughts, desires, wishes of the entire gay community and can therefore sit on your high horse. You also make damn sure to clarify that you're not, heaven forbid, gay. We get it. In fact, most of your type's effort seems dead set on making that clarification, whereas people who truly are advocates of the gay community wouldn't give a f*** what people thought of their orientation.

I'm going to go ahead and say that you've greatly misunderstood JBlombier. I say that having dealt with him over a number of years, and recognizing that you probably have not.

[Gillipig]

If I had a kid who was in the scouts and I found out that one of the leaders was homosexual, I'd pull my kid out of there in a heartbeat. I don't care if someone innocent feels slighted. Too many gay pedos out there for me to take the risk.

[Haggis_McMutton]

If I had a kid who was in the scouts and I found out that one of the leaders was homosexual, I'd pull my kid out of there in a heartbeat. I don't care if someone innocent feels slighted. Too many gay pedos out there for me to take the risk.

Is this bad trolling or a parody of bad trolling ?

As with any great form of art the final decision is left with the viewer.

[BigBallinStalin]

If I had a kid who was in the scouts and I found out that one of the leaders was homosexual, I'd pull my kid out of there in a heartbeat. I don't care if someone innocent feels slighted. Too many gay pedos out there for me to take the risk.

Is this bad trolling or a parody of bad trolling ?

As with any great form of art the final decision is left with the viewer.

But what if someone can't decide? We should designate some Official Decider for these matters.