When did we cross the line?

[Gregrios]

I swear to God this is like pounding a nail into a rock. Right when I think it's starting to sink in, it bounces right back out.

[strike wolf]

Don't worry the feeling's mutual.

[Ditocoaf]

I swear to God this is like pounding a nail into a rock. Right when I think it's starting to sink in, it bounces right back out.

Okay, maybe there's a way to repair the disconnect here: give us an example of what you mean by modern-time fiction (that had no origins in real life), that is determining real life?

[Gregrios]

but strikewolf was talking about an actual hero that became legend over time. I was referring to something else--legends that arose out of the storyteller's minds.

Care to provide an example?

[Ditocoaf]

but strikewolf was talking about an actual hero that became legend over time. I was referring to something else--legends that arose out of the storyteller's minds.

Care to provide an example?

Not all legeneds of supernaturally great warriors (like what I was talking about) originated in real people.

I've given my example. It's time for you to give your modern-day example, and explain how it's nothing like my ancient example.

[Gregrios]

I swear to God this is like pounding a nail into a rock. Right when I think it's starting to sink in, it bounces right back out.

Okay, maybe there's a way to repair the disconnect here: give us an example of what you mean by modern-time fiction (that had no origins in real life), that is determining real life?

By modern fiction I'm referring to basiclly evrything on TV. Everything from personality, ideals, orginizations, morals or lack of, perception, and obligation. You name it and it's been done. Lying being cool, having sex being cool, government organizations being formed, perception of areas or places that we have no idea about, convient life obligations, and proper ideals of the gender can all be traced back to the big screen. It's hanging right infront of everyone's face to be seen and yet it's being blissfully ignored.

There are also some good things that the tube has installed into society but I only listed the most recent installments.(last 5 years or so)

[Ditocoaf]

So you're saying that "sex is fun" originated completely on the screen, and not at all in society, but in ancient times "you become more powerful if you kill many men in battle" came completely from society, and not at all from stories?

[Gregrios]

but strikewolf was talking about an actual hero that became legend over time. I was referring to something else--legends that arose out of the storyteller's minds.

Care to provide an example?

Not all legeneds of supernaturally great warriors (like what I was talking about) originated in real people.

I've given my example. It's time for you to give your modern-day example, and explain how it's nothing like my ancient example.

Just for the record, you've only provided me with a hypethetical example.

[Skittles!]

Anyone else feel like shooting themselves in the head after reading what Greg is saying?

[Iliad]

I swear to God this is like pounding a nail into a rock. Right when I think it's starting to sink in, it bounces right back out.

Okay, maybe there's a way to repair the disconnect here: give us an example of what you mean by modern-time fiction (that had no origins in real life), that is determining real life?

By modern fiction I'm referring to basiclly evrything on TV. Everything from personality, ideals, orginizations, morals or lack of, perception, and obligation. You name it and it's been done. Lying being cool, having sex being cool, government organizations being formed, perception of areas or places that we have no idea about, convient life obligations, and proper ideals of the gender can all be traced back to the big screen. It's hanging right infront of everyone's face to be seen and yet it's being blissfully ignored.

There are also some good things that the tube has installed into society but I only listed the most recent installments.(last 5 years or so)

so the idea that having sex being cool is only 5 years old?

[Iliad]

Anyone else feel like shooting themselves in the head after reading what Greg is saying?

Me

[Frigidus]

I swear to God this is like pounding a nail into a rock. Right when I think it's starting to sink in, it bounces right back out.

Okay, maybe there's a way to repair the disconnect here: give us an example of what you mean by modern-time fiction (that had no origins in real life), that is determining real life?

By modern fiction I'm referring to basiclly evrything on TV. Everything from personality, ideals, orginizations, morals or lack of, perception, and obligation. You name it and it's been done. Lying being cool, having sex being cool, government organizations being formed, perception of areas or places that we have no idea about, convient life obligations, and proper ideals of the gender can all be traced back to the big screen. It's hanging right infront of everyone's face to be seen and yet it's being blissfully ignored.

There are also some good things that the tube has installed into society but I only listed the most recent installments.(last 5 years or so)

Television has been shaped by our culture, not the other way around.

[Gregrios]

So you're saying that "sex is fun" originated completely on the screen, and not at all in society, but in ancient times "you become more powerful if you kill many men in battle" came completely from society, and not at all from stories?

Although you're putting words into my mouth by saying I used the term "fun" I will answer according to what I said. Being "cool" (the term I used) DOES originate from the tube.

[Skittles!]

So you're saying that "sex is fun" originated completely on the screen, and not at all in society, but in ancient times "you become more powerful if you kill many men in battle" came completely from society, and not at all from stories?

Although you're putting words into my mouth by saying I used the term "fun" I will answer according to what I said. Being "cool" (the term I used) DOES originate from the tube.

No.. It doesn't.

[Iliad]

So you're saying that "sex is fun" originated completely on the screen, and not at all in society, but in ancient times "you become more powerful if you kill many men in battle" came completely from society, and not at all from stories?

Although you're putting words into my mouth by saying I used the term "fun" I will answer according to what I said. Being "cool" (the term I used) DOES originate from the tube.

the sex revolution has nothing to do with television

[Gregrios]

I swear to God this is like pounding a nail into a rock. Right when I think it's starting to sink in, it bounces right back out.

Okay, maybe there's a way to repair the disconnect here: give us an example of what you mean by modern-time fiction (that had no origins in real life), that is determining real life?

By modern fiction I'm referring to basiclly evrything on TV. Everything from personality, ideals, orginizations, morals or lack of, perception, and obligation. You name it and it's been done. Lying being cool, having sex being cool, government organizations being formed, perception of areas or places that we have no idea about, convient life obligations, and proper ideals of the gender can all be traced back to the big screen. It's hanging right infront of everyone's face to be seen and yet it's being blissfully ignored.

There are also some good things that the tube has installed into society but I only listed the most recent installments.(last 5 years or so)

Television has been shaped by our culture, not the other way around.

It did for a long time, I agree.

[Gregrios]

I swear to God this is like pounding a nail into a rock. Right when I think it's starting to sink in, it bounces right back out.

Okay, maybe there's a way to repair the disconnect here: give us an example of what you mean by modern-time fiction (that had no origins in real life), that is determining real life?

By modern fiction I'm referring to basiclly evrything on TV. Everything from personality, ideals, orginizations, morals or lack of, perception, and obligation. You name it and it's been done. Lying being cool, having sex being cool, government organizations being formed, perception of areas or places that we have no idea about, convient life obligations, and proper ideals of the gender can all be traced back to the big screen. It's hanging right infront of everyone's face to be seen and yet it's being blissfully ignored.

There are also some good things that the tube has installed into society but I only listed the most recent installments.(last 5 years or so)

so the idea that having sex being cool is only 5 years old?

You know the answer to that just as well as I do. It's just increased over the last 5 years or so. It's been promoted for a while though. Remember the Fonz?

It used to be the odd show would do this but now it's pretty much every show or movie you watch. How can you sit there and deny that? Seriously.

[Ditocoaf]

Sex was cool way before the age of television. Summer of '69 anyone? Do you think those people spent hours in front of televisions?

[Neoteny]

Sex was cool way before the age of television. Summer of '69 anyone? Do you think those people spent hours in front of televisions?

Does anyone actually know what people did after the Anthem back then? Surely they all just went to bed...

[Gregrios]

This is too much!

Believe it or deny it. I don't much care. I suceeded in what I wanted to do, the rest is up to you.

[Skittles!]

Hey Greg... To the answer to your sig.

Maybe it's cause you spelt believe wrong.

[Gregrios]

Hey Greg... To the answer to your sig.

Maybe it's cause you spelt believe wrong.

You're right. I did. Thanks dog.

[Ditocoaf]

:lol:

This is too much!

Believe it or deny it. I don't much care. I suceeded in what I wanted to do, the rest is up to you.

What did you set out to do with this thread? Did you not intend to discuss the issue? Or did you intend to make some sort of point to yourself, based on our reaction?

[Skittles!]

Hey Greg... To the answer to your sig.

Maybe it's cause you spelt believe wrong.

You're right. I did. Thanks dog.

Please don't refer to me as a dog, or I'll have to refer to you as a snail - limited intellect except to eat, reproduce and get from one place to another.

[jonesthecurl]

Once upon a time, reality dictated fiction.

Not anymore!

It now seems as though the exact opposite occurs. Now fiction dictates reality!

Of course this is the oldest trick in the book.

Get people familiar with a certain idea either through tv shows or movies and preceed to install the idea into everyday life. It's absolutely brilliant!

How long are we going to allow this kind of laugh behind our back manipulation to continue.

....or is it ok with you if our very lifestyle is dictated by the very entertainment from which we've grown so comfortable with?

Curly. You should try reading the whole post and maybe then you won't come across as a bonehead.

Nope. I just read it again, and again when you re-posted the same thing (an annoying habit, but the way). I still don't have the first idea what you're yammering on about.

Apart from anything else, how can something which has changed matters (what matters have changed, and what it is that's changed it, is totally obscure) and yet be the oldest trick in the book?

That's like having a new improved traditional recipe.