Don't take my word for it.....take theirs.

[mr. incrediball]

Look, if anyone does not think that within 30 years there will be a world government, then you be niave.

and how exactly is a worldwide government a bad thing?

is it just that you and jay don't want to share your respective countries?

[jay_a2j]

like Obama is going to tell you the truth!?

And a random guy on the internet who you've never met is? You're saying we should just blindly trust complete randoms who can't produce evidence to back up their ideas, but not trust people whose every word is subject to intense scrutiny and rigorous fact-checking?

Why does your determination to question information abandon you the moment that somebody starts saying what you want to hear? Your double-standards amaze me.

jay this is a point you should not be permitted to evade, BTW.

Still haven't answered me Jay... why so evasive?

It doesn't DM. For years I listened to "911 was in inside job" and IGNORED them! I then LOOKED into it. Now, if you would like to post links that discredit, Aaron Russo, Ron Paul, all the youtube video's, all the news reports, Lou Dobbs, etc. FEEL FREE!

[Nappy crier]

Well, timing will certainly be sooner rather than later.

And if you're interested in the upbringing of the EU, and it's historical roots, then read "The great deception"...no doubt any of you will, or even listen to a fuck-head like me, and to be honest, I've spoon-fed enough people on this website.

I couldn't give a fying f*ck anymore, and certainly not for those who are/ have been willfully massochistic with regards to their own national soveriegnty....not my fucking problem anymore. Not that any of you have even the least bit of insigt into what I know to be fact...there's only so many hours in the day that I can use to educate you lot, and why should I?

I'm gonna be in the top tier, why should I heave you rats up with me?

[jay_a2j]

Look, if anyone does not think that within 30 years there will be a world government, then you be niave.

and how exactly is a worldwide government a bad thing?

is it just that you and jay don't want to share your respective countries?

It's not going to be a one world government with BETTY CROCKER running it! WE WILL BE SLAVES! nm....just don't ever say, "Why did no one warn of of this stuff?"

[Snorri1234]

It doesn't DM. For years I listened to "911 was in inside job" and IGNORED them! I then LOOKED into it. Now, if you would like to post links that discredit, Aaron Russo, Ron Paul, all the youtube video's, all the news reports, Lou Dobbs, etc. FEEL FREE!

I think Ron Paul does a fine job of discrediting himself as it is.

[Nappy crier]

Look, if anyone does not think that within 30 years there will be a world government, then you be niave.

and how exactly is a worldwide government a bad thing?

is it just that you and jay don't want to share your respective countries?

No, I don't.

Why should I barter off the blood of my industrious ancestors for that of a dark-aged, regressive culture that offers nothing to me?

[Snorri1234]

WE WILL BE SLAVES!

Why?

[Nappy crier]

WE WILL BE SLAVES!

Why?

I fucking won't be...

[Juan_Bottom]

Ignoring the NWO stuff..............

I am the only one here who is watching these latin american countries banning together in their own union? How about Africans trying to form a continental union? What about the SPP holding secret meetings? I think that you are right to assume world politics are changing. But I don't think that you can prove any one group to be behind it. I think that you should stick to unavoidable facts when you talk about something like this with someone who has no idea what your talking about. And for those who don't know about these potential 3 new unions.... you are dumb.

And GOOGLE has fought, tooth and nail, against all government intervention inside their company. So I think free speech is still alive within Google.
And yes, I do think that YouTube is often a poor site to reference. But I think Wiki is waaaayyyyyy worse.

[jay_a2j]

WE WILL BE SLAVES!

Why?

I fucking won't be...

Why so confident?

[Snorri1234]

I think that you are right to assume world politics are changing. But I don't think that you can prove any one group to be behind it.

Exactly. There is no secret group. It's just people realising they will be stronger with more people and more resources.

Countries are forming coalitions with like-minded countries because it will make them stronger, not because they secretly want to enslave the population.

[jay_a2j]

I think that you are right to assume world politics are changing. But I don't think that you can prove any one group to be behind it.

Exactly. There is no secret group. It's just people realising they will be stronger with more people and more resources.

Countries are forming coalitions with like-minded countries because it will make them stronger, not because they secretly want to enslave the population.

rofl...ya ok.

[Nappy crier]

WE WILL BE SLAVES!

Why?

I fucking won't be...

Why so confident?

I know me. I'm the biggest criticiser of myself. I ensure I'm in the higher echelons of my jurasdiction. Else, I would feel useless and threatened.

[Snorri1234]

I think that you are right to assume world politics are changing. But I don't think that you can prove any one group to be behind it.

Exactly. There is no secret group. It's just people realising they will be stronger with more people and more resources.

Countries are forming coalitions with like-minded countries because it will make them stronger, not because they secretly want to enslave the population.

rofl...ya ok.

You're right! It's much more probable that there is some huge conspiracy of which only random guys on the internet have heard!

Gordon Brown said we were moving towards a New World Order, obviously he can't be discredited as he's a Prime-Minister! (We are ignoring the fact he's british and the whole of britain doesn't even like Europe. We're good at ignoring facts!)

[Nickbaldwin]

I think that you are right to assume world politics are changing. But I don't think that you can prove any one group to be behind it.

Exactly. There is no secret group. It's just people realising they will be stronger with more people and more resources.

Countries are forming coalitions with like-minded countries because it will make them stronger, not because they secretly want to enslave the population.

rofl...ya ok.

You're right! It's much more probable that there is some huge conspiracy of which only random guys on the internet have heard!

Gordon Brown said we were moving towards a New World Order, obviously he can't be discredited as he's a Prime-Minister! (We are ignoring the fact he's british and the whole of britain doesn't even like Europe. We're good at ignoring facts!)

Please don't lump old Gordon in with the rest of us.

Thankyou.

[Dancing Mustard]

It doesn't DM. For years I listened to "911 was in inside job" and IGNORED them! I then LOOKED into it. Now, if you would like to post links that discredit, Aaron Russo, Ron Paul, all the youtube video's, all the news reports, Lou Dobbs, etc. FEEL FREE!

[/quote]That still doesn't answer the question though, does it?

Why should we just trust unidentified strangers on the internet who we've never met is? Why is it that we should just blindly trust the hearsay claims of complete randoms who can't produce evidence to back up their ideas, but not trust people whose every word is subject to intense scrutiny and rigorous fact-checking?

Why are people in suits automatically untrustworthy, but faceless people making speculative unevidence claims and talking over creepy-music to be regarded as 100% accurate?

[2dimes]

You've got it all wrong Jay, this one world government will be the greatest thing that ever happened.

They will appear after the economic collapse of the former United States and many other countries, bring them out of the food shortages being started now. They will offer the lowest tax that's been seen for centuries. Then by eliminating nationalism war will be a thing of the past.

People that are not caught up in bible stuff like wanting eternal life in paradise will love it, in fact I would venture to say they will worship the new world order. Their soul is a pretty small price for all that greatness, no? After all they sort of get to gain the whole world.

[Juan_Bottom]

It doesn't DM. For years I listened to "911 was in inside job" and IGNORED them! I then LOOKED into it. Now, if you would like to post links that discredit, Aaron Russo, Ron Paul, all the youtube video's, all the news reports, Lou Dobbs, etc. FEEL FREE!

That still doesn't answer the question though, does it?

Why should we just trust unidentified strangers on the internet who we've never met is? Why is it that we should just blindly trust the hearsay claims of complete randoms who can't produce evidence to back up their ideas, but not trust people whose every word is subject to intense scrutiny and rigorous fact-checking?

Why are people in suits automatically untrustworthy, but faceless people making speculative unevidence claims and talking over creepy-music to be regarded as 100% accurate?[/quote]

While I agree with what you're saying, I don't agree about what you're saying it about. At this point, I think 911 has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have been perpetrated by my government. Many, many "trustworthy" people have come foreward. Even Condelezza Rice was forced to admit that she knew that the attacks were coming, and only warned important officials. And she wears a suit.

[Snorri1234]

Even Condelezza Rice was forced to admit that she knew that the attacks were coming, and only warned important officials. And she wears a suit.

Just because the government proved to be a bunch of stupid fucks (no suprises there) doesn't mean the attacks were caused by the government.

I really can't understand why people think the government could pull of such an enormous stunt, perfectly coördinated, while knowing this is the same government that has proven to be made up off complete and utter idiots.

You are giving the credit of the most secretive and well peformed conspiracy to the same people who made such huge mistakes in, for example, attacking Iraq.

[Dancing Mustard]

While I agree with what you're saying, I don't agree about what you're saying it about.

Perhaps you could be a little more clear. What is it that you think I'm saying "why trust faceless randoms automatically, when you spend your life saying not to trust people who might have agendas?" about?

At this point, I think 911 has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have been perpetrated by my government.

Nah.

That's a bit too bold I'm afraid. Arguments to be had, sure. But go read (then necro) one of the old threads about it if you really want to talk about it (because your theory is pretty far from 'beyond shadow of lalala').

Many, many "trustworthy" people have come foreward. Even Condelezza Rice was forced to admit that she knew that the attacks were coming, and only warned important officials. And she wears a suit.

Meh.

That fact doesn't unequivocally support the "inside job" theory though does it? There's several inferences that you could draw from it, some of which do, and some of which don't, support your theory... but claiming that those words are an admission of conspiracy is just a bit overeager.

Also, that passage of text doesn't answer the question which Jay is so frantically dodging, which is why he's so willing to close his eyes and trust faceless hearsay (then pass it off as 'research'), when he spends his waking hours railing about not trusting anything which might be a lie.

[jay_a2j]

You've got it all wrong Jay, this one world government will be the greatest thing that ever happened.

They will appear after the economic collapse of the former United States and many other countries, bring them out of the food shortages being started now. They will offer the lowest tax that's been seen for centuries. Then by eliminating nationalism war will be a thing of the past.

People that are not caught up in bible stuff like wanting eternal life in paradise will love it, in fact I would venture to say they will worship the new world order. Their soul is a pretty small price for all that greatness, no? After all they sort of get to gain the whole world.

Nice to see someone else has connected end time prophesy with the nwo. Forrunner777 has some good youtube video's. Hmmm he's a Christian and a nwo conspiracy "(insert favorite insult here)". Or choose from this list: "nutjob","whacko", "loon", "tinfoil hat".

[jay_a2j]

I really can't understand why people think the government could pull of such an enormous stunt, perfectly coördinated, while knowing this is the same government that has proven to be made up off complete and utter idiots.

Yet, we are to believe 19 kids with boxcutters pulled it off???????

[2dimes]

I really can't understand why people think the government could pull of such an enormous stunt, perfectly coördinated, while knowing this is the same government that has proven to be made up off complete and utter idiots.

There's some key things in that statement.

How did the formerly best country on the planet (Anyone that disagrees is in total denial. It's becoming a shell of it's former self yet it's still a fairly great place.) turn out to be governed by the current administration? And regardless of who, how and why it happened, 911 has far too much of an influence on everything.

I understand it how horrible it was, I remember watching it on T.V. that day. Yet it is a very isolated event that happened in two cities 7 years+ ago and the western world can't recover.

[Snorri1234]

I really can't understand why people think the government could pull of such an enormous stunt, perfectly coördinated, while knowing this is the same government that has proven to be made up off complete and utter idiots.

Yet, we are to believe 19 kids with boxcutters pulled it off???????

They had a cause, they were willing to fucking die for it.

And you are missing the point here. It's much easier for a bunch of "kids" (sure they were adults but whatever..) to capture a bunch of planes than for a government to peform an operation that looks like it was pulled off by terrorists while leaving as evidence a bunch of obscure pictures and testimonies of people who thought they saw something suspicious (which usually don't explain much).

If they were so formidably good at this, they surely have the power to delete youtube-videos and silence a few people? Come on man, they coördinated a massive attack with noone actually spilling the beans or so, and they can't do that?

[Juan_Bottom]

Even Condelezza Rice was forced to admit that she knew that the attacks were coming, and only warned important officials. And she wears a suit.

Just because the government proved to be a bunch of stupid fucks (no suprises there) doesn't mean the attacks were caused by the government.

I really can't understand why people think the government could pull of such an enormous stunt, perfectly coördinated, while knowing this is the same government that has proven to be made up off complete and utter idiots.

You are giving the credit of the most secretive and well peformed conspiracy to the same people who made such huge mistakes in, for example, attacking Iraq.

To pull it off, you just shut up about it. I BELIEVE that they had the Israelis do it. But that is speculation, based on what I know.

And it was terribly coordinated. Nothing happened to Tower 7, it just collapsed. It was a government leased building that the CIA claimed had been completly abandoned. But a dozen fireman have claimed to have seen bodies inside the building with bullet-holes in their skulls.

And the lease holder of tower 7 publically stated ON CAMERA that this building WAS a controlled demolition, and that the government was going to lie about it in the official report. The official report claimed that the building was hit by a piece of flaming debris, and collapsed in a fire. It was also the first building that anyone found traces of cordite in. This building is the hallmark of terribly coordinated. That's why the media NEVER shows it on tv, or talks about it.

And you should never take the stance of believing that some men in a cave could do a job that the U.S. couldn't.

And Iraq wasn't a mistake... McClellans new book even says that the Bush Admin lied to get us to attack Iraq. He wanted to go there.....