discipline in western schools today... (edited) please read

[Snorri1234]

kids back then were doing really good in school, now look, alot of em are failing because they're is not enough discipline in schools

First, as a substitute teacher, I have never had discipline issues. Even in classrooms where I am warned beforehand that "My students are awful, they'll be a real handful." I never have trouble keeping them quiet and on task, and as a result, I am a sought-after substitute. It is very easy to make children behave. Force of personality is everything.

I agree, it's the teachers fault if kids don't behave. I had many different teachers in highschool, and some managed to keep us all in check while others didn't.

I've had subs try to tell our regular teachers that we were "rowdy, uncontrollable, and didn't listen to them," when we did exactly what we normally did during class.

Yeah, we had a teacher almost burst out into tears because she couldn't control us, while our other teacher kept us in such a tight grip we didn't make a sound.

The first taught french and the second german....take from that what you will.

[muy_thaiguy]

This possibly speaks as to how you normally behave in the classroom, then, more than on the substitute's particular abnormality.

We normally discuss what we read (AP Euro History class BTW) the previous night for homework, have little debates on the time/person/event that occured, or just quietly study and do our work. Rarely (unless intentional) were we ever "noisy."

[Dekloren]

Hey...In the UK and area, they're telling kids and teachers not to use mum and dad anymore, but the word parents.

Because of the fags.

[Mjinga]

Possibly the sub was new, then. Or uptight.

I love AP History classes. They tend to be some of the best-read students, and often have the beginnings of informed opinions.

Because of the fags.

And don't we have the polite vocabulary.

[Snorri1234]

Hey...In the UK and area, they're telling kids and teachers not to use mum and dad anymore, but the word parents.

Because of the fags.

I totally believe what you're saying. You are never wrong.

[Grooveman2007]

Hey...In the UK and area, they're telling kids and teachers not to use mum and dad anymore, but the word parents.

Because of the fags.

I sick of all this Politically Correct bullshit.

[Dekloren]

It'll only get worse until we stand and do something about it.

They are pushing for gays...Less people.

Look at the bigger picture.

[gordon1975]

bring back national service,but instead of milatry,send all the wee bastards to africa to build wells etc,my good freind was nearly killed by a pack of 12 to 13 year old s the other night,8 hits to the face by a hammer.theres no respect no more.all the parents fault

[Iliad]

It'll only get worse until we stand and do something about it.

They are pushing for gays...Less people.

Look at the bigger picture.

There are 6 billion people on the planet, we are destroying the world because we are using FAR too much resources and you are worried about us becoming extinct because of some homosexuals?

Yeah a homosexual isn't going to make a baby.

Does that mean we should attack nerds too?

[Dekloren]

Okay spin doctor.

Spin spin spin.

you are worried about us becoming extinct because of some homosexuals?

That's EXATCLY what I said....

Loser.

[Iliad]

Okay spin doctor.

Spin spin spin.

you are worried about us becoming extinct because of some homosexuals?

That's EXATCLY what I said....

Loser.

you declared that the fact you didn't like homosexuals is less people.

[Dekloren]

English??

I said I didn't like the fact that they're trying to indoctrinate kids not to say mum and dad, but parents. Because of fags.

Then I went on to state that the NWO is pushing for fags because fags don't create life. So less people.

Spin spin spin.

[daddy1gringo]

kids back then were doing really good in school, now look, alot of em are failing because they're is not enough discipline in schools

I did VERY bad in spanish. VERY. Yet I worked twice as harder in the class than everyone else had. I should have been slapped for beeing a natural failure at spanish?

All that happens is that the less intelligent kids get whacked. Which is unfair.

Hold on. I don't think Brooks or anyone is suggesting corporal punishment for poor academic performance. It's for disciplinary issues: disrupting class and such.

I think his point is that some are doing badly not for lack of intelligence, but because they won't sit down, shut up, and realize that the classroom, and the world, is not their playground.

I am also a substitute teacher, having done a lot of long-term subbing, and though I'm not necessarily saying that corporal punishment by the school staff is a good idea (as pleasant a thought as it is in some particular instances) stricter discipline of some sort, more consistently carried out, is certainly necessary.

I am also in agreement with everyone who said that the real key is the parents. The schools can only do so much. Parents can do much more to affect what kind of people, and therefore what kind of students the children will be. In the home I definitely believe in spanking. And no, that doesn't mean I believe in indescriminate beatings. It's a tool that needs to be in the toolbox, to be used in the apropriate manner and circumstance.

Whatever degree and type of discipline the parents use, the essential thing is that it be accompanied by 2 other things: 1. It's "do as I say AND as I do." Strong discipline by a hypocrite will result in resentment and rebellion, not obedience. 2. At all times, including the times of disciplining, the child must know that you love them unconditionally. People don't care what you know until they know that you care.

Now let me get down off this soapbox before I twist my ankle.

[freezie]

English??

I said I didn't like the fact that they're trying to indoctrinate kids not to say mum and dad, but parents. Because of fags.

Then I went on to state that the NWO is pushing for fags because fags don't create life. So less people.

Spin spin spin.

Hey littleboy, if you want to debate how wrong the system is, at least respect ''the less people''.


I don't know any homosexuals who would like to be refered as ''fags'' in a debate.

Now, they should teach the kids every ways of what can happen..Not one of them..

[Dekloren]

I'm calling them fags, short for homosexual, or stool pushing aids givers (Couldn't resist), you called them less people.

Spinnnnnnnnnn

[Frigidus]

I'm calling them fags, short for homosexual, or stool pushing aids givers (Couldn't resist), you called them less people.

Spinnnnnnnnnn

Ah, I see. So you're not just your run of the mill conspiracy theorist, but also a good ol' "fag" hater. Hey, maybe tomorrow we can go out and lynch a few negroes. Racist.

Predicted Response: You're spinning my words spin-master, I only hate fags!

[Dekloren]

Laff.

I don't hate fags.
I can't imagine myself having sex with another man.
I have nothing against them.

I have something against pushing the words mum and dad instead of parents.

I'd rather hang the negroes.

/sarcasm

[freezie]

Stop calling them fags, geez. You'll get hung yourself one day.


*note to self: Buy black paint for this one*

I am against pushing words away because of people, that is true. But if you don't hate them ( And I doubt you have been truthful there ) stop calling them that name..

[mods-like]

Oh, and don't even bother answering this. BACK ON TOPIC GUYS.

[/mods-like]

Black people call themselves and each other nigger. Does that mean they all hate each other?

Sticks and stones!

So......You're saying you're homosexual? Thank you for that..

[Dekloren]

Black people call themselves and each other nigger. Does that mean they all hate each other?

Sticks and stones!

[CoffeeCream]

When I was in primary and middle school, I received lots of corporal punishment in the form of paddlings, which was the only kind legal in my state in the 90s. A paddling is three hard smacks on the buttocks with a large wooden paddle. My first was at age 5 for writing on the walls in the bathroom. My last was at age 12 for telling a teacher to shut up.

Looking back, I'm so angry and disappointed in the school system and my parents for letting it happen. This physical abuse did nothing to turn me into the fine, upstanding citizen that I am today. It only fostered discontent with school and distrust in the adults who were supposed to be my guides to knowledge.

Just out of curiosity were you paddled by female or male staff? I've heard that some private schools still practice it but you can only be paddled by someone of the same gender and there has to be a witness.

[Dekloren]

If those bastards ever tried to lay a hand on me, I would knock the cock sucker out.

My father was running away from me, literally, when I was 13.

I'm sure I probably would have stabbed one of them with a pencil if they did it to me when I was younger.

[Neutrino]

And that, children, is what you will grow up to be if you sniff paint.

[Dekloren]

Well, if you're younger, there's not much you can do physically to someone who has probably 20-30 years on you.

If your parents never came down on you, you must enjoy being a sheletered little bitch!

[Skittles!]

I really like how that people 'fail at life' these days because they don't get hit and abused by people that are meant to be teaching them the subject, not teaching them to be against schools.

[Dekloren]

When you give someone the authority to hit you.

You fail at life.