Bowe Bergdahl - Charged with Desertion

[patches70]

I do wonder if there is more to it than meets the eye. A "Spy Who Came In From The Cold" subplot, if you know what I mean. If the guy deliberately set himself up as a deserter in order to infiltrate the enemy.

I'm not saying that's what it is, but it certainly presents itself as a possibility.

Or the opposite: that one of the "five dangerous terrorists" is an intelligence agent, and they're hoping there's safety in numbers, and they can slip him back to the Taliban, who may suspect such a move but will have no way to know which of the five it might be.

As incompetent as Obama is, I really doubt if could make a blunder this big by accident. I suspect in some way this is an intentional move in a game that we don't know about.

Hey, sure! One certainly can't eliminate such a possibility.

But for my part, since we are talking about Obama, I find it unlikely. Heck, we are talking about the same people who let 1,000's of guns to be sold to Mexican drug cartels, allowed those weapons to cross the border and had zero way to track said guns.
Then after the guns were used to kill 100's of Mexican citizens and at least one US border patrol guard, the administration said the gun running program was an attempt to track the drug cartels, but they couldn't even track the guns once they crossed the border! So how were they supposed to know what cartels used what guns and such?

Hahah, no, this is a short sighted and inept administration. I don't see that changing anytime, no reason to expect any different in this case.

But who knows, maybe one day we'll learn differently.

[Phatscotty]

As for the five "dangerous terrorists", if they are so dangerous then why haven't they been prosecuted and punished?

Isn't at least one of them wanted by the U.N. for war crimes and crimes against humanity? I wonder why Obama didn't turn them over to the U.N.? Sounds like he is on the same level of Saddam gassing the Kurds. I thought he was a big believer of all that jazz.

Throw that one on the gaping heap of bullshit.

[patches70]

As for the five "dangerous terrorists", if they are so dangerous then why haven't they been prosecuted and punished?

Isn't at least one of them wanted by the U.N. for war crimes and crimes against humanity? I wonder why Obama didn't turn them over to the U.N.? I thought he was a big believer of all that jazz.

Throw that one on the gaping heap of bullshit that smells like Obama fish guts.

The US and Gitmo is a stinking mess of something. We can't know because it's all wrapped in secrecy and "national security". Which is OK, I guess, but such things are always used as cover for other things. Which is counter to what is supposed to be a "free and open" society.

I dunno, it's a tangled web weaved. The US has entered a realm of which she is just as responsible for getting into as our supposed enemies. All because we got afraid. We've abandoned our principles, PS. And for what? the illusion of security?

And to be fair I can't lay all the blame on Obama's feet. This path we have gone down, we took the wrong turn decades ago. And as much as I disagree with most things Obama does, we dodged a bullet with McCain.
Would Romney have been better? I honestly don't know.

At this point, I don't know if there's anything that can change the path we are on, regardless of and Obama or anyone else who could or would be President.
It's probably best to just try and make sure you've got yourself and your loved ones covered as best you can and then just deal with whatever comes as it may.
In other words, grab your towel and Don't Panic.

[Gillipig]

we have no idea of what you're talking about because your country isn't the center of the universe scotty. we are already nice enough to click on your link, we ain't googleing shit.

Do you know who Mehdi Nemmouche is? if not, you are living under a rock.

I apologize to you too Betiko. Especially you!

Here's what happened.
President Obama's Exchanged 5 Hardcore Terrorists for an American Traitor/Deserter (Bergdahl) held by the Taliban. But yes this is mostly an American issue and looking mostly for American's opinions.

addendum: The Taliban are a group of radical Islamists that controlled Afghanistan up until USA invaded in 2001 and kicked them out. The Taliban are the group that blew up the thousands year old statue of Buddha. The Taliban also harbored Osama Bin Laden. Only 3-4 countries in the world recognized them as a legitimate government though, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and United Arab Emirates, maybe Yemen too.

You forgot to mention that the U.S funded the Taliban and did everything they could do to make sure they came into power a couple of decades ago. Going as far as supplying them with weapons. If the taliban is bad (which they clearly are) then perhaps you should at least have some hindsight present in your history lesson and include your own country's role in their existence.

[Gillipig]

And also, why is it such big news who the U.S is ransoming for who? I doubt most americans care and people who live outside of America definitely doesn't care. For you to be accurate in the living under a rock comparison this would have to be as big a news as the Mars landing or something similar, which it clearly is not.

Because Obama negotiated with terrorists, and now terrorists are going to put a lot more effort into kidnapping white people and Obama gave the terrorists a great propaganda tool, probably more effective than Abu-Gahraib.

About living under a rock, I only said that to you cuz you called me a lazy slob

It's huge news here in America and certainly all over the Arab world, pretty much most of the world. It probably is in your news albeit probably not on the front page. Here it's so big it even bumped the VA scandal to the back burner. So, the VA scandal was huge news because American veterans who are first in line for health care have been put on waiting lists (up to 18 months) just to get an appointment with a doctor, and hundreds if not thousands of veterans have died over the last decade or so (basically a death panel) and it's been getting worse and worse and now it's out of control. Americans are finding out our government cannot even take care of our veterans when it comes to health care; so we aren't exactly pumped out Obamacare either. FYI Obamacare is a health insurance program that Obama says will make sure everyone is insured in America whether they have it or not, so now everyone can get on the waiting list because we don't have nearly enough doctors. We can't even hardly take care of out vets who deserve it the most without a doubt.

This is what I'm talking about, we don't know anything about your VA scandal, you seem to think that is something other countries know about as well. We like your movies and your music, we like NASA and we don't like your wars, the rest of what happens sometimes filters through but most of the time it doesn't. Execptions are things like your healthcare reform, 9/11, hurricane katrina, we know those things happened too.
If I started talking about the 2014 European Parliment election and expected you to know what I'm talking about without supplying more information you'd be equally surprised. That being said the 2014 European Parliment election was a much more significant event than who your commander in chief ransoms for who, so comparing them is giving the prisoner exchange undue significance.

[2dimes]

You should have donated to NASA because it's withering up.

[Gillipig]

You should have donated to NASA because it's withering up.

I'll probably start my own spaceprogram before I donate money to the U.S government.

[Phatscotty]

we have no idea of what you're talking about because your country isn't the center of the universe scotty. we are already nice enough to click on your link, we ain't googleing shit.

Do you know who Mehdi Nemmouche is? if not, you are living under a rock.

I apologize to you too Betiko. Especially you!

Here's what happened.
President Obama's Exchanged 5 Hardcore Terrorists for an American Traitor/Deserter (Bergdahl) held by the Taliban. But yes this is mostly an American issue and looking mostly for American's opinions.

addendum: The Taliban are a group of radical Islamists that controlled Afghanistan up until USA invaded in 2001 and kicked them out. The Taliban are the group that blew up the thousands year old statue of Buddha. The Taliban also harbored Osama Bin Laden. Only 3-4 countries in the world recognized them as a legitimate government though, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and United Arab Emirates, maybe Yemen too.

You forgot to mention that the U.S funded the Taliban and did everything they could do to make sure they came into power a couple of decades ago. Going as far as supplying them with weapons. If the taliban is bad (which they clearly are) then perhaps you should at least have some hindsight present in your history lesson and include your own country's role in their existence.

The US funds virtually EVERYBODY!

The way you are talking, I forgot to talk about everything since the beginning of time. my bad!

[Phatscotty]

And also, why is it such big news who the U.S is ransoming for who? I doubt most americans care and people who live outside of America definitely doesn't care. For you to be accurate in the living under a rock comparison this would have to be as big a news as the Mars landing or something similar, which it clearly is not.

Because Obama negotiated with terrorists, and now terrorists are going to put a lot more effort into kidnapping white people and Obama gave the terrorists a great propaganda tool, probably more effective than Abu-Gahraib.

About living under a rock, I only said that to you cuz you called me a lazy slob

It's huge news here in America and certainly all over the Arab world, pretty much most of the world. It probably is in your news albeit probably not on the front page. Here it's so big it even bumped the VA scandal to the back burner. So, the VA scandal was huge news because American veterans who are first in line for health care have been put on waiting lists (up to 18 months) just to get an appointment with a doctor, and hundreds if not thousands of veterans have died over the last decade or so (basically a death panel) and it's been getting worse and worse and now it's out of control. Americans are finding out our government cannot even take care of our veterans when it comes to health care; so we aren't exactly pumped out Obamacare either. FYI Obamacare is a health insurance program that Obama says will make sure everyone is insured in America whether they have it or not, so now everyone can get on the waiting list because we don't have nearly enough doctors. We can't even hardly take care of out vets who deserve it the most without a doubt.

This is what I'm talking about, we don't know anything about your VA scandal, you seem to think that is something other countries know about as well.

Which is why I told you about it. You speak as if you had to ask? You just want to talk shit.

[Phatscotty]

As for the five "dangerous terrorists", if they are so dangerous then why haven't they been prosecuted and punished?

Isn't at least one of them wanted by the U.N. for war crimes and crimes against humanity? I wonder why Obama didn't turn them over to the U.N.? I thought he was a big believer of all that jazz.

Throw that one on the gaping heap of bullshit that smells like Obama fish guts.

The US and Gitmo is a stinking mess of something. We can't know because it's all wrapped in secrecy and "national security". Which is OK, I guess, but such things are always used as cover for other things. Which is counter to what is supposed to be a "free and open" society.

I dunno, it's a tangled web weaved. The US has entered a realm of which she is just as responsible for getting into as our supposed enemies. All because we got afraid. We've abandoned our principles, PS. And for what? the illusion of security?

And to be fair I can't lay all the blame on Obama's feet. This path we have gone down, we took the wrong turn decades ago. And as much as I disagree with most things Obama does, we dodged a bullet with McCain.
Would Romney have been better? I honestly don't know.

At this point, I don't know if there's anything that can change the path we are on, regardless of and Obama or anyone else who could or would be President.
It's probably best to just try and make sure you've got yourself and your loved ones covered as best you can and then just deal with whatever comes as it may.
In other words, grab your towel and Don't Panic.

You are a great value to the forum.

We'll have to wait and see

[oVo]

When did the 15 year old from Afghanistan imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay for more than a decade. When did he become a Dangerous Taliban leader?

The extreme Islamist group known as the Taliban have not always controlled Afghanistan Scotty and prisoner exchanges have occurred in every conflict. Is this a war or just some silly police action costing trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives? In February John McCain was in favor of a prisoner exchange with the Taliban, but now it seems old "Congressman Crash" has had a change of heart.

There are an absurd number of contradictions attached to the Bowe Bergdahl story, maybe the Congress should allocate a few million bucks just to investigate what's really going on here. Like Benghazi (Congressional investigation #8 coming up) throw tax dollars at it until you're satisfied with the results.

[Gillipig]

And also, why is it such big news who the U.S is ransoming for who? I doubt most americans care and people who live outside of America definitely doesn't care. For you to be accurate in the living under a rock comparison this would have to be as big a news as the Mars landing or something similar, which it clearly is not.

Because Obama negotiated with terrorists, and now terrorists are going to put a lot more effort into kidnapping white people and Obama gave the terrorists a great propaganda tool, probably more effective than Abu-Gahraib.

About living under a rock, I only said that to you cuz you called me a lazy slob

It's huge news here in America and certainly all over the Arab world, pretty much most of the world. It probably is in your news albeit probably not on the front page. Here it's so big it even bumped the VA scandal to the back burner. So, the VA scandal was huge news because American veterans who are first in line for health care have been put on waiting lists (up to 18 months) just to get an appointment with a doctor, and hundreds if not thousands of veterans have died over the last decade or so (basically a death panel) and it's been getting worse and worse and now it's out of control. Americans are finding out our government cannot even take care of our veterans when it comes to health care; so we aren't exactly pumped out Obamacare either. FYI Obamacare is a health insurance program that Obama says will make sure everyone is insured in America whether they have it or not, so now everyone can get on the waiting list because we don't have nearly enough doctors. We can't even hardly take care of out vets who deserve it the most without a doubt.

This is what I'm talking about, we don't know anything about your VA scandal, you seem to think that is something other countries know about as well.

Which is why I told you about it. You speak as if you had to ask? You just want to talk shit.

I'll give you right in this one, I was totally just looking to let off some steam, haha.

[Phatscotty]

When did the 15 year old from Afghanistan imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay for more than a decade. When did he become a Dangerous Taliban leader?

The extreme Islamist group known as the Taliban have not always controlled Afghanistan Scotty and prisoner exchanges have occurred in every conflict. Is this a war or just some silly police action costing trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives? In February John McCain was in favor of a prisoner exchange with the Taliban, but now it seems old "Congressman Crash" has had a change of heart.

There are an absurd number of contradictions attached to the Bowe Bergdahl story, maybe the Congress should allocate a few million bucks just to investigate what's really going on here. Like Benghazi (Congressional investigation #8 coming up) throw tax dollars at it until you're satisfied with the results.

Even if all of that were true, and I'm not saying it's false, that doesn't mean Obama made a good trade. And it CERTAINLY does not mean Obama didn't CLEARLY break the law, setting the bar ever higher on how much shit a president can get away with for the future. If any Obama supports don't call him out, and they don't want the next Republican president to go even farther, they got to call him out. I have faith you will concede those points at least. And not that you support Obama, maybe you do? Hopefully not here.

[danfrank666]

, setting the bar ever higher on how much shit a president can get away with for the future.
.

You are absolutely correct , the us government has been affected on many levels during this administration.
The Presidency , Justice , Epa , IRS just to name a few of the obviously dishonest.

[a6mzero]

The human memory must be going the way of the dinosaur. Did't we have a two term president recently who was asleep on the job and ignored warnings regarding the soon to happen largest terrorist strike in US history. Frabicated evidence to invade a country because they disrespected his daddy.Allowed the same kind of torture we hung japs for at the end of WW2. Established secret torture prisons in foreign countries.Allowed warrantless surveillance.Illegal monitoring of opposition groups.Massive arrests and detention of perceived foreign radicals. This record makes Obama look like a boyscout in comparison.

[Phatscotty]

The human memory must be going the way of the dinosaur. Did't we have a two term president recently who was asleep on the job and ignored warnings regarding the soon to happen largest terrorist strike in US history. Frabicated evidence to invade a country because they disrespected his daddy.Allowed the same kind of torture we hung japs for at the end of WW2. Established secret torture prisons in foreign countries.Allowed warrantless surveillance.Illegal monitoring of opposition groups.Massive arrests and detention of perceived foreign radicals. This record makes Obama look like a boyscout in comparison.

Yeah, everybody knows about that. What in the world leads you to believe anyone has forgotten about any of that??? Everything you said, Congressional Democrats voted to do it too. We are talking about something else though, the next guy, who is taking all the same crap to the next level. Who doesn't even bother going to Congress.

Might wanna check that Bush derangement syndrome tho

[a6mzero]

The next level my ass. How many countries has Obama invaded? 0 How many torture prisons has he established? 0 Has he approved of warrantless surveillance? NO (congress kept NSA alive and well) Has he tried to dismantle the EPA like Bush and his big business Chemical spewing cronies? No. Has he spent his time attacking womens rights like the wingnuts have in state after state? No Has he effectively destroyed the 1st amendment like the wingnut controlled governor and legislature in North Carolina ? No Has he led voter suppression legislation in state after state? No (Wingnuts again) The wingnuts are just a few senate seats and the whitehouse from totally dismantling the constitution.

[Phatscotty]

The next level my ass. How many countries has Obama invaded? 0 How many torture prisons has he established? 0 Has he approved of warrantless surveillance? NO (congress kept NSA alive and well) Has he tried to dismantle the EPA like Bush and his big business Chemical spewing cronies? No. Has he spent his time attacking womens rights like the wingnuts have in state after state? No Has he effectively destroyed the 1st amendment like the wingnut controlled governor and legislature in North Carolina ? No Has he led voter suppression legislation in state after state? No (Wingnuts again) The wingnuts are just a few senate seats and the whitehouse from totally dismantling the constitution.

Like Obama fixed all of that. You are so funny. Obama has done the same, and worse. You think because the last guy was horrible, that makes it okay for this guy to be horrible. You are in straight denial. Obama spends time attacking gun owners rights. Obama tried to dismantle Congress. Obama invaded twice as many countries as Bush, and has totally blown Iraq and Afghanistan, while he illegally smuggles weapons to drug cartels and Syrian resistance. Yes, the NSA is alive and well still, even bigger under Obama. Obama led a nationwide voter suppression, it's called the IRS scandal, did any foreign diplomats die on Bush's watch? no, but under Obama? YES! What is the point of railing what went on 10 years ago, when you are blind as hell to what is happening now?

Obama's all time low approval rating is lower than Bush's all time approval rating. Fact. Bush never got this low. Deal with it.

Why can't you accept that both of America's last presidents have been steaming piles of shit?

[a6mzero]

Other than the first sentence the rest of it is happening now. Guess your the one who needs a seeing eye dog.

[Phatscotty]

Other than the first sentence the rest of it is happening now. Guess your the one who needs a seeing eye dog.

I see you are new to politics. You have 101 written all over ya

[a6mzero]

I've forgotten more about history (which includes politics) than u will ever know.

[Phatscotty]

I've forgotten more about history (which includes politics) than u will ever know.

uh huh, okay, thanks for calming down

[danfrank666]

Why can't you accept that both of America's last presidents have been steaming piles of shit?

There`s a concession , you didn`t have to make. In my opinion ( IMO for all you texters ) , If i agreed with your statement the last 3 were shitheads.

[Phatscotty]

Why can't you accept that both of America's last presidents have been steaming piles of shit?

There`s a concession , you didn`t have to make. In my opinion ( IMO for all you texters ) , If i agreed with your statement the last 3 were shitheads.

I know, I was playing along with his rant that since I am Conservative I was licking Bush's balls and was all about invading Iraq. Iraq was by far the #1 issue to me, that's why I voted for Nader.

[a6mzero]

Oh I get it. When u talk its the voice of reason, when someone else talks its a rant.