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When will China make its move?

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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:22 am

bigtoughralf wrote:jp posts multiple sources all of which contradict jim's position, jim responds by stating that his position is so self-evidently true that there is no need for him to provide any evidence or even debate it at all.

Make America Jim Again.


Ralph again shows that he lives in a dream world. He continues to deny that Mao CAUSED The deaths of MILLIONS of Chinese citizens. And on that KEY POINT, JimB and I agree, despite ralph's/your fake news and your denials and your feeble attempt at obfuscation.

STUFF that in your pipe and smoke that, SMALLStooopidRalph. You sir, are act and continue to post like an IDIOT.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:17 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:Ralph again shows that he lives in a dream world. He continues to deny that Mao CAUSED The deaths of MILLIONS of Chinese citizens.


No I didn't. I quite explicitly stated that the Four Pest campaigns was one of if not the biggest cause of the famine. I think maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension. Or stop taking your daddy issues out on me.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:20 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:Ralph again shows that he lives in a dream world. He continues to deny that Mao CAUSED The deaths of MILLIONS of Chinese citizens.


No I didn't. I quite explicitly stated that the Four Pest campaigns was one of if not the biggest cause of the famine. I think maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension. Or stop taking your daddy issues out on me.


OK, you are a China & CCP lover; or the re-incarnation of mrswdk
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jimboston on Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:21 am

bigtoughralf wrote:jp posts multiple sources all of which contradict jim's position, jim responds by stating that his position is so self-evidently true that there is no need for him to provide any evidence or even debate it at all.

Make America Jim Again.


BTR takes one debate, substitutes it for another debate, then claims victory without actually explain how or why.

Your tactics MIGHT work against a slow middle-school kid.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:34 am

Jim: Mao murdered millions of people during the GLF
ralf: deaths during the GLF were an accident
jp4: *provides a load of references stating that deaths during the GLF were an accident*
Jim: I AM RIGHT STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS YOU ARE A CHINA LOVER ARGUING WITH IDIOTS IS LIKE PLAYING CHESS WITH A PIGEON ABORT ABORT ABORT *head starts melting and then explodes*
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:07 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:Jim: Mao murdered millions of people during the GLF
ralf: deaths during the GLF were an accident
jp4: *provides a load of references stating that deaths during the GLF were an accident*
Jim: I AM RIGHT STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS YOU ARE A CHINA LOVER ARGUING WITH IDIOTS IS LIKE PLAYING CHESS WITH A PIGEON ABORT ABORT ABORT *head starts melting and then explodes*


accident?? NO way. You misread the evidence and try to spread Fake News. Let me make this simple for Ralph: Ralph is a Liar.

Stop making excuses for the Communists in China, the CCP, and Mao.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:14 pm

Mao's manufactured famine is just a continuation of his other repressions by other means.

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder
According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with—by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.

The most inhumane example of Mao’s contempt for human life came when he ordered the collectivization of China’s agriculture under the ironic slogan, the “Great Leap Forward.” A deadly combination of lies about grain production, disastrous farming methods (profitable tea plantations, for example, were turned into rice fields), and misdistribution of food produced the worse famine in human history.

Deaths from hunger reached more than 50 percent in some Chinese villages. The total number of dead from 1959 to 1961 was between 30 million and 40 million—the population of California.

Rounding up enemies

Only five years later, when he sensed that revolutionary fervor in China was waning, Mao proclaimed the Cultural Revolution. Gangs of Red Guards—young men and women between 14 and 21—roamed the cities targeting revisionists and other enemies of the state, especially teachers.

Professors were dressed in grotesque clothes and dunce caps, their faces smeared with ink. They were then forced to get down on all fours and bark like dogs. Some were beaten to death, some even eaten—all for the promulgation of Maoism. A reluctant Mao finally called in the Red Army to put down the marauding Red Guards when they began attacking Communist Party members, but not before 1 million Chinese died.

All the while, Mao kept expanding the laogai, a system of 1,000 forced labor camps throughout China. Harry Wu, who spent 19 years in labor camps, has estimated that from the 1950s through the 1980s, 50 million Chinese passed through the Chinese version of the Soviet gulag. Twenty million died as a result of the primitive living conditions and 14-hour work days.

Such calculated cruelty exemplified his Al Capone philosophy: “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”


This isn't a matter of opinion. This is fact, documented by thousands of scholars over the years.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:15 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:Jim: Mao murdered millions of people during the GLF
ralf: deaths during the GLF were an accident
jp4: *provides a load of references stating that deaths during the GLF were an accident*
Jim: I AM RIGHT STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS YOU ARE A CHINA LOVER ARGUING WITH IDIOTS IS LIKE PLAYING CHESS WITH A PIGEON ABORT ABORT ABORT *head starts melting and then explodes*


accident?? NO way. You misread the evidence and try to spread Fake News.


In your original post you described the deaths as 'not intentional', which you capitalised to make sure it would be noticed. You also enlarged the part of your post that said 'man-made errors' and coloured it in red to make sure everyone saw that too.

Are you and jim having a competition to see who can get the most pies on their face in a single thread?
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:18 pm

Dukasaur wrote:Mao's manufactured famine...

posts source stating that the famine was caused by policy errors


C'mon Duk, I expect this from jim and jp but you usually come across a bit more sensible.

Maybe spend a bit less time reading editorial articles written by a think tank whose stated mission is to 'counter the threat of Communist China'. Honestly, you might as well start posting FOX News clips if that's the path you want to go down.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:24 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:Jim: Mao murdered millions of people during the GLF
ralf: deaths during the GLF were an accident
jp4: *provides a load of references stating that deaths during the GLF were an accident*
Jim: I AM RIGHT STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS YOU ARE A CHINA LOVER ARGUING WITH IDIOTS IS LIKE PLAYING CHESS WITH A PIGEON ABORT ABORT ABORT *head starts melting and then explodes*


accident?? NO way. You misread the evidence and try to spread Fake News.


In your original post you described the deaths as 'not intentional', which you capitalised to make sure it would be noticed. You also enlarged the part of your post that said 'man-made errors' and coloured it in red to make sure everyone saw that too.

Are you and jim having a competition to see who can get the most pies on their face in a single thread?


Again, not an accident, but intentional Bad Policies by Mao who insisted on the “wisdom” of his erroneous decisions. Ralph
Keeps showing that he is nearly as “wise” as Mao; they are both wrong, obstinate, and stoooopid.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:28 pm

jp4, page 1: 'not intentional' and 'man-made errors'
jp4, page 2: 'not an accident' and 'intentional'

I can't wait to see what jp4's position will be by page 3!
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:26 am

bigtoughralf wrote:jp4, page 1: 'not intentional' and 'man-made errors'
jp4, page 2: 'not an accident' and 'intentional'

I can't wait to see what jp4's position will be by page 3!


I think that StooopidRalph again proves he needs to better learn the King's Language. IDIOT.

Let me again quote one of my sources and YOU decide if this is an "accident"

The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and people's communes, launched by Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party Mao Zedong, such as inefficient distribution of food within the nation's planned economy; requiring the use of poor agricultural techniques; the Four Pests campaign that reduced sparrow populations (which disrupted the ecosystem); over-reporting of grain production; and ordering millions of farmers to switch to iron and steel production.[4][6][8][15][17][18] During the Seven Thousand Cadres Conference in early 1962, Liu Shaoqi, then President of China, formally attributed 30% of the famine to natural disasters and 70% to man-made errors ("三分天灾, 七分人祸").[8][19][20] After the launch of Reforms and Opening Up, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) officially stated in June 1981 that the famine was mainly due to the mistakes of the Great Leap Forward as well as the Anti-Rightist Campaign, in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split.[2][3]

Definition of accident:

2.
an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.
"the pregnancy was an accident"
[Definitions from Oxford Languages]

We know the CAUSE of the Famine; it was INTENTIONAL, apparent, & DELIBERATE and THUS NOT an accident. LEARN SOMETHING, smallStoopidralph and stop being so STUPID. China/CCP-Lover, Ralph = MORON = STOOOPID.

And Duk's source says the SAME BASIC things. Try reading again.

And let's review the meaning of murder:

the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.


PERHAPS, Mao did not intend to kill Chinese peasants by
1) Killing birds (sparrows);
2) forcing them to make steel and NOT raise crops (THIS IS RATHER STOOOOPID, don't you think..??);
3) did not allow food to be imported;
4) other MAJOR MISTAKES of policies in the "Mao's Four Pests" campaign:

BUT the fact that Mao did not change his policies and ways once some deaths occurred, that he was so OBSTINATE NOT to change his policies, makes the deaths in subsequent years cases of MURDER. He was told his policies did not work, AND killed peasants, but Mao did not change his ways.

and more, SAME source given earlier (by me):

In 1959, the harvest had dropped by 30 million tons, almost 15 percent of the total, from the previous year. Yet, in the face of growing food shortages, Mao insisted that the problem was not declining grain production but willful sabotage.


Mao knows there are problems, but does not change and does not accept RESPONSIBILITY. This reminds me of STOOPID-ralph. YES, the "Four Pest" policies causes a "few" deaths, but most of them are due to "Sabotage." YEAH, RIGHT, ralph, keep on trying to sell THAT LIE. I

Rather than try to euphemize these MAJOR mistakes (as ralph wants to do) by calling this the "Four Pest" policy, I prefer to call this event what it is: The Great Chinese Famine.

Why wait until page 3? China-loving ralph is an IDIOT.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:10 am

jusplay4fun wrote:Why wait until page 3? China-loving ralph is an IDIOT.


I agree with most of your post, but I would disagree with this part.

A real China-loving poster would want to see the Communists exterminated and China set free.

I would call him China-hating ralph. Someone who wants to see a billion people eternally kept in subjugation to their communist masters.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:52 am

LOL. Saying I agree with the information contained in every source you guys have posted makes me some sort of swivel-eyed propagandist.

I have literally no idea what you guys want from me right now. Are your attempts to turn this into an argument some sort of fetish thing?
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jimboston on Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:17 am

bigtoughralf wrote:Jim: Mao murdered millions of people during the GLF
ralf: deaths during the GLF were an accident
jp4: *provides a load of references stating that deaths during the GLF were an accident*
Jim: I AM RIGHT STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS YOU ARE A CHINA LOVER ARGUING WITH IDIOTS IS LIKE PLAYING CHESS WITH A PIGEON ABORT ABORT ABORT *head starts melting and then explodes*


Fake News…

and also I’m not subject to JP4’s links…

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+man ... ent=safari
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jimboston on Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:26 am

On this list Mao is #1!

https://about-history.com/list-of-dicta ... n-history/

Course the “whites” in China came in #4… so they weren’t much better.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:27 am

bigtoughralf wrote:LOL. Saying I agree with the information contained in every source you guys have posted makes me some sort of swivel-eyed propagandist.

I have literally no idea what you guys want from me right now. Are your attempts to turn this into an argument some sort of fetish thing?


SmallSTOOPIDralph is a stupid swivel-eyed propagandist. ralph tries to be like saxi, but, like many things, fails at that too.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:57 am

jimboston wrote:On this list Mao is #1!

https://about-history.com/list-of-dicta ... n-history/


I like how you guys are getting increasingly desperate with your sources*, yet still can't find any that actually support your ridiculous claims** and so are just continuing to post sources that directly contradict you.

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*this latest offering of yours is a listicle posted on an anonymous website by someone using a pseudonym

**that Mao deliberately created a nation-wide food shortage as a means of carrying out the targeted assassination of his main political opponents - peasant farmers
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:02 am

Although credit where it's due: at least jim appears to at least be attempting to do some further research, unlikely jp4 who as usual has given up and resorted to name-calling instead.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jimboston on Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:22 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao%27s_Great_Famine

Dikötter wrote: "In most cases the party knew very well that it was starving its own people to death." In 1959, Mao was quoted as saying in Shanghai "When there is not enough to eat people starve to death. It is better to let half of the people die so that the other half can eat their fill."

Who “chose” which group lived and which died?
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jimboston on Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:37 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... -tombstone

Half a century on, the government still treats the famine as a natural disaster and denies the true death toll. "The root problem is the problem of the system. They don't dare to admit the system's problems … It might influence the legitimacy of the Communist party," Yang says.

The death toll is staggering. "The most officials have admitted is 20 million," he says, but he puts the total at 36 million. It is "equivalent to 450 times the number of people killed by the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki … and greater than the number of people killed in the first world war," he writes. Many think even this is a conservative figure: in his acclaimed book Mao's Great Famine, Frank Dikotter estimates that the toll reached at least 45 million.

Tombstone meticulously demonstrates that the famine was not only vast, but manmade; and not only manmade but political, born of totalitarianism. Mao Zedong had vowed to build a communist paradise in China through sheer revolutionary zeal, collectivising farmland and creating massive communes at astonishing speed. In 1958 he sought to go further, launching the Great Leap Forward: a plan to modernise the entire Chinese economy so ambitious that it tipped over into insanity.

Many believe personal ambition played a crucial role. Not satisfied with being "the most powerful emperor who had ever ruled China", Mao strove to snatch leadership of the international communist movement. If the Soviet Union believed it could catch up with the US in 15 years, he vowed, China could overtake Britain in production. His vicious attacks on other leaders who dared to voice concern cowed opposition. But, as Yang notes: "It's a very complicated historical process, why China believed in Maoism and took this path. It wasn't one person's mistake but many people's. It was a process."


Ruthlessness ran through the system. In Xinyang, the Henan city at the centre of the disaster, those who tried to escape the famine were rounded up; many died of starvation or from brutality in detention centres. Police hunted down those who wrote anonymous letters raising the alarm. Attempts to control the population tipped over into outright sadism, with cadres torturing victims in increasingly elaborate, ritualistic ways: "The textbooks don't mention this part of history at all," says Yang. "At every festival they have propaganda about the party's achievements and glory and greatness and correctness. People's ideology has been formed over many years. So right now it's very necessary to write this book; otherwise nobody has this history."


This is much different than say Bush responding poorly to Katrina. This is not the same as Trump making mistakes early in in his response to Covid 19. It’s not the same as The Great Depression cause by bad economic policy in the US, where many likely died due to malnourishment, suicide, and poor health. Those (and many other disasters cause by bad policy all over the world and through history) were true mistakes that were relatively short lived.

The Great Famine was a policy that was initiated and continued and doubled-down on over-and-over again by Mao and his subordinates over years. The winners and losers were determined by Mao and his people (at various levels) based on politics, personal allegiances, favors, etc. He hid it and continued it and denied it... putting his policies and political future over the suffering of his people.

That is not very different than sending people to gulags to be worked. to death.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:13 am

jimboston wrote:The Great Famine was a policy that was initiated and continued and doubled-down on over-and-over again by Mao and his subordinates over years. The winners and losers were determined by Mao and his people (at various levels) based on politics, personal allegiances, favors, etc.


As before, feel free to point out which parts of the quotes you just posted (or anything you, jp or Duk have shared in this thread) support that claim. I'll wait.

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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:08 pm

jimboston wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/china-great-famine-book-tombstone

Half a century on, the government still treats the famine as a natural disaster and denies the true death toll. "The root problem is the problem of the system. They don't dare to admit the system's problems … It might influence the legitimacy of the Communist party," Yang says.

The death toll is staggering. "The most officials have admitted is 20 million," he says, but he puts the total at 36 million. It is "equivalent to 450 times the number of people killed by the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki … and greater than the number of people killed in the first world war," he writes. Many think even this is a conservative figure: in his acclaimed book Mao's Great Famine, Frank Dikotter estimates that the toll reached at least 45 million.

Tombstone meticulously demonstrates that the famine was not only vast, but manmade; and not only manmade but political, born of totalitarianism. Mao Zedong had vowed to build a communist paradise in China through sheer revolutionary zeal, collectivising farmland and creating massive communes at astonishing speed. In 1958 he sought to go further, launching the Great Leap Forward: a plan to modernise the entire Chinese economy so ambitious that it tipped over into insanity.

Many believe personal ambition played a crucial role. Not satisfied with being "the most powerful emperor who had ever ruled China", Mao strove to snatch leadership of the international communist movement. If the Soviet Union believed it could catch up with the US in 15 years, he vowed, China could overtake Britain in production. His vicious attacks on other leaders who dared to voice concern cowed opposition. But, as Yang notes: "It's a very complicated historical process, why China believed in Maoism and took this path. It wasn't one person's mistake but many people's. It was a process."


Ruthlessness ran through the system. In Xinyang, the Henan city at the centre of the disaster, those who tried to escape the famine were rounded up; many died of starvation or from brutality in detention centres. Police hunted down those who wrote anonymous letters raising the alarm. Attempts to control the population tipped over into outright sadism, with cadres torturing victims in increasingly elaborate, ritualistic ways: "The textbooks don't mention this part of history at all," says Yang. "At every festival they have propaganda about the party's achievements and glory and greatness and correctness. People's ideology has been formed over many years. So right now it's very necessary to write this book; otherwise nobody has this history."


This is much different than say Bush responding poorly to Katrina. This is not the same as Trump making mistakes early in in his response to Covid 19. It’s not the same as The Great Depression cause by bad economic policy in the US, where many likely died due to malnourishment, suicide, and poor health. Those (and many other disasters cause by bad policy all over the world and through history) were true mistakes that were relatively short lived.

The Great Famine was a policy that was initiated and continued and doubled-down on over-and-over again by Mao and his subordinates over years. The winners and losers were determined by Mao and his people (at various levels) based on politics, personal allegiances, favors, etc. He hid it and continued it and denied it... putting his policies and political future over the suffering of his people.

That is not very different than sending people to gulags to be worked. to death.


ralph's analogies and attempted excuses are PITIFUL, stooopid, and irrelevant. None of the policies of American Presidents CAUSED deaths of those in their country, and certainly NOT to the extent of Mao's stupid, misguided policies exacerbated by sheer obstinance. The obstinance of Mao is approximated by STOOOPIDralph as he attempts to defend the untenable actions and policies of Mao and his "Four Pest" plan that became the Great Chinese Famine.

The Bush Response to Katrina? really? Since when is it the responsibility of the POTUS to respond to local damage caused by weather? That has become an expectation, but is not an enumerated policy or action required by the US Constitution or by US Laws. This has been, until most recently, the onus of state and local governments. The most the Federal Government did was to offer LOANS via FEMA. The Democrats used the crises in New Orleans, caused by terrible Democratic responses at the city, county and state levels, to get some pushback on the President "W" Bush. What a CROCK.

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The Great Depression cause by bad economic policy in the US, where many likely died due to malnourishment, suicide, and poor health.

another poor comparison. The Depression was not a deliberate outcome of poor policy by a government leader. And how many DIED directly by the Depression? I want to see ralph produce some reliable evidence that the Depression caused direct deaths. Was there HUNGER? Yes. Starvation? some, but there were Soup Kitchens set up and I am sure private Charitable Groups stepped up to help those in Need. Depression of the spirit (Yes, mostly by men, out of work). Economic upheaval? Sure, ask the Okies. Did The US Great Depression lead to death and suicide? Likely. HOW many? Show me one reliable source, oh unWISE-ralph. ralph simply makes unsupported allegations in an attempt to excuse the actions and stupidity of his Hero Mao.

There is no point to discuss Trump and COVID here. I have answered most relevant questions about COVER elsewhere in this Forum already. There is no need to repeat ALL that here. Besides, that is a poor comparison.

Face it, ralph, there is NO comparison to Mao's STOOOPID "Great Leap Forward" that was actually a Great Leap Backwards, all the way to MASS starvation. You cannot lie your way OUT of that MESS (i.e., Mass Starvation of Millions of Chinese peasants) that Mao and his stupidity and obstinance CAUSED. The only real questions are:

1) Actual number of dead Chinese (up to 45-55 MILLION, nearly 1/6 the CURRENT US Population) due to starvation;
2) how long did it last? (at least 2-3 years, perhaps up to 5 years);
3) How much of the disaster is Mao's direct responsibility? (70% based on one CCP Leader's estimate).
4) How long ralph will continue to DENY, deflect, lie, and offer obfuscation on this matter?
5) What excuse will Small-Stupid-Soft-ralph offer NEXT?
6) How much longer will ralph try to deny what JimB, Duk, and I say about the Great Chinese Famine and Starvation?
7) How much longer will STOOOPID-ralph try to confuse folks who bother to read his LIES?
8 ) What will be the next Forum topic that ralph will use to fill it with LIES about how great the CCP and China are?
9) Will ralph actually LEARN SOMETHING by trying to engage in intelligent discussion and discourse? or will ralph jus continue to wallow in his IGNORANCE?
10) How stupid is ralph?
11) what did I miss?
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby jimboston on Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:38 pm

I’m just saying… other leaders in the western world have made mistakes that costs lives.

Others… like Jackson and the Trail of Tears… initiated policies that were directly responsible for death.
Atrocities have been committed by many.

Ralph can continue to tow the Party Line… but the simple fact is that under Mao’s rule policies were initiated that led to the deaths of MILLIONS. These deaths were known and predictable. Efforts to report or expose the corruption surrounding these deaths resulted in retaliation. Mao was THE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY… the idea that he didn’t know is preposterous. He knew. He knew and he didn;t care because his greatest resource at the time was the people… the vast numbers of people… and he could afford to “spend” this resource to modernize China… and he did… and he didn’t give a f*ck. He wanted to modernize China to get out from under the Soviet umbrella, and to put China in a place where is could be self-sustaining and recognized as a World Power.
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Re: China about to invade Taiwan?

Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:28 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:ralph's analogies and attempted excuses are PITIFUL, stooopid, and irrelevant.


You were replying to a post written by jim.

Are you okay dude? Do you know what year it is?

jimboston wrote:Ralph can continue to tow the Party Line… but the simple fact is that under Mao’s rule policies were initiated that led to the deaths of MILLIONS.


I already said the same thing back on page 1.

So if that's all it was then great, you agree with me and you can go back to discussing US crimes against humanity with jp4.
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