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Postby radiojake on Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:59 pm

bedub1 wrote:How can you be arrested for resisting arrest? Don't they have to try to arrest you for something else first...and then when you resist...they can charge you with that too?


The first thing a cop will do is slap a resisting arrest charge on pretty much everything. I still remember my brother getting 'resisting arrest' when (and on camera) as they arrested him to the grown he was yelling out 'i'm not resisting' as he layed still.

It's probably the hardest to disprove because it's your word against the pigs.

Also DaGip.. if these people don't protest.. who will??
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Postby reminisco on Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:01 pm

radiojake wrote:
bedub1 wrote:How can you be arrested for resisting arrest? Don't they have to try to arrest you for something else first...and then when you resist...they can charge you with that too?


The first thing a cop will do is slap a resisting arrest charge on pretty much everything. I still remember my brother getting 'resisting arrest' when (and on camera) as they arrested him to the grown he was yelling out 'i'm not resisting' as he layed still.

It's probably the hardest to disprove because it's your word against the pigs.

Also DaGip.. if these people don't protest.. who will??


it all depends on the Judge. some judges completely hate 'resisting arrest' charges. especially when its the only charge the perp is up for.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:17 pm

radiojake wrote:
bedub1 wrote:How can you be arrested for resisting arrest? Don't they have to try to arrest you for something else first...and then when you resist...they can charge you with that too?


The first thing a cop will do is slap a resisting arrest charge on pretty much everything. I still remember my brother getting 'resisting arrest' when (and on camera) as they arrested him to the grown he was yelling out 'i'm not resisting' as he layed still.

It's probably the hardest to disprove because it's your word against the pigs.

Also DaGip.. if these people don't protest.. who will??
If he wasn't complying with the officers, that can easily be termed as resisting arrest.
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Postby radiojake on Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:33 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
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bedub1 wrote:How can you be arrested for resisting arrest? Don't they have to try to arrest you for something else first...and then when you resist...they can charge you with that too?


The first thing a cop will do is slap a resisting arrest charge on pretty much everything. I still remember my brother getting 'resisting arrest' when (and on camera) as they arrested him to the grown he was yelling out 'i'm not resisting' as he layed still.

It's probably the hardest to disprove because it's your word against the pigs.

Also DaGip.. if these people don't protest.. who will??
If he wasn't complying with the officers, that can easily be termed as resisting arrest.


Yes, I know. But as I said, as they came over to arrest him (for disorderly conduct, no less.. another bullshit charge that cops make up when they want to arrest someone) he stood still, and was layed to the ground, to which he then started yelling (and it was caught on camera) 'I'm not resisting'

Ofcourse, back at the station, he got slapped with the resisting arrest charge.

There's nothing worse than being charged with something that only exists when there are police around. Unlike something simple, let's say stealing, which can be committed whether police are around or not. But charges like disorderly conduct ONLY occur in police presence, it's something that they cause. The whole term disorderly conduct is so open to interpretation intentionally, so that police can arrest anyone if they feel like it. Pigs are fucked
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Postby radiojake on Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:34 pm

reminisco wrote:
it all depends on the Judge. some judges completely hate 'resisting arrest' charges. especially when its the only charge the perp is up for.


That's hilarious when that happens. What we're they being arrested for in the first place when they resisted? It's happened to quite a few people I know
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Postby fwblb on Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:16 pm

I would be allowed to leave work to go protest. I would just have to have enough paid time off to do it. We can take unpaid vacations too, but they are frowned upon. I guess it meant enough to those people to show up and protest. I am all about peaceful demonstrations, but with a lot of pissed off people, chances are it will get out of control.

And anyway, I am looking forward to my rebate check so I can finish stuff around the house. I don't want those people shutting down the IRS just yet. :wink:
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Postby jimboston on Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:46 pm

radiojake wrote: Pigs are fucked


GFY

Police put their lives on the line every day to protect the general public.

Certainly some police can be asses, or over-zealous... and in some places these types of officers may be more common than in other places; possibly due to some local department culture or just a "riskier" area. Yes... well publicized events do show that police can be corrupt as also. They are human just like the rest of us. These events however are few in this country (the US)... they just reasonate more as they are well publicized.

Overall the VAST VAST majority of police officers are good people who truly consider it to be their job to protect and serve the public. Anyone who disagree's with this is just an ass.

These comments are made about police in the US... and likely in most modern "western" countries. (Like Canada, western Europe, and Australia to name a few.) I do not extend these comments to "3rd World" countries... as I believe it's likely those places have a higher rate of corruption in goverment overall.

... for the record, I am not a cop... nor do I have any family members who are police.
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Postby InkL0sed on Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:58 pm

jimboston wrote:
radiojake wrote: Pigs are fucked


GFY

Police put their lives on the line every day to protect the general public.

Certainly some police can be asses, or over-zealous... and in some places these types of officers may be more common than in other places; possibly due to some local department culture or just a "riskier" area. Yes... well publicized events do show that police can be corrupt as also. They are human just like the rest of us. These events however are few in this country (the US)... they just reasonate more as they are well publicized.

Overall the VAST VAST majority of police officers are good people who truly consider it to be their job to protect and serve the public. Anyone who disagree's with this is just an ass.

These comments are made about police in the US... and likely in most modern "western" countries. (Like Canada, western Europe, and Australia to name a few.) I do not extend these comments to "3rd World" countries... as I believe it's likely those places have a higher rate of corruption in goverment overall.

... for the record, I am not a cop... nor do I have any family members who are police.


You are incredibly naive.
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Postby jimboston on Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:13 pm

InkL0sed wrote:
jimboston wrote:
radiojake wrote: Pigs are fucked


GFY

Police put their lives on the line every day to protect the general public.

Certainly some police can be asses, or over-zealous... and in some places these types of officers may be more common than in other places; possibly due to some local department culture or just a "riskier" area. Yes... well publicized events do show that police can be corrupt as also. They are human just like the rest of us. These events however are few in this country (the US)... they just reasonate more as they are well publicized.

Overall the VAST VAST majority of police officers are good people who truly consider it to be their job to protect and serve the public. Anyone who disagree's with this is just an ass.

These comments are made about police in the US... and likely in most modern "western" countries. (Like Canada, western Europe, and Australia to name a few.) I do not extend these comments to "3rd World" countries... as I believe it's likely those places have a higher rate of corruption in goverment overall.

... for the record, I am not a cop... nor do I have any family members who are police.


You are incredibly naive.


Please explain to me how I am "incredibly naive".

What specific points do you disagree with???

Not once did I say "No" police are corrupt... or "Never".

Do you think the majority of police are "Pigs" as the previous writer posted???

Please... enlighten me.
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Postby Jenos Ridan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:37 am

InkL0sed wrote:
jimboston wrote:
radiojake wrote: Pigs are fucked


GFY

Police put their lives on the line every day to protect the general public.

Certainly some police can be asses, or over-zealous... and in some places these types of officers may be more common than in other places; possibly due to some local department culture or just a "riskier" area. Yes... well publicized events do show that police can be corrupt as also. They are human just like the rest of us. These events however are few in this country (the US)... they just reasonate more as they are well publicized.

Overall the VAST VAST majority of police officers are good people who truly consider it to be their job to protect and serve the public. Anyone who disagree's with this is just an ass.

These comments are made about police in the US... and likely in most modern "western" countries. (Like Canada, western Europe, and Australia to name a few.) I do not extend these comments to "3rd World" countries... as I believe it's likely those places have a higher rate of corruption in goverment overall.

... for the record, I am not a cop... nor do I have any family members who are police.


You are incredibly naive.


Forwarning, I'm not cop. But.....

Like the man said, GFY! Misers like you should be beaten to a bloody pulp by their cell mates then violated nightly for life; same goes for Cop-Killers and the like. Don't like the law, go whine to you congressman (assuming you have clue one what that is, if not, you have google and wiki so get off your fat, stupid, doped-up, drug-dealing arse and do something useful for a change), failing that, vote his sorry ass out! Can't bother yourself to do even that, then drop dead right now.

That is how I feel about these sort of worthless crapsacks, don't like it, tough sh*t!
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Postby Battle-Rage on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:06 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
jimboston wrote:
radiojake wrote: Pigs are fucked


GFY

Police put their lives on the line every day to protect the general public.

Certainly some police can be asses, or over-zealous... and in some places these types of officers may be more common than in other places; possibly due to some local department culture or just a "riskier" area. Yes... well publicized events do show that police can be corrupt as also. They are human just like the rest of us. These events however are few in this country (the US)... they just reasonate more as they are well publicized.

Overall the VAST VAST majority of police officers are good people who truly consider it to be their job to protect and serve the public. Anyone who disagree's with this is just an ass.

These comments are made about police in the US... and likely in most modern "western" countries. (Like Canada, western Europe, and Australia to name a few.) I do not extend these comments to "3rd World" countries... as I believe it's likely those places have a higher rate of corruption in goverment overall.

... for the record, I am not a cop... nor do I have any family members who are police.


You are incredibly naive.


Forwarning, I'm not cop. But.....

Like the man said, GFY! Misers like you should be beaten to a bloody pulp by their cell mates then violated nightly for life; same goes for Cop-Killers and the like. Don't like the law, go whine to you congressman (assuming you have clue one what that is, if not, you have google and wiki so get off your fat, stupid, doped-up, drug-dealing arse and do something useful for a change), failing that, vote his sorry ass out! Can't bother yourself to do even that, then drop dead right now.

That is how I feel about these sort of worthless crapsacks, don't like it, tough sh*t!


Stereotyping.

I know alot of police, as my ex-missus is a police prosecutor, and one of my best mates is a sergeant.

Alot of police are pigs, sick twisted pricks that should themselves be behind bars. I know this first hand. Some of them confess it as much, claiming its the nature of the job that made them that way :?

And alot of police are quality people, doing a shit job that holds the threads of society together. Moral-bound, good folks that genuinely care about the welfare of citizens.

Its a power position, but not a desirable one, i think.

I think we forget they are just people in general though, with different personalities.
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Postby Jenos Ridan on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:23 am

Which is why I tell people to get off the policeman's back and ride herd on the politicians; change the laws, don't sit on your hands and whine about them. I especially despise people who blame the guys whos sad duty it is to put up with stupid people. I have a repect for the law and the people who enforce it, same level of repect I give to veterans and servicemen. Bureaucrats, Politicians, Lawyers and Judges have to work a hell of a lot harder to earn my repect and most of them fall flat on their faces in epic fails.
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Postby DaGip on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:30 am

Rounding up activists for your public demonstrations is real hard work!


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Postby Skittles! on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:35 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:Which is why I tell people to get off the policeman's back and ride herd on the politicians; change the laws, don't sit on your hands and whine about them. I especially despise people who blame the guys whos sad duty it is to put up with stupid people. I have a repect for the law and the people who enforce it, same level of repect I give to veterans and servicemen. Bureaucrats, Politicians, Lawyers and Judges have to work a hell of a lot harder to earn my repect and most of them fall flat on their faces in epic fails.

You respect people who, not all of them, mind you, take bribes from druggies to keep quiet?

nice.
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Postby radiojake on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:51 am

jimboston wrote:
radiojake wrote: Pigs are fucked


GFY


Nice

Obviously, I was generalizing, but I don't like cops and I have no respect for them. I have come across very few 'good' cops and a hell of a lot of assholes.

The role of the police is to protect property and the rich - and they're given permission to use force.
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Postby heavycola on Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:14 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
jimboston wrote:
radiojake wrote: Pigs are fucked


GFY

Police put their lives on the line every day to protect the general public.

Certainly some police can be asses, or over-zealous... and in some places these types of officers may be more common than in other places; possibly due to some local department culture or just a "riskier" area. Yes... well publicized events do show that police can be corrupt as also. They are human just like the rest of us. These events however are few in this country (the US)... they just reasonate more as they are well publicized.

Overall the VAST VAST majority of police officers are good people who truly consider it to be their job to protect and serve the public. Anyone who disagree's with this is just an ass.

These comments are made about police in the US... and likely in most modern "western" countries. (Like Canada, western Europe, and Australia to name a few.) I do not extend these comments to "3rd World" countries... as I believe it's likely those places have a higher rate of corruption in goverment overall.

... for the record, I am not a cop... nor do I have any family members who are police.


You are incredibly naive.


Forwarning, I'm not cop. But.....

Like the man said, GFY! Misers like you should be beaten to a bloody pulp by their cell mates then violated nightly for life; same goes for Cop-Killers and the like. Don't like the law, go whine to you congressman (assuming you have clue one what that is, if not, you have google and wiki so get off your fat, stupid, doped-up, drug-dealing arse and do something useful for a change), failing that, vote his sorry ass out! Can't bother yourself to do even that, then drop dead right now.

That is how I feel about these sort of worthless crapsacks, don't like it, tough sh*t!


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Postby jimboston on Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:37 am

radiojake wrote:
jimboston wrote:
radiojake wrote: Pigs are fucked


GFY


Nice

Obviously, I was generalizing, but I don't like cops and I have no respect for them. I have come across very few 'good' cops and a hell of a lot of assholes.

The role of the police is to protect property and the rich - and they're given permission to use force.


The role of the police is to maintain order and uphold the law.

In some cases this means they protect property and the rich.
Not most....

Day to day... more likely than not... the police are protecting "poor" people from other "poor" people who prey on them.

Saying "Pigs are fucked" in the context you said it was NOT generalizing. Not even close. Sorry... you were stating something as if it were a fact... and the way you wrote it was such that every reader could only interpret it to mean you believe that ALL police are "Pigs" and ALL "Pigs are fucked". No generalization there.

Final thought... you likely have met "a hell of a lot of asshole" cops because of the situations you put yourself in. Even if you find yourself in a bad situation... if you assume the police are going to be "pigs"... then you will likely act in a way that will inflame the situatution. If you assume they police are going to treat you with as much respect as possible... and you give them respect... then you are likely to act in a manner which will deflame the situation. It's a self-fulfilling "prophecy"...

Maybe if you re-evaluate your world-view... you'll find out that those 'Pigs" are just people... much like yourself. You'll be happier for it.
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Postby radiojake on Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:19 am

jimboston wrote:
Maybe if you re-evaluate your world-view... you'll find out that those 'Pigs" are just people... much like yourself. You'll be happier for it.



I know they're just people, that's why it pisses me off so much that they are given so much power. Who are they to take on the role of 'society's watchdog' - f*ck that.. Power corrupts absolute - no one should have any of that power (goes for politicians and ceo's too) - Everyone is scared of autonomy, it's sad really
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Postby jimboston on Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:47 am

radiojake wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Maybe if you re-evaluate your world-view... you'll find out that those 'Pigs" are just people... much like yourself. You'll be happier for it.



I know they're just people, that's why it pisses me off so much that they are given so much power. Who are they to take on the role of 'society's watchdog' - f*ck that.. Power corrupts absolute - no one should have any of that power (goes for politicians and ceo's too) - Everyone is scared of autonomy, it's sad really


Who are they to "take on the role of societ'y watchdog"?

They are men & women who are hired by other men & women... who are ultimately hired by people we elect... to maintain order and uphold laws made by other people we elect.

Power does corrupt... some.

That is why you need safeguards to watchover the police and to review complaints. The safeguards we have are not perfect... nothing is. I do however believe that what we have now is better than anything ever created by man to this point in time.

People are not scared of autonomy... I firmly believe you should be held responsible for your autonomous actions. I also believe that if you work hard and make the right decisions you are more likely to achieve the goals you set for yourself.

At the same time... we live in a world where large numbers pf people live together in close proximity.

What would you propose... no police? Then stronger people would just take away from weaker people... people would then band together in groups (gangs) to help defend themselves from other groups of people. This is the nature of humanity.... and I don't have time or inclination to go into detail.

The simple fact is people can not "just live" together in peace and harmony. Some people will violate that peace and harmony for thier own benefit. Laws and rules and police are mankinds answer to that.

Until human nature changes... police will be needed.
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