Ron Paul

[xtratabasco]

on CNN today

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/se ... ltdown.htm



Ron Paul Slams Bernanke For Dollar Meltdown

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, September 20, 2007


Ron Paul has slammed Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke for deliberately depreciating the value of the dollar to artificially bail out Wall Street while poor and middle class people lose their homes and have their living standards lowered.

During a Banking Committee hearing on Capitol Hill today, the Texas Congressman confronted Bernanke and accused the Fed of trying to solve the problem of inflation with more inflation by creating artificially low interest rates that have no effect because of the dollar's weakness.

Watch the video.






What Balls.....

Go Ron Goooooooo

[Coleman]

The fact we both like Ron Paul almost makes me not hate you.

Almost...

That video was sweet, thanks.

[xtratabasco]

The fact we both like Ron Paul almost makes me not hate you.

Almost...

That video was sweet, thanks.

thanks, maybe I dont hate you either.



did you see Bernankes face? and he kept looking around and down and using fillers...emmm emm em emmm emmm emmm



had that puppet dancing on a string.

[Cronus]

Only problem I have with him, is that last time he ran as a Libertarian, now he is running as a Republican.

no hes never ran before.


He is a Doctor who is also a Congressman on the Republican ticket, but he is a Constitutionalist, the only reason he ran on the Republicans ticket was that he couldnt win running on the Constitution Partys ticket. duhhh

yes he did. He ran as a Libertarian in 1988.

[Cronus]

i'd like to hear some of the wannabe libertarians in this thread make even one decent argument for their position.....

I am as far left as you can possibly be on civil liberties and as far right as you can possibly be on economic freedom. Give me a libertarian view and I will give an argument for you.

Here are some controversial ones for you to ask me. It would take forever to mention every libertarian view and defend them so just ask me the ones you want to know about.

- I am againt torture for any reason, not even to stop a nuclear weapon going off
- I am 100% against the death penalty
-I am 100% against gun control
-I am against child labor laws, wage discrimination laws etc..
-I am against environmental regulation laws
-I am against the Congressional Gold Medal
- I am against the government control of monetary polciy/use of fiat money not backed by anything of value
- I am against the UN
-I am against laws telling people who they can and cannot hire (aka punishing employers for hiring illegals)
-I am against corprotist policies such as patents, copyrights, and business subsidies
-I am against social security, medicaid, medicare, etc...
- I am 100% against the war on drugs

Government has only TWO purposes.
1. Basic protection from foreign militaries.
2. Third party enforcement of contracts as a state in the Weberian world is merely what entity has a monopoly on legitimate violence in a given geographic region and contracts often have "moral hazard" problems thanks to transaction costs and a world of imperfect information so a social mechanism needs to be in place to enforce private contracts between individuals as not all arrangements are adherent organizations (self-enforcing), therefore we need contractual arrangements which can give us more complex contracts between individuals where we can trust that both sides will honor it due to a "state" which can impose a significant cost on an individual so as to make it in his interest to honor his agreement.

[ksslemp]

Ron Paul is a complete CLOWN!

its a little known fact that ron paul only has one cranial hemisphere, because of this it is impossible for him to separate fact from fiction.

I'd vote for a mechanical Hello Kitty doll before i would vote for ron paul.

[Avron]

Ron Paul is a complete CLOWN!

its a little known fact that ron paul only has one cranial hemisphere, because of this it is impossible for him to separate fact from fiction.

I'd vote for a mechanical Hello Kitty doll before i would vote for ron paul.

You sound like the awesome current opposition to any kind of good change. Instead of reasoning all you can give is crappy insults and ram your opinion in their.

[ksslemp]

Hows this?

If you dont agree that ron paul is a CLOWN, then you are a sheep of a CLOWN.

There is no amount of reasoning to bring clarity to followers of this oxygen thief. so i wont waste my time.

[xtratabasco]

i'd like to hear some of the wannabe libertarians in this thread make even one decent argument for their position.....

I am as far left as you can possibly be on civil liberties and as far right as you can possibly be on economic freedom. Give me a libertarian view and I will give an argument for you.

Here are some controversial ones for you to ask me. It would take forever to mention every libertarian view and defend them so just ask me the ones you want to know about.

- I am againt torture for any reason, not even to stop a nuclear weapon going off
- I am 100% against the death penalty
-I am 100% against gun control
-I am against child labor laws, wage discrimination laws etc..
-I am against environmental regulation laws
-I am against the Congressional Gold Medal
- I am against the government control of monetary polciy/use of fiat money not backed by anything of value
- I am against the UN
-I am against laws telling people who they can and cannot hire (aka punishing employers for hiring illegals)
-I am against corprotist policies such as patents, copyrights, and business subsidies
-I am against social security, medicaid, medicare, etc...
- I am 100% against the war on drugs

Government has only TWO purposes.
1. Basic protection from foreign militaries.
2. Third party enforcement of contracts as a state in the Weberian world is merely what entity has a monopoly on legitimate violence in a given geographic region and contracts often have "moral hazard" problems thanks to transaction costs and a world of imperfect information so a social mechanism needs to be in place to enforce private contracts between individuals as not all arrangements are adherent organizations (self-enforcing), therefore we need contractual arrangements which can give us more complex contracts between individuals where we can trust that both sides will honor it due to a "state" which can impose a significant cost on an individual so as to make it in his interest to honor his agreement.

sounds like the only person even remotly close to this is Ron Paul, Im glad your aboard.




and I dont think he ever ran for President before, that means he didnt run as a Libratarian canadant for President. I dont know about his ticket as a congressman....but nobodys talking about that.

[btownmeggy]

The world's elites are busy forming a North American Union. If they succeed, as they did in forming the European Union, the good ol’ USA will only be a memory. We cannot let that happen.

read: Lousy French and the like are using their influence to make us the same country as MEXICANS. I'm talking about those dirty brown people that mow our yards--MEXICANS!

The UN wants to confiscate our firearms and impose a global tax. The UN elites want to control the oceans with the Law of the Sea Treaty. And they want to use our military to police the world.

lolz. I can't put it in any crazier, clearer terms than he already has.

Our right to educate our children as we choose is under assault. "No Child Left Behind" is seeing to that. And our right to say "no" to forced mental screening of our school-aged children is nearly gone.

read: The government has invented technology that will mind-probe our children to find the illegal stashes of arms that good Americans like us are storing for the coming war against the UN. They'll then brainwash our children to be fags.

The elites gave us a national ID card.

read: Now when when we're arrested for shooting spics, niggers, fags, jews, atheists, women, and liberals, they can KNOW OUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES!

I also remember that I have sworn a solemn oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States.

read: Uphold the Constitution as immutable, EXACTLY AS IT WAS WRITTEN 200 YEARS AGO! American values surely haven't changed since then.

Please send your maximum donation today.

[xtratabasco]

The world's elites are busy forming a North American Union. If they succeed, as they did in forming the European Union, the good ol’ USA will only be a memory. We cannot let that happen.

read: Lousy French and the like are using their influence to make us the same country as MEXICANS. I'm talking about those dirty brown people that mow our yards--MEXICANS!

The UN wants to confiscate our firearms and impose a global tax. The UN elites want to control the oceans with the Law of the Sea Treaty. And they want to use our military to police the world.

lolz. I can't put it in any crazier, clearer terms than he already has.

Our right to educate our children as we choose is under assault. "No Child Left Behind" is seeing to that. And our right to say "no" to forced mental screening of our school-aged children is nearly gone.

read: The government has invented technology that will mind-probe our children to find the illegal stashes of arms that good Americans like us are storing for the coming war against the UN. They'll then brainwash our children to be fags.

The elites gave us a national ID card.

read: Now when when we're arrested for shooting spics, niggers, fags, jews, atheists, women, and liberals, they can KNOW OUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES!

I also remember that I have sworn a solemn oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States.

read: Uphold the Constitution as immutable, EXACTLY AS IT WAS WRITTEN 200 YEARS AGO! American values surely haven't changed since then.

Please send your maximum donation today.

im glad your onboard as well, cupcake.

[2dimes]

[Nephilim]

yes, xtra, let's let ron paul speak for himself......and there still hasn't been a decent argument for libertarian principles.....

his little hate letter that he sent out to friends/donors is nothing more than alarmist propaganda. yes, the world hates us and the mexicans are coming, you need me to pull completely back into an isolationism never before seen in history. it's just a bunch of bullshit rhetoric that would never work even if it was a good idea. i appreciate the balls of ron paul, as does 2dimes. i really liked it when he worked guiliani over concerning foreign policy/the war on terror. paul is the only person i've seen w/ the actual gumption to say that people around the world hate us b/c we are imperialistic, not b/c of "our freedoms." guiliani was shocked and, in my opinion, showed that he isn't capable/worthy of the presidency.

but then paul turns around and sends out some shameless drivel only meant to stir up the looneys like you, xtra. my biggest problem is he claims to want to help the poor and middle class vs the unnamded "elites," but his libertarian stance means all social aid to these folks would be destroyed. it's complete lunacy to pretend we can revert to some "golden age" of american politics when the constitution was read faithfully and literally, b/c that age never existed. the world is far too complex for the simplistic rhetoric of libertarians (even though we all know they don't actually mean what they say).

and i hate to be the spelling nazi here, but it doesn't help ron paul that his 2 biggest fans in this thread appear to have an 8th grade education

[xtratabasco]

and i hate to be the spelling nazi here, but it doesn't help ron paul that his 2 biggest fans in this thread appear to have an 8th grade education

fine.......lets just stay the course.


You know Mr. Nazi,

I may be dyslexic and a horrible speller, but.....

boy Busch was from Yale. at U

[Cronus]

i'd like to hear some of the wannabe libertarians in this thread make even one decent argument for their position.....

I am as far left as you can possibly be on civil liberties and as far right as you can possibly be on economic freedom. Give me a libertarian view and I will give an argument for you.

Here are some controversial ones for you to ask me. It would take forever to mention every libertarian view and defend them so just ask me the ones you want to know about.

- I am againt torture for any reason, not even to stop a nuclear weapon going off
- I am 100% against the death penalty
-I am 100% against gun control
-I am against child labor laws, wage discrimination laws etc..
-I am against environmental regulation laws
-I am against the Congressional Gold Medal
- I am against the government control of monetary polciy/use of fiat money not backed by anything of value
- I am against the UN
-I am against laws telling people who they can and cannot hire (aka punishing employers for hiring illegals)
-I am against corprotist policies such as patents, copyrights, and business subsidies
-I am against social security, medicaid, medicare, etc...
- I am 100% against the war on drugs

Government has only TWO purposes.
1. Basic protection from foreign militaries.
2. Third party enforcement of contracts as a state in the Weberian world is merely what entity has a monopoly on legitimate violence in a given geographic region and contracts often have "moral hazard" problems thanks to transaction costs and a world of imperfect information so a social mechanism needs to be in place to enforce private contracts between individuals as not all arrangements are adherent organizations (self-enforcing), therefore we need contractual arrangements which can give us more complex contracts between individuals where we can trust that both sides will honor it due to a "state" which can impose a significant cost on an individual so as to make it in his interest to honor his agreement.

sounds like the only person even remotly close to this is Ron Paul, Im glad your aboard.




and I dont think he ever ran for President before, that means he didnt run as a Libratarian canadant for President. I dont know about his ticket as a congressman....but nobodys talking about that.

I don't care what you think, he did run for President as the nominee for the Libertarian Party in 1988. Have you ever watched him on TV, they always bring it up. Here is a Wikipedia article on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul#1988_presidential_campaign

Here is a hilarious video of him arguing with someone over the war on drugs in 1988 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

[Serbia]

Well, since this is a Ron Paul thread, I'm going to try to stick to the basic issues.

I heard him do an interview on the Frank Beckman show on 760 WJR in Detroit. First time I actually heard the guy speak. As a conservative, I liked his fiscal positions, but I am totally against his views on the war. I believe the war in Iraq is part of a bigger issue, and I also believe there will be a major conflict between Israel and Iran - Syria (perhaps involving more Arab states), that we may end up a part of as well, since this battle has potential nuclear repercussions. But that's getting away from the point. His idea of taking the best from both sides of the aisle is good, of course, and I agree with that. Overall, he had some good ideas, but his his national security position will keep me from ever considering him. That being said, I still think President Bush and the Republican Congress spent WAY too much during the 6 years they were in charge. Also, Paul doesn't have a real chance at the nomination, and even if he stays in the race, I don't believe he's really pulling votes away from the top candidates at this point.

[Coleman]

I don't believe he's really pulling votes away from the top candidates at this point.

You are going to be really surprised.

[DaGip]

As for the original question,

Paul is not so bad as politicians go. He is better than most in this go-around because,

1. He knows what he actually wants to do as president (as opposed to just wanting to become president cause it seems like a cool job).
2. He can articulate what he believes is best for the country.
3. He has a general plan as to how he is going to reach his goals once he becomes president.

Like most politicians, I agree with some of his ideas, but not all of them. He has some interesting international policy proposals that seem rather insane, but his general idea of withdrawing from international efforts until we get our own house in order is very appealing to me.

I believe that sums up my feelings pretty well on Ron Paul also. And to those that think Ron Paul would dismantle the United States, just remember that he still has to follow laws to do that. If Bush had his way, all abortions would be illegal...but as you see, that has not happened...why? Because Bush hasn't found a way to lie to us about abortions. So any argument about Ron Paul getting rid of Public Libraries is a mute point.

[xtratabasco]

As for the original question,

Paul is not so bad as politicians go. He is better than most in this go-around because,

1. He knows what he actually wants to do as president (as opposed to just wanting to become president cause it seems like a cool job).
2. He can articulate what he believes is best for the country.
3. He has a general plan as to how he is going to reach his goals once he becomes president.

Like most politicians, I agree with some of his ideas, but not all of them. He has some interesting international policy proposals that seem rather insane, but his general idea of withdrawing from international efforts until we get our own house in order is very appealing to me.

I believe that sums up my feelings pretty well on Ron Paul also. And to those that think Ron Paul would dismantle the United States, just remember that he still has to follow laws to do that. If Bush had his way, all abortions would be illegal...but as you see, that has not happened...why? Because Bush hasn't found a way to lie to us about abortions. So any argument about Ron Paul getting rid of Public Libraries is a mute point.

I think you have something wrong going on inside your fucking head.


go see a doc.

[xtratabasco]

Ron Paul leads ALL presidential candidates in monetary military contributions
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:29:04 +0000


Military support for the Republican candidates
http://tinyurl.com/2nlrhx

YouTube Video - Ron Paul : When in the course of human events...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ

[xtratabasco]

This is a link to Ron Paul's interview on Bill Maher

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4600

[dcowboys055]

Didn't Ron Paul get the Colbert bump?

[Coleman]

He sure did. I loved it.

Did you know everyone that was interviewed by Colbert won their congress elections?

[Cronus]

He sure did. I loved it.

Did you know everyone that was interviewed by Colbert won their congress elections?

you mean re-election. The incumbency rates for the House is like 95% and for the Senate is closer to 98% over the past 50 years. Most Congressional turnover is due to retirement and a battle for an open seat such as what will happen come 2008 for Senator John Warner's Seat in VA.

[btownmeggy]

He sure did. I loved it.

Did you know everyone that was interviewed by Colbert won their congress elections?

you mean re-election. The incumbency rates for the House is like 95% and for the Senate is closer to 98% over the past 50 years. Most Congressional turnover is due to retirement and a battle for an open seat such as what will happen come 2008 for Senator John Warner's Seat in VA.