Pearl Harbor Day - December 7th

[muy_thaiguy]

As a veteran of the navy, and having sailed into Pearl Harbor, and saluted the USS Arizona memorial on more than one occasion, I find your post disgusting.....especially coming from someone from UK. My uncle lost his life on a corvette, escorting supplies to Britain during the battle of the Atlantic. My father served in the Royal Navy during the same war. And during 21 years service in the Canadian Navy I made many friends in both the U.S. Navy, as well as the Royal Navy. Perhaps one of them will reach out and grab your uneducated ass and explain where UK would be right now if not for the efforts of Canada, the U.S., and many other countries. Show some respect. And if you don't think I'm right.....try asking your grandparents what they think of your comments.

Should of done this earlier, bravo glide! Well said!

[Napoleon Ier]

RadioJake: the last line of my post goes for you too.......try expressing that opinion of yours to your grandparents about the Battle Of Galipoli for example....or better still.....stroll into a pub in Oz and mouth off like you did here......unless of course your vast world experience hasn't included turning an age old enough to enter a pub. Grow up kid. Brave men and women die in wars defending YOUR right to talk crap.....without any repercussions with the exception of people like me shaking their heads at your ignorance. Again I say, show a little respect. Doing that may earn you the same some yday.

Bravo.

Radiojake and batticomicboy:

[fireedud]

December 7th was the feast day of St. Ambrose.

[Napoleon Ier]

December 7th was the feast day of St. Ambrose.

A despicably underrated theologian. Respect to him. Sanctus Ambrosius, Ora Pro Nobis.

[radiojake]

RadioJake: the last line of my post goes for you too.......try expressing that opinion of yours to your grandparents about the Battle Of Galipoli for example....or better still.....stroll into a pub in Oz and mouth off like you did here......unless of course your vast world experience hasn't included turning an age old enough to enter a pub. Grow up kid. Brave men and women die in wars defending YOUR right to talk crap.....without any repercussions with the exception of people like me shaking their heads at your ignorance. Again I say, show a little respect. Doing that may earn you the same some day.

Haha, yes revert to my age. Well not that it matters, but even in the US i've been of legal age for a number of years, so that is irrelevant. Also, yes I'm very aware that this is the Internet and you can say shit that in other places (say an RSL or some shit) I would probably have some agro fucks trying to smash me, or something. So I wouldn't go into 'any old pub' and spout that. But while the topic is up here and being discussed, I'm going to put my 2 cents in. I didn't start the topic. (and if its worth anything, I always avoid the city on ANZAC day marches so I don't feel inclined to say anything to anyone with all their stupid medals hanging from there shirts. Hows that for being respectful?) It's funny that you call me ignorant, because atleast I'm not so ignorant or stupid to actually join the armed forces.

'Brave' men and women die defending my right to talk crap? Bullshit, these men and women die because they are nothing more than pawns in a battle that has way more to do than what any of them would understand. Men and women are in Iraq at the moment dying over oil. Nothing about anyone's freedoms there.

The old lie;
dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori.

[Napoleon Ier]

Yeah radiojake you two-bit cactus smoking piece of shit leftist hippie, I guess you really do fancy yourself above Horace don't ya.
Oh, and PICK UP A GODDAMN TEXTBOOK you ignoramus.
World War II threatned to spread Nazi tyranny over Europe and eventually the whole free world. I know people like you can never understand what freedom really is, but have a little respect for people who do, and are putting their necks on the line for crackpots like you to have it. Just becase they have more balls than you can ever hope to have doesn't mean you get to undermine their sacrifice. Pople like you ought to be sent to live in Iran and see how you like it.

[radiojake]

Just becase they have more balls than you can ever hope to have doesn't mean you get to undermine their sacrifice.

Yes, because it all comes down to how big our 'balls' are.. that's the real test of how tough a man is, yeah?


On a side note, I'm not as ignorant to say or imply that WWI was started on the same frivolous information that the current Iraq war was started on. I've lived through enough Nov 11th's to have heard what was happening and what could've happened. I just don't buy into it. I can't help but think that because the wars that are going on now are a load of crap, that maybe, just maybe, it has been the same through out history. Maybe that's just the skeptic in me. Let's face it, it couldn't have been too hard to tell your country men and women "JOIN THE ARMY OR THE GERMANS WILL TAKE US OVER" or even still 30 years later "JOIN THE ARMY OR THE JAPS WILL TAKE OVER" - Nothing like a bit of xenophobia to get people fighting. I also have a different stance than you would being in France, Naps (being that France was in the middle of it all, so to speak), but Australia is so far away from Europe and where that all happened, no need to get involved. Wasn't our fight. And while there are topics full of country loving, flag waving patriots talking crap, I'm gonna put up the other side of the argument

[sangfroid]

There is no other side of the argument. People died defending their country against invasion/attack in WWII. There's no call to disrespect them.

You should get back in your box jake as if you think that this war had nothing to do with Australia, then you obviously haven't studied it much. Australian schools are phenomenally light on history!!

[muy_thaiguy]

Just becase they have more balls than you can ever hope to have doesn't mean you get to undermine their sacrifice.

Yes, because it all comes down to how big our 'balls' are.. that's the real test of how tough a man is, yeah?


On a side note, I'm not as ignorant to say or imply that WWI was started on the same frivolous information that the current Iraq war was started on. I've lived through enough Nov 11th's to have heard what was happening and what could've happened. I just don't buy into it. I can't help but think that because the wars that are going on now are a load of crap, that maybe, just maybe, it has been the same through out history. Maybe that's just the skeptic in me. Let's face it, it couldn't have been too hard to tell your country men and women "JOIN THE ARMY OR THE GERMANS WILL TAKE US OVER" or even still 30 years later "JOIN THE ARMY OR THE JAPS WILL TAKE OVER" - Nothing like a bit of xenophobia to get people fighting. I also have a different stance than you would being in France, Naps (being that France was in the middle of it all, so to speak), but Australia is so far away from Europe and where that all happened, no need to get involved. Wasn't our fight. And while there are topics full of country loving, flag waving patriots talking crap, I'm gonna put up the other side of the argument

Need I remind you that while Germany may not have been an immediate threat, Japan certainly was. Not to mention that Australia has been part of the British Empire and Commonwealth, so either way you look at it, it was your fight as well as Britain's, or France's, or Canada's, or the US's fight. The Japanese were fighting the Australian and British forces in the South Pacific, and later on, the US as well. Not to mention that Germany and Japan started WWII while the Alliance system in Europe ushered in WWI, not Germany or Austria by themselves.

[radiojake]

Australian schools are phenomenally light on history!!

Whose history? I remember not learning much about Australian Indigenous genocide either. All history books are tainted and lenient. Depends who wrote them

[Frigidus]

Just becase they have more balls than you can ever hope to have doesn't mean you get to undermine their sacrifice.

Yes, because it all comes down to how big our 'balls' are.. that's the real test of how tough a man is, yeah?


On a side note, I'm not as ignorant to say or imply that WWI was started on the same frivolous information that the current Iraq war was started on. I've lived through enough Nov 11th's to have heard what was happening and what could've happened. I just don't buy into it. I can't help but think that because the wars that are going on now are a load of crap, that maybe, just maybe, it has been the same through out history. Maybe that's just the skeptic in me. Let's face it, it couldn't have been too hard to tell your country men and women "JOIN THE ARMY OR THE GERMANS WILL TAKE US OVER" or even still 30 years later "JOIN THE ARMY OR THE JAPS WILL TAKE OVER" - Nothing like a bit of xenophobia to get people fighting. I also have a different stance than you would being in France, Naps (being that France was in the middle of it all, so to speak), but Australia is so far away from Europe and where that all happened, no need to get involved. Wasn't our fight. And while there are topics full of country loving, flag waving patriots talking crap, I'm gonna put up the other side of the argument

Australia fought in WWII...didn't they? Heck, we have a Battle for Australia map right here on CC.

[Napoleon Ier]

He/She/It clearly has no grasp of geography or geo-political events at the time

[radiojake]

Australia fought in WWII...didn't they? Heck, we have a Battle for Australia map right here on CC.

They did. I was saying they didn't need to

[muy_thaiguy]

Australia fought in WWII...didn't they? Heck, we have a Battle for Australia map right here on CC.

They did. I was saying they didn't need to

And come under control of Japan willingly. Hmmm, they sure did treat Islanders in other places well, other then the ones that they slaughtered with katanas, burned, tortured, starved, executed (even did this to nurses), you name it, they probably did it.

[Skittles!]

He/She/It clearly has no grasp of geography or geo-political events at the time

I'm pretty sure the geography of world war 2 is the same as the geography of this day and age.

[Frigidus]

He/She/It clearly has no grasp of geography or geo-political events at the time

I'm pretty sure the geography of world war 2 is the same as the geography of this day and age.

Not counting the Great Upheaval of 1964 of course.

[radiojake]

And come under control of Japan willingly. Hmmm, they sure did treat Islanders in other places well, other then the ones that they slaughtered with katanas, burned, tortured, starved, executed (even did this to nurses), you name it, they probably did it.

Hmmm, sounds like British people taking over the North American Indians who later become 'Americans' or even the British people murdering all the Australian Aboriginals, and later becoming 'Australians'

[Napoleon Ier]

He/She/It clearly has no grasp of geography or geo-political events at the time

I'm pretty sure the geography of world war 2 is the same as the geography of this day and age.

At the time is in a seperate clause.

[sangfroid]

Hmmm, sounds like British people taking over the North American Indians who later become 'Americans' or even the British people murdering all the Australian Aboriginals, and later becoming 'Australians'

Let's not be biased here, almost every colonial power slaughtered the natives. No-one in their right mind in this century would claim this was 'right' or 'humane'.

Your arguments are becoming less coherent with each response. What is your actual point or are you just ranting??

[muy_thaiguy]

Hmmm, sounds like British people taking over the North American Indians who later become 'Americans' or even the British people murdering all the Australian Aboriginals, and later becoming 'Australians'

Let's not be biased here, almost every colonial power slaughtered the natives. No-one in their right mind in this century would claim this was 'right' or 'humane'.

Your arguments are becoming less coherent with each response. What is your actual point or are you just ranting??

I think he's just ranting.

[Napoleon Ier]

Hmmm, sounds like British people taking over the North American Indians who later become 'Americans' or even the British people murdering all the Australian Aboriginals, and later becoming 'Australians'

Let's not be biased here, almost every colonial power slaughtered the natives. No-one in their right mind in this century would claim this was 'right' or 'humane'.

Your arguments are becoming less coherent with each response. What is your actual point or are you just ranting??

I think he's just ranting.

In the good ol days people like him were put in cages and people paid admission fees to poke them with sticks.

[radiojake]

Hmmm, sounds like British people taking over the North American Indians who later become 'Americans' or even the British people murdering all the Australian Aboriginals, and later becoming 'Australians'

Let's not be biased here, almost every colonial power slaughtered the natives. No-one in their right mind in this century would claim this was 'right' or 'humane'.

Your arguments are becoming less coherent with each response. What is your actual point or are you just ranting??

I know that, I just pointed out Australia's and America's out because a) I'm Australian, so it's relevant to me, and B) muy_thaiguy is American, so that was relevant to him.

And thank you sangfroid, because you helped make my point even clearer (no wait, i'm ranting apparently)

muy_thaiguy was saying how violent the Japanese were during WWII throughout the pacific Islands, and I just pointing out that in some other world history books (i.e Australia's and the USA's) that this kind of violence and invasion is considered a good thing. 'The birth of nations'

I just had a conversation with a house mate just before. You guys are all worried about the fact that we could have been all speaking Japanese right now, or German, or whatever foreign language would have been pushed on us if the Allies didn't win the World Wars. But I have one thing to say, and please be opened minded and actually think about what I am about to say.

I live in Australia, and I speak English...... English is not the native tongue of this land, English is not the native tongue of North America. French is not the native tongue of Africa. So, if we were speaking Japanese now, who fucking cares.

[radiojake]

In the good ol days people like him were put in cages and people paid admission fees to poke them with sticks.

Bit like the days when British people put Australian Aboriginals in cages and sent them on the circus circuit in Europe? "SEE THE BLACK MAN"

Asshole

[Napoleon Ier]

In the good ol days people like him were put in cages and people paid admission fees to poke them with sticks.

Bit like the days when British people put Australian Aboriginals in cages and sent them on the circus circuit in Europe? "SEE THE BLACK MAN"

Asshole

Damn, I really miss that....le bon vieux temps

[muy_thaiguy]

Hmmm, sounds like British people taking over the North American Indians who later become 'Americans' or even the British people murdering all the Australian Aboriginals, and later becoming 'Australians'

Let's not be biased here, almost every colonial power slaughtered the natives. No-one in their right mind in this century would claim this was 'right' or 'humane'.

Your arguments are becoming less coherent with each response. What is your actual point or are you just ranting??

I know that, I just pointed out Australia's and America's out because a) I'm Australian, so it's relevant to me, and B) muy_thaiguy is American, so that was relevant to him.

And thank you sangfroid, because you helped make my point even clearer (no wait, i'm ranting apparently)

muy_thaiguy was saying how violent the Japanese were during WWII throughout the pacific Islands, and I just pointing out that in some other world history books (i.e Australia's and the USA's) that this kind of violence and invasion is considered a good thing. 'The birth of nations'

I just had a conversation with a house mate just before. You guys are all worried about the fact that we could have been all speaking Japanese right now, or German, or whatever foreign language would have been pushed on us if the Allies didn't win the World Wars. But I have one thing to say, and please be opened minded and actually think about what I am about to say.

I live in Australia, and I speak English...... English is not the native tongue of this land, English is not the native tongue of North America. French is not the native tongue of Africa. So, if we were speaking Japanese now, who fucking cares.

Hate to break to you, but we do learn about the atrocities done to the Natives, especially under Andrew Jackson's administration. Kind of putting part of your argument to moot. Not to mention that this happens throughout history, no matter the people, no matter the continent, no matter the century. This happens. I don't feel the need for apologies for what happened in the past, because it is over and done with.