Greenday is awsome! IS WINS!

[InkL0sed]

the british would say I saw the band greenday, playing a song

Exactly... the band is playing a song. Not, "the band are playing a song." To be consistent with the rest of the english language, the noun should be either a plural noun or a singular noun. If it has a singular article, it should have a singular predicate.

Here's the uber correct explanation: http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/collectivenoun.htm

But this leaves thing open to debate, really. And here's a shorter explanation that's exactly what I'm saying: http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/020.html

I win.

[InkL0sed]

Also, I can't vote, because I need a "both" option.

[Ditocoaf]

the british would say I saw the band greenday, playing a song

Exactly... the band is playing a song. Not, "the band are playing a song." To be consistent with the rest of the english language, the noun should be either a plural noun or a singular noun. If it has a singular article, it should have a singular predicate.

Here's the uber correct explanation: http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/collectivenoun.htm

But this leaves thing open to debate, really. And here's a shorter explanation that's exactly what I'm saying: http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/020.html

I win.

From that "uber correct" explanation:

After the three-hour practice under the brutal sun, the team shower, change into their street clothes, and head to their air-conditioned homes.

Team = plural; shower, change, head = plural verbs; their = a plural pronoun...

if "Team = plural", then how come it's THE team? THIS PISSES ME OFF! Which is why I posted a thread about how much cooler science is than the humanities.

[InkL0sed]

Dito, "the" means nothing.

See:

The boy.

The boys.

QED.

PS. And by "uber correct", I really meant "silly". I hate people who try to make grammar too reasonable, because it's actually pretty irrational.

[DaGip]

Green Day sounds like a whiny punk...they were good when they were fresh and new, but now I really just hate listening to their whiny melancholy music. Give me Louie Armstrong any day!

[Ditocoaf]

Dito, "the" means nothing.

See:

The boy.

The boys.

QED.

PS. And by "uber correct", I really meant "silly". I hate people who try to make grammar too reasonable, because it's actually pretty irrational.

Which is why I hate grammar. It's just arbitrary and pointless. Language itself is so fucking limited, and far too much of humanities time is spent resolving "deep" problems that really just stem from our poor use of communication.

[animorpherv1]

I bet Fircoal is enjoying this.

[pimpdave]

PS. And by "uber correct", I really meant "silly". I hate people who try to make grammar too reasonable, because it's actually pretty irrational.

No, youse da beotch bein up in tha muthafuckin irrational. You don't know me! DAYMN!

[InkL0sed]

Dito, "the" means nothing.

See:

The boy.

The boys.

QED.

PS. And by "uber correct", I really meant "silly". I hate people who try to make grammar too reasonable, because it's actually pretty irrational.

Which is why I hate grammar. It's just arbitrary and pointless. Language itself is so fucking limited, and far too much of humanities time is spent resolving "deep" problems that really just stem from our poor use of communication.

Language is simply a reflection of how we think. It's only as limited as we ourselves are limited (which I would say is actually pretty limited).

[Ditocoaf]

Dito, "the" means nothing.

See:

The boy.

The boys.

QED.

PS. And by "uber correct", I really meant "silly". I hate people who try to make grammar too reasonable, because it's actually pretty irrational.

Which is why I hate grammar. It's just arbitrary and pointless. Language itself is so fucking limited, and far too much of humanities time is spent resolving "deep" problems that really just stem from our poor use of communication.

Language is simply a reflection of how we think. It's only as limited as we ourselves are limited (which I would say is actually pretty limited).

Yep. I'll post an example of what I mean in my anger thread.

[Kingdroid]

I support this thread

[animorpherv1]

I find this thread amusing. This meant to be a Greenday thread, but it turned into a grammar thread! Grammar FTW!

[Pedronicus]

the british would say I saw the band greenday, playing a song

That's correct, but so is "I saw a band, greenday, playing a song" because I could also say "I saw a band playing a song."

if i spoke as you wrote, i would have to leave timed gaps where the commas are.
by using 'the' I'm able to speak quicker, because saying the or a doesn't take much more time to speak as a word.
the gaps required to suggest commas in speech makes the sentence unnecessarily 'jumpy' to listen to.

[Pedronicus]

we might of had a deciding vote if there wasn't a stupid cheese option to vote for

[pancakemix]

the british would say I saw the band greenday, playing a song

That's correct, but so is "I saw a band, greenday, playing a song" because I could also say "I saw a band playing a song."

if i spoke as you wrote, i would have to leave timed gaps where the commas are.
by using 'the' I'm able to speak quicker, because saying the or a doesn't take much more time to speak as a word.
the gaps required to suggest commas in speech makes the sentence unnecessarily 'jumpy' to listen to.

Regardless, that's still grammatically correct. "A band" is clarified by "Greenday". Either way, attacking my proper use of written language as opposed to spoken language is aside the issue. What I'm saying is, "Greenday are at the pavilion" sounds awkward because Greenday is singular and does not have the s sound to roll into the a. "Greenday is at the pavilion" just rolls much more nicely and is far more pleasing to the ear.

[animorpherv1]

Besides, Greendays doesn't make sense anyways.

[pimpdave]

Besides, Greendays doesn't make sense anyways.

Yeah, neither does that piece of shit band. Why didn't they fucking end with the 90s?

[jonesthecurl]

OK:
Here's one - what if the name of the band is plural?

The Beatles is playing*...
The Fugees is playing*...

surely not correct. Which leads us to question, if Green Day had called themselves "Greendays", whould it be IS awesome or ARE awesome?


Still bands.


* not that they is, of course...

[pancakemix]

If the band name is plural, then it's a plural proper because it refers to the people who make up the group rather than the group itself. For example:

The girls are walking into the mall.
as opposed to
The group of girls is walking into the mall.

[Ditocoaf]

If the band name is plural, then it's a plural proper because it refers to the people who make up the group rather than the group itself. For example:

The girls are walking into the mall.
as opposed to
The group of girls is walking into the mall.

yes. Because when the band is "The Beatles," one band member may be called "a Beatle" (if you want). So the band name refers to a group of more than one Beatle, and "The Beatles are..." makes sense.

[muy_thaiguy]

In short; Green Day sucks (as does most music that people try to pass off as rock now-a-days) as does some people's grammar.

And apparently in my English class, the grammar and spelling rules that I had grown up with are now "changed" to the point where people typing what they normally would on text messaging is now becoming acceptable in essays and reports. And this is in COLLEGE. In High School I was taught that text words were a no-no.

The hell happened in two years!?

[Nickbaldwin]

In short; Green Day sucks (as does most music that people try to pass off as rock now-a-days) as does some people's grammar.

I know, that AC/DC; shocking stuff.

[InsomniaRed]

This thread burns.

With the fires of 1000 evils...



Cheese is a much better topic

[Nickbaldwin]

Let's talk parmesan.

[InsomniaRed]

Let's talk parmesan.

How about PepperJack? I'm sure he'll get bored and lurk over this way sooner or later....