Questionnaire for the Religious

[thegreekdog]

dancing mustered your ability to piss people off amazes me

I'm not sure anyone who is pissed has posted yet. Maybe there are people who are pissed that haven't posted?

[targetman377]

dancing mustered your ability to piss people off amazes me

I'm not sure anyone who is pissed has posted yet. Maybe there are people who are pissed that haven't posted?

i was reffering to the second post dm in another post pissed him off and i was complamenting him cause it was funny

[Iliad]

So every theist's response has been to shout fallacy and to preach how there is no sign of intelligent debate here. How about you try and show some fallacies in those questions? How are they straw men? How are they non sequitur?

[Gregrios]

dancing mustered your ability to piss people off amazes me

...but when he can't piss someone off, poor little DM gets all flustered.

[Woodruff]

I am confused as to why some find pleasure in winning debates against persons who are either of below-average intelligence, children, or who have faith in some sort of divine being.

I find it offensive that you've chosen to lump those three categories together... what on earth are you implying?

He was implying that these particular groups are the only ones you seem to believe you can win an argument against. And your initial post in this thread would seem to confirm that.

[targetman377]

dancing mustered your ability to piss people off amazes me

...but when he can't piss someone off, poor little DM gets all flustered.

i know i wonder what he did well he was away.

[thegreekdog]

So every theist's response has been to shout fallacy and to preach how there is no sign of intelligent debate here. How about you try and show some fallacies in those questions? How are they straw men? How are they non sequitur?

I was just simply pointing out the irony of DM posting in bedub's climate change thread (by copying said post) and then creating this thread. Both DM's thread and bedub's thread have the same goal in mind - get people riled up. So I therefore thought DM's answer to bedub's thread was appropriate to this one.

Hope that clears everything up from my end.

[Iliad]

So every theist's response has been to shout fallacy and to preach how there is no sign of intelligent debate here. How about you try and show some fallacies in those questions? How are they straw men? How are they non sequitur?

I was just simply pointing out the irony of DM posting in bedub's climate change thread (by copying said post) and then creating this thread. Both DM's thread and bedub's thread have the same goal in mind - get people riled up. So I therefore thought DM's answer to bedub's thread was appropriate to this one.

Hope that clears everything up from my end.

Appropriate except for the part whether it actually is true.

Oh well. Don't let that in get in your way.

[Skittles!]

So every theist's response has been to shout fallacy and to preach how there is no sign of intelligent debate here. How about you try and show some fallacies in those questions? How are they straw men? How are they non sequitur?

I was just simply pointing out the irony of DM posting in bedub's climate change thread (by copying said post) and then creating this thread. Both DM's thread and bedub's thread have the same goal in mind - get people riled up. So I therefore thought DM's answer to bedub's thread was appropriate to this one.

Hope that clears everything up from my end.

Appropriate except for the part whether it actually is true.

Oh well. Don't let that in get in your way.

What are you talking about? Why would he let it get in his way?

[Iliad]

So every theist's response has been to shout fallacy and to preach how there is no sign of intelligent debate here. How about you try and show some fallacies in those questions? How are they straw men? How are they non sequitur?

I was just simply pointing out the irony of DM posting in bedub's climate change thread (by copying said post) and then creating this thread. Both DM's thread and bedub's thread have the same goal in mind - get people riled up. So I therefore thought DM's answer to bedub's thread was appropriate to this one.

Hope that clears everything up from my end.

Appropriate except for the part whether it actually is true.

Oh well. Don't let that in get in your way.

What are you talking about? Why would he let it get in his way?

He found it appropriate to copy DM's response. Even if it didn't really fit.

PS: Avatar stealing is entering insane phase.

[muy_thaiguy]

So every theist's response has been to shout fallacy and to preach how there is no sign of intelligent debate here. How about you try and show some fallacies in those questions? How are they straw men? How are they non sequitur?

The quiz is too long. If you want to go through and answer every question in full and complete sentences, be my guest.

[Iliad]

So every theist's response has been to shout fallacy and to preach how there is no sign of intelligent debate here. How about you try and show some fallacies in those questions? How are they straw men? How are they non sequitur?

The quiz is too long. If you want to go through and answer every question in full and complete sentences, be my guest.

Questionnaire for the Religious

[Dancing Mustard]

Ahhh, morning, burning... enjoy the aforementioned smell, etc.

Anyway, let's dredge the swamp and pick out a few of the more choice nuggets of fail to respond to.

Atheists love their straw men.

And theists seem to love being unable to actually point them out.

"Boo hoo! You're not playing fair! Your arguments make me look stupid so I am sure that they must be straw men... I just can't seem to be able to point out why"

Cry us a river my man... but feel free to come back and explain your religion's manifold internal contradictions to us once you've pulled yourself together.

He was implying that these particular groups are the only ones you seem to believe you can win an argument against. And your initial post in this thread would seem to confirm that.

Wrong. I can win arguments against anybody. My genius is unassailable and manifest.

Also, my initial post confirmed nothing of the sort. Your second assertion is complete and utter nonsense.

...but when he can't piss someone off, poor little DM gets all flustered.

Dream on, my special little knuckle-dragger.

The only flustered people here are the theists (let's call them 'Gregrios' for ease of future reference) who can't answer the proposed questions about their allegedly iron-clad views.

Come back when you have something true to say, or when you feel ready to defend your far-out views with something other than clumsy trolling.


Anyway, good to see that (up to this point) no theist dares to take the test, or to point out why individual questions within it are unfair and/or disingenuous. So far; lots of sound and fury signifying nothing, not a lot of logical rebuttal.

Stay tuned for part 2 kids.

[Gregrios]

I already have in another thread, but then again, you know that.

[Dancing Mustard]

I already have in another thread

Have what?

The only other thread that you've made this morning is the self-contradicting one in which you generically insulted atheists and then claimed that they were the ones most keen on generically insulting people.

So far, no logical rebuttals. Lots of angry noise and palaver... but no concrete arguments or logical counter-attacks.

[Falkomagno]

indisputable....the questions made by DM are the prove that there is a strong DESIRE to believe in some religion, and then you try to defend it. By logical reasons, most ultra-believers just will say something like "gods works in misterious ways".

I would add this another question:

Since all the creation is made by a single act of God (about a couple of millennia from now), the knowledge about cellular process, mutations, and others biological process must to be:
a. Forbiden, because it can weaken the faith of many
b. Be taken as a prove of our faith, but not with any other medical applications.
c. Ignored, because "knowledge" has to be fake, so, it's uselss
d. I don't know, but let's pray

[Gregrios]

I already have in another thread

Have what?

The only other thread that you've made this morning is the self-contradicting one in which you generically insulted atheists and then claimed that they were the ones most keen on generically insulting people.

I never insulted anyone. If you read my post carefully, you'll discover that I didn't call anyone any names nor did I attack anyone's character. Just because the truth(yes that's right, all I spoke was the truth) offends someone doesn't automaticly make it an insult. An insult is determined by the intent and I assure you my intent was not to insult although I do see where one may think that.

[Dancing Mustard]

indisputable....the questions made by DM are the prove that there is a strong DESIRE to believe in some religion, and then you try to defend it. By logical reasons, most ultra-believers just will say something like "gods works in misterious ways".

I would add this another question:

Since all the creation is made by a single act of God (about a couple of millennia from now), the knowledge about cellular process, mutations, and others biological process must to be:
a. Forbiden, because it can weaken the faith of many
b. Be taken as a prove of our faith, but not with any other medical applications.
c. Ignored, because "knowledge" has to be fake, so, it's uselss
d. I don't know, but let's pray

Lulz. Nice.


I note that there still hasn't been any effort by our theist friends to point out why the questionnaire does not demonstrate several gaping holes in their chosen sacred texts.

Given all of the outrage we've witnessed so far, I'd have thought one of them would have been more game to point out where it was in error.

[Martin Ronne]

All I have to say DM, is that I hope you can some day get past your anger.

[Dancing Mustard]

All I have to say DM, is that I hope you can some day get past your anger.

Ah ha! Another theist comes crawling from the woodwork...

Note that this one has chosen to use the classic passive-aggressive semi-flame tactic, "Oh yeah! Well my religion may well be a self-contradicting and untenable pile of lies! But I totally bet that you have an unhappy life!", a time-honoured favourite of those who want to side-step the real issues because they lack an intelligent answer, but who still feel the unchristian need to spitefully retaliate in some small fashion.

So clap clap Martin, nice effort. Props for using a particularly hackneyed and well-worn straw-man as your weapon of choice, it's so nice to see a theist sticking to multiple sets of pointless traditions at the same time. Now, feel free to go join Gregrios in the 'impotent angry theist-trolls' section of the audience, I still have plenty of lolzors left to enjoy.

Note: If there's a theist out there who can explain why this questionnaire doesn't demonstrate that their belief-system isn't a self-contradicting and highly untenable fairy-story, then they've yet to make themselves known. Don't be shy people, if your belief is so pure and unassailable, then surely it'll be an easy thing to point out why this questionnaire is so flawed. Right?

[john9blue]

Note: If there's a theist out there who can explain why this questionnaire doesn't demonstrate that their belief-system isn't a self-contradicting and highly untenable fairy-story, then they've yet to make themselves known. Don't be shy people, if your belief is so pure and unassailable, then surely it'll be an easy thing to point out why this questionnaire is so flawed. Right?

Okay, suppose I'm a pantheist. Your biased and inaccurate questionnaire falls to shambles.

Ignoring the endless "proofs" about whether God exists or not, this may give you some insight as to why I believe atheists to be (as a whole) the most hypocritical, selfish group of people I have ever witnessed and why, if I was one, I would not associate myself with them.

[Neoteny]

The same tired arguments that we've all seen before?

[joecoolfrog]

Note: If there's a theist out there who can explain why this questionnaire doesn't demonstrate that their belief-system isn't a self-contradicting and highly untenable fairy-story, then they've yet to make themselves known. Don't be shy people, if your belief is so pure and unassailable, then surely it'll be an easy thing to point out why this questionnaire is so flawed. Right?

Okay, suppose I'm a pantheist. Your biased and inaccurate questionnaire falls to shambles.

Ignoring the endless "proofs" about whether God exists or not, this may give you some insight as to why I believe atheists to be (as a whole) the most hypocritical, selfish group of people I have ever witnessed and why, if I was one, I would not associate myself with them.

Most Atheists dont associate with those of a similar persuasion so you would be in the firm majority, but
we digress, you failed to address the ponts raised, why are the questions flawed ?

[john9blue]

OK, well instead of copying and pasting like DM did and "pushing buttons" (read: being a douchey troll), I'll bite. Answering from a Christian viewpoint here (as that is what this thing attacks), although there are some parts of it I have issues with. Answering the first five:

1 - C. Concerns the question of evil and seeming contradiction between an omnipotent/benevolent God and what we perceive to be "bad" things (which is actually nature running its course).

2 - A&C, then D. Pray after the medics take him away if you like. Question implies that those who pray neglect other forms of help and make irrational decisions. Hardly worth answering.

3 - D. See Question 1. And you forgot one thing- the neighbors started the fire themselves.

4 - B then maybe A. Seems like you (or whoever you ripped this from) misunderstands free will. If we always did what God wanted, then what kind of free will would that be?

5 - Any of them... Forgot to mention "dying for humanity's sins" there, didn't ya?

If you want more detailed answers, go check some apologetics websites.

Now, which of the following best represents the philosophically neutral, totally nonfanatic, and completely harmless position of atheism?

A - Mao's Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward
B - Several antireligious manifestos becoming bestsellers in the same year
C - The attempted removal of "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance and our currency
D - Stalin's gulag camps and closing of churches
E - The "War on Christmas" and movement to rename the Christmas tree and silence non-secular carols
F - Sam Harris' belief that those with certain beliefs should be murdered
G - Threads such as this one

South Park was right (as it is about pretty much everything)- radical atheism is every bit as blind and dangerous as radical theism. Hypocrites. I need to stop posting in religion threads, it's bad for my health. Or I could start trolling. Or post one sentence long pretentious responses without any real value. Maybe the atheists on this forum know what they're doing after all.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Note: If there's a theist out there who can explain why this questionnaire doesn't demonstrate that their belief-system isn't a self-contradicting and highly untenable fairy-story, then they've yet to make themselves known. Don't be shy people, if your belief is so pure and unassailable, then surely it'll be an easy thing to point out why this questionnaire is so flawed. Right?

Okay, suppose I'm a pantheist. Your biased and inaccurate questionnaire falls to shambles.

Ignoring the endless "proofs" about whether God exists or not, this may give you some insight as to why I believe atheists to be (as a whole) the most hypocritical, selfish group of people I have ever witnessed and why, if I was one, I would not associate myself with them.

Perhaps the most significant debate within the pantheistic community is about the nature of God. Classical pantheism believes in a personal, conscious, and omniscient God, and sees this God as uniting all true religions. Naturalistic pantheism believes in an unconscious, non-sentient Universe, which, while being holy and beautiful, is seen as being a God in a non-traditional and impersonal sense.

Which type of pantheism?
If it's classical than at least some of the questions apply to you as well.
If it's naturalistic, how exactly are you different from an atheist again?