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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby chang50 on Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:33 am

hahaha3hahaha wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
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jonesthecurl wrote:Utterly. Please define what a god is and how we would recognize one.

This is a baiting question, and I won't buy into it.
If you truly do not understand who God is, or what He is, why have you been arguing Christianity with me all day across three threads?


I think you'll find I've mainly been trying to get you to say why you believe you're an authority on what Christianity is. Unsuccessfully.


When did I claim to be an authority? Quote me please.
The only authority on who is truly, and what constitutes, a Christian, is God.
I can only assume you are referring to me stating that it is nigh impossible for someone to be a Christian if they denounce creation and accept evolution in it's place. It's hard for someone to be a Christian if they deny the teachings of Christ which conflict with evolutionism on a large scale.



But there is very little consensus amongst Christians as to the detail of what those teachings mean.There are Catholics,Copts,various Orthodox churches,dozens of Protestant denominations,and countless fringe sects.And they ALL imagine they are correct,why should we believe you more than any of them?
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:41 am

I thought this was a joke thread. :(
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:22 am

hahaha3hahaha wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
hahaha3hahaha wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:Utterly. Please define what a god is and how we would recognize one.

This is a baiting question, and I won't buy into it.
If you truly do not understand who God is, or what He is, why have you been arguing Christianity with me all day across three threads?


I think you'll find I've mainly been trying to get you to say why you believe you're an authority on what Christianity is. Unsuccessfully.


When did I claim to be an authority? Quote me please.
The only authority on who is truly, and what constitutes, a Christian, is God.
I can only assume you are referring to me stating that it is nigh impossible for someone to be a Christian if they denounce creation and accept evolution in it's place. It's hard for someone to be a Christian if they deny the teachings of Christ which conflict with evolutionism on a large scale.


Millions of people who claim to be christians believe, for instance, in evolution. Most people who profess to be christians do.
You however claim to have God as your authority. Oddly enough those millions work from the same text and disagree with you.
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Re: Why are atheists so sad?

Postby AAFitz on Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:28 am

Phatscotty wrote:
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Phatscotty wrote:I have my own theory on this, and I actually think about it a lot. Religiously, college was a confusing time and my World Religion class certainly put a lot of ideas in my head. After all, I was studying religion right? Well, I came out an Atheist, probably like a lot of other students who listened to the anti-God ranting 55 minutes everyday Monday-Friday for 4 months. Can't say for sure the anti-God ranting everyday had an influence on me as I took notes on it and memorized it and got tested on it, but hey, it might be possible.

Anyways, I thought I was Atheist for a few years. I argued all the basic talking points with family and friends, not understanding them, but the arguements just sounded good and seemed to make sense (to a highly inexperienced person in their early 20's). Then, one day I realized it was just as silly to try to prove God does not exist as it is to prove God does exist, so I stopped pretending like I had it figured out at 22 years old.

As for the question, even people I respect tremendously and can explain with reason and conviction why God does not exist, I have noted they are, without exception (in my experience), pretty miserable with no hope for anything and don't participate in anything, barely even family functions or friendly events, and they usually never have children.

My theory is that human beings do have souls, and it needs to be filled with something. Atheists at first have that emptiness of the soul and they quickly fill it with something else, usually something secular, anti-religion, or Liberal. And that's why they can never stfu at Christmas dinner about how Jesus never existed and have to start yelling and call people stupid.


Youre the sad one in this case I think. :roll: If you need to believe in a higher power to realize how amazing the world is, there is absolutely nothing more sad.


You assume way too much. And I am an extremely happy person!


:D see?


And you assume I meant sad having anything to do with whether you were happy or not. :lol:


haha. Either way, your assumptions are totally incorrect, so the laughs and eyerolls don't count.


Youre the one assuming there is a creator of the entire universe with no evidence except one of many poorly written books thousands of years old....but hey, if thats what you need to be happy, then good on you, but this thread is based on the assumption, which you fully join in on, that atheists are sad....

So by all means keep pointing out silly assumptions, because laughing at your continued hypocricy makes me very happy.

You're the one making all the assumptions, not me. Im just pointing out how sad yours are.

In any case, I am hardly an atheist. Pretending to know if there is a God, or isnt with the information we have is just ignorant, bordering on stupid. All I can definitively say is that either is possible, and one seems more likely than the other, from a certain point of view.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:36 am

thegreekdog wrote:I thought this was a joke thread. :(


TGD, just because it isn't right now, doesn't mean we can't make it so with a little elbow grease.

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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby Baron Von PWN on Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:57 am

As a happy atheist, I find this thread amusing.

I say atheist even though I admit it is impossible to prove one way or the other so maybe there is one. I just don't find any of the arguments in favor all that convincing, makes more sense to me that there is/are no god(s).
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:00 am

Very disappointing pwn. I raced in hoping you answered the question.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:26 am

Are the atheists and agnostics so sad because there's too many theists?
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:37 am

can i raise my hand if i am happy but not an atheist?

*raises hand*

Also, any thread on unhappy atheists that doesn`t have Dostojefski quotes isn`t trying hard enough.
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Postby Baron Von PWN on Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:02 pm

2dimes wrote:Very disappointing pwn. I raced in hoping you answered the question.



Sorry. They are sad because of threads like this.
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:57 pm

Notbad.gif at least you're posting so I like that direction.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby Quirk on Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:22 pm

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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby notyou2 on Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:54 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Is it atheists who believe that this life is but a vale of tears?


Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the next life will be better.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby Lootifer on Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:06 am

I'm confused,why does disbelief require faith?It's not as if atheism requires an alternative explanation..


jonesthecurl wrote:Utterly. Please define what a god is and how we would recognize one.


I'm not avoiding being labelled an athiest because I believe god exists. Atheism is defined as having certainty that god does not exist (as opposed to agnostic - agnostics have no certainty). I am fairly certain that popular religions are full of poop, but I can't, hand-on-heart, say that it wasnt some god entity that kicked off the big bang or similar, mostly because I cant know either way.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:53 am

Fair enough.
If tomorrow it was discovered that there IS an action which does not have an equal and opposite reaction, then science would have to take that into account. It would actually be pretty neat, cos then we could get a reactionless drive, which I'd like to see. I think it'sd unlikely.
It's possible something might make me think "oo, there MUST be some sort of god(s)", but I think that's less likely.
It's possible that the entire purpose of the universe from day one was to produce the nail clippings from my left big toe.
I see no reason to posit gods. If I ever do, I'll change my mind. But Occam seems to me to be on my side.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby Lootifer on Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:55 am

Yeah i like both Occam and big toes.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:05 am

Occam's Razor is good for bunions too,
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby chang50 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:16 am

Lootifer wrote:
I'm confused,why does disbelief require faith?It's not as if atheism requires an alternative explanation..


jonesthecurl wrote:Utterly. Please define what a god is and how we would recognize one.


I'm not avoiding being labelled an athiest because I believe god exists. Atheism is defined as having certainty that god does not exist (as opposed to agnostic - agnostics have no certainty). I am fairly certain that popular religions are full of poop, but I can't, hand-on-heart, say that it wasnt some god entity that kicked off the big bang or similar, mostly because I cant know either way.


Sorry m8 but you're definitions are just plain wrong,atheism is lack of belief in the existence of gods,not certainty which is only a subset of atheism called gnostic atheism.As an agnostic atheist I share your antipathy for such certainty,holding to disbelief but no certain knowledge.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby mrswdk on Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:02 am

ITT: atheists patronize religious people, religious people patronize atheists.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby clangfield on Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:29 am

To answer the question in the title: they're not. Not all, anyway.
As far as the religious are concerned, ignorance is bliss.
Remember that the "infallible" Catholic church castigated those who professed that the Earth was not the centre of the universe. Anyone still believe that?
I have no explanation for the universe; but then I don't know who invented the decimal number system, solid state wireless electronics, or the app. But I'm quite happy to use a phone without knowing.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby / on Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:25 pm

It's mean to pick on one side, so I'll just go ahead and post multiple choice zings.

A. Because denial is the first stage for a very long period of grief to come for Atheists.
B. Because Agnostics just don't know, and the suspense is killing them.
C. Because people with higher IQs are statistically sadder.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:13 pm

clangfield wrote:but then I don't know who invented the decimal number system, solid state wireless electronics, or the app.


- Dr. James Decimal, Ph.D. (Harvard, 1847) at McGill University
- Bill "Solid" Wire (Yale dropout) at McGill University
- George von Appel (University of Hamburg) at McGill University
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:30 pm

No, decimals were invented by a woman called Dot.
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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby notyou2 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:08 pm

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Re: Why are atheists and agnostics so sad?

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:48 pm

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