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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby AAFitz on Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:56 pm

JJM wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Of course they should be allowed to get married. Stop being ridiculous. What is this, the Dark Ages?
It saddens me that you say that. What happend to morals.


Some would say that blocking an entire group of people from something because they are different, and a minority was immoral.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby Skittles! on Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:56 pm

JJM wrote:
Simon Viavant wrote:
JJM wrote:
Simon Viavant wrote:If two guys want to live together and have butt sex and call it marriage, why do you have a problem with it?
It is morraly wrong besides calling it marriage is not the smae as aveing a marriage. That is just plain cruel to have a preist marry gays if he dosen't believe in it.

Then you don't have to force him to, just let them find a priest who believes in it.
There probably isn't a preist that believes in gay marriage. I don't think that I have ever heard of a preist that hasen't read the Bible.

Yay! Leviticus!

And believe it or not, there are churches out there that do allow Homosexuals (gasp!) in their priesthood.

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pimpdave wrote:Of course they should be allowed to get married. Stop being ridiculous. What is this, the Dark Ages?
It saddens me that you say that. What happend to morals.

It's sad you still can't spell happened.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby JJM on Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:57 pm

AAFitz wrote:
JJM wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
JJM wrote:Well good thing North Dakota is a conservative state. That way I know that we will never allow gay marriage.


Until the supreme court tells them that its unconstitutional to prohibit it you mean.
I don't think that will happen.


People didnt think slavery would end, that blacks would ride in the front, or that white/black marriages would be legal either.

That didnt make them correct.

You might want to read up on the subject a bit too.. Its closer than you think.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby lgoasklucyl on Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:58 pm

Where's the:

'Pissed off with the current state of affairs regarding the insensitivity to an oppressed, segregated minority group in a country where discrimination is supposedly 'frowned upon and against the law'' option?
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby THE ARMY on Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:59 pm

As said before, the Federal Governance was founded on Christianity which states marriage = man + woman. Leave it up to the States or call it something else.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby AAFitz on Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:59 pm

JJM wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
JJM wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
JJM wrote:Well good thing North Dakota is a conservative state. That way I know that we will never allow gay marriage.


Until the supreme court tells them that its unconstitutional to prohibit it you mean.
I don't think that will happen.


People didnt think slavery would end, that blacks would ride in the front, or that white/black marriages would be legal either.

That didnt make them correct.

You might want to read up on the subject a bit too.. Its closer than you think.
I would like to tell every gay in this country to read the Bible.


Even the muslim ones? Or the hindus? Or the atheists? Why would they waste their time with something they dont believe in. Just because you believe it, doesnt make it right.

Also, I heard there was a New Testament at one point. Came out a couple of thousand years or go or so. I remember the guy in that preaching some pretty interesting things about loving thy neighbor, and helping ones fellow man. I certainly know he frowned on any efforts to cause harm to groups of people, even sinners. You should check it out. Its kind of old, but Im sure there are some copies floating around somewhere.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby lgoasklucyl on Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:00 pm

JJM wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
JJM wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
JJM wrote:Well good thing North Dakota is a conservative state. That way I know that we will never allow gay marriage.


Until the supreme court tells them that its unconstitutional to prohibit it you mean.
I don't think that will happen.


People didnt think slavery would end, that blacks would ride in the front, or that white/black marriages would be legal either.

That didnt make them correct.

You might want to read up on the subject a bit too.. Its closer than you think.
I would like to tell every gay in this country to read the Bible.


Are you going to tell every African American, Jew, Homosexual, and every other group the Aryan Brotherhood preaches hatred against to read some Aryan Brotherhood guidebooks while your at it too?

If you're going to discriminate against one, might as well go the whole nine yards.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby Frigidus on Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:02 pm

JJM wrote:It is morraly wrong


Why?
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby lgoasklucyl on Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:03 pm

THE ARMY wrote:As said before, the Federal Governance was founded on Christianity which states marriage = man + woman. Leave it up to the States or call it something else.


So, the diverse country that we live in needs to live under the reign of one religion, despite the masses of different theological views that happen to exist?

What happened to 'separation of church and state?
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby AAFitz on Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:14 pm

THE ARMY wrote:As said before, the Federal Governance was founded on Christianity which states marriage = man + woman. Leave it up to the States or call it something else.



Christianity also calls Jesus God. Do we not allow muslims to worship allah? Im thinking they might not buy the " a christian wrote the constitution, so the US must be christian" especially since they were kind enough to specifically separate church and state. Its a small passage, but an important one nonetheless.

The Constitution was written by men, who were able to rise up to some degree above their prejudices and their motives, and create a malable document, that was founded on the basic premise, that all men are created equal, and that all men have certain unalienable rights. The right for two people to have a recognized union is arguably an unalienable right.

I dont think the constitution cares what christianity used for terms, because the country has far evolved passed one religion, and one race. It is a collection, and was made to allow change.

Just as all the religious people fought african/white marriges, and invitro-fertilization(which is now standard, and the reason for millions of lives, possibly even your own), and countless other "Sinful" things like keeping a store open on Sunday...they fight this. They ignore their own principles and teachings the entire time, and instead focus on the goal, in the hopes that the ends justify the means.

In this case, the means are wrong, and the end will be the same regardless.

We had some enlightened people here at the beginning of this country, and thank God for that.

They knew they couldnt fix all the problems with the world then, but they knew they could give us the tools to do it in the future.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby Frigidus on Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:38 pm

The Bible quote most commonly whipped out on this subject is Leviticus 18:22, which says

Leviticus 18:22 wrote:Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.


The rest of Leviticus 18 mentions a lot of things forbidden dealing with incest and bestiality, but it also includes the below passage.

Leviticus 18:19 wrote:Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.


Is, then, having sex with someone while on her period just as bad as homosexuality? That's just an example from one chapter of Leviticus. What about the following from throughout the entire book?

Leviticus 11:9-12 wrote:Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest. And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.


Note that the word "detestable" is used to describe both shellfish and gay sex. Are these about on par, then?

Leviticus 6:8-13 wrote:The LORD said to Moses: "Give Aaron and his sons this command: 'These are the regulations for the burnt offering: The burnt offering is to remain on the altar hearth throughout the night, till morning, and the fire must be kept burning on the altar. The priest shall then put on his linen clothes, with linen undergarments next to his body, and shall remove the ashes of the burnt offering that the fire has consumed on the altar and place them beside the altar. Then he is to take off these clothes and put on others, and carry the ashes outside the camp to a place that is ceremonially clean. The fire on the altar must be kept burning; it must not go out. Every morning the priest is to add firewood and arrange the burnt offering on the fire and burn the fat of the fellowship offerings on it. The fire must be kept burning on the altar continuously; it must not go out.


Animal sacrifices are, shockingly, no longer in practice; this despite chapters 1 through 7 of Leviticus dealing with the particulars of them.

Leviticus 25:44-46 wrote:Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly


Leviticus used to be quoted by Southerners in support of slavery prior to the Civil War. Now it's quoted by Southerners against gay marriage. Hm.

Why, exactly, is this particular book full of nonsense that even the most extreme of Christians don't buy into cherry picked to declare homosexuality immoral? And since when has all morality sprung from the Bible, anyways?
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby Skittles! on Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:39 pm

JJM wrote:I would like to tell every gay in this country to read the Bible.

Yee-haw ya'll.

Please, GFY. You're a massive troll.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby AAFitz on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:14 am

Martin Sheen had some fun with this one actually...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zhNiGlogQ

Though He missed this one which would have been a nice touch.

Timothy 2:9
"women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Though I suppose mentioning that she wore a "pearl necklace" would have been in bad taste for the president.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby xelabale on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:25 am

They got married? Why that's terrible, I shan't be their friends any more. Just because they love each other, they get to make a union of 2 people?? God's gonna be pissed off when he hears about that one, they'd better watch out. God's been quiet for a while too, he's gonna open a can of whoopass on those two, hooooey. Just because they love and respect each other somehow we should respect them too? I don't think so. I say split up those loving couples and discriminate against them, that's what the US of A stands for.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby JJM on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:45 am

Aside from the leggal part of gay marriage I do not understand how any christian can not believe it is morraly wrong. It is directly forbiden by the Bible.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:50 am

My vote - I don't care; men can have sex with men, women with women, men with horses, men with multiple women; states should do what they want.

Could one of you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to marriage? Further, could you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to homosexuality? I can't seem to find it, but I may be looking in the wrong place. Finally, if gay marriage is Constitutional, could someone explain to my why polygamy is not constitutional? I can't seem to find that one either.

On a sort of related note, does it bother anyone that there are a boatload of Catholics on the Supreme Court, and we may be adding one more?
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:54 am

thegreekdog wrote:My vote - I don't care; men can have sex with men, women with women, men with horses, men with multiple women; states should do what they want.

Could one of you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to marriage? Further, could you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to homosexuality? I can't seem to find it, but I may be looking in the wrong place. Finally, if gay marriage is Constitutional, could someone explain to my why polygamy is not constitutional? I can't seem to find that one either.

On a sort of related note, does it bother anyone that there are a boatload of Catholics on the Supreme Court, and we may be adding one more?

Some men even have sex with preserving jars... that is not something a person wants to see.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby JJM on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:57 am

thegreekdog wrote:My vote - I don't care; men can have sex with men, women with women, men with horses, men with multiple women; states should do what they want.

Could one of you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to marriage? Further, could you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to homosexuality? I can't seem to find it, but I may be looking in the wrong place. Finally, if gay marriage is Constitutional, could someone explain to my why polygamy is not constitutional? I can't seem to find that one either.

On a sort of related note, does it bother anyone that there are a boatload of Catholics on the Supreme Court, and we may be adding one more?
About your first paragraph that is not the same as them actually marreing.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:01 am

MeDeFe wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:My vote - I don't care; men can have sex with men, women with women, men with horses, men with multiple women; states should do what they want.

Could one of you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to marriage? Further, could you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to homosexuality? I can't seem to find it, but I may be looking in the wrong place. Finally, if gay marriage is Constitutional, could someone explain to my why polygamy is not constitutional? I can't seem to find that one either.

On a sort of related note, does it bother anyone that there are a boatload of Catholics on the Supreme Court, and we may be adding one more?

Some men even have sex with preserving jars... that is not something a person wants to see.


I'm not sure what preserving jars are, but I don't really want to see two gay men having sex. Doesn't mean it's wrong or that it's constitutional to prevent two gay men from having sex. I just want some consistency in the application of the Constitution, instead of randomly saying something is or is not constitutional just because a large enough group of people approve. Why is one of these sentences wrong to say and the other okay to say:

(1) "I think gay marriage is wrong, and therefore should be banned."
(2) "I think polygamy is wrong, and therefore should be banned."
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:25 am

MeDeFe wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:My vote - I don't care; men can have sex with men, women with women, men with horses, men with multiple women; states should do what they want.

Could one of you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to marriage? Further, could you please find where in the Constitution there is a right to homosexuality? I can't seem to find it, but I may be looking in the wrong place. Finally, if gay marriage is Constitutional, could someone explain to my why polygamy is not constitutional? I can't seem to find that one either.

On a sort of related note, does it bother anyone that there are a boatload of Catholics on the Supreme Court, and we may be adding one more?

Some men even have sex with preserving jars... that is not something a person wants to see.

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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby xelabale on Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:31 am

Is that the poo one?
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby jesusfreak16 on Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:33 am

[quote="Frigidus"]
Animal sacrifices are, shockingly, no longer in practice; this despite chapters 1 through 7 of Leviticus dealing with the particulars of them. [quote]



The ultimate sacrifice was made on a cross. This was the last sacrifice God required of His people, and those who come to know Him.
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:36 am

jesusfreak16 wrote:
Frigidus wrote:Animal sacrifices are, shockingly, no longer in practice; this despite chapters 1 through 7 of Leviticus dealing with the particulars of them.



The ultimate sacrifice was made on a cross. This was the last sacrifice God required of His people, and those who come to know Him.


Yet that sacrifice doesn't work for gay people who are still evil and wrong?
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:55 am

xelabale wrote:Is that the poo one?

Maybe some of it was, but most of it wasn't. He shouldn't have used a glass jar, I really need to get that out of my head somehow...
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Re: Opinions on Gay Marriage

Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:03 am

MeDeFe wrote:
xelabale wrote:Is that the poo one?

Maybe some of it was, but most of it wasn't. He shouldn't have used a glass jar, I really need to get that out of my head somehow...

Yeah, glass-jar was the biggest mistake ever.
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