TOMBSTONE MAFIA *Day 7* MAFIA WIN!!!!!!

by **jnd94** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:43 pm

just sayin...

by **Aimless** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:43 pm

Mmmm, lots of stuff in the day I missed. I'm pleased to see some of it is serious discussion, as well.

I want to weigh in on the whole "random vote" thing. In general, although I seldom do it, I think random voting on day one is a good thing for the town. Part of the voting process is to pressure players, trying to force them to make a slip-up. A single vote generally doesn't accomplish this, but it does start the process.

And, ultimately, even if no one makes a slip, a random vote can lead to a random bandwagon. This, IMHO, is actually good for the town, if the town reacts correctly. First off, bandwagoners are prime suspects for future days. Second, if played right, bandwagons can force a roleclaim, which provides the town information. Either a confirmed townie, or a slip by the mafia. Sure, odds are that our poor townie will die at the hands of the mafia over night, but the mafia was going to kill someone anyway. And, frankly, this is a numbers game. Trading a townie for a scum is always worth it.

However, here comes my major gripe about mafia, and the forum culture here. This group of players routinely misplays bandwagons (obviously, not everyone here is implicated, but enough of you are that it pays to make this point). I can't count the number of times I've seen someone drop the hammer for the sake of "we need a lynch" or some other crap. The town does not need a lynch, unless the odds are good that the town is lynching mafia. It is better for the town to end the day with no lynch than it is to screw up and lynch a power role, or even a townie.

Frankly, when I play scum, I rejoice every time I see someone voting for the sake of a deadline - especially if that is their only consideration. So, for the sake of the town, for God's sake, don't lynch someone just because you can! And count the fricking votes! If someone is at lynch -1, don't vote. That is, unless you're certain he's scum. The point of putting a player close to lynch is to force them to roleclaim. If they won't claim, or if someone counter claims, then lynch them. But, always always always wait for one of those conditions.

Bah. Sorry. Rant over. And really, this is the wrong thread to be posting this in; I should probably cross-post this to NV3, since I think that group of n00bs needs the advice a lot more.

And, lastly, Unvote. I'm going to re-read this thread and see if I can't find a few scum.

by **jnd94** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:44 pm

well, all im sayin is to just not change ur vote too many times, it can have um.. dire consequences

by **Anarkistsdream** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:53 pm

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

(1) AK_iceman - Wicked
(2) SheepofDumb - Mandalorian2298, jnd94
(1) Balsiefen - Aimless
(1) No Lynch - AK_iceman

Wicked, you voted me, then AK, then Syzygy without unvoting... Since you can't kill me, It is still Iceman.

With 21 Alive it takes 11 to lynch!!!

by **wicked** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:08 pm

I voted IC? :lol:

unvote vote Sziggy

by **Anarkistsdream** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:11 pm

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

(1) Syzygy - Wicked
(2) SheepofDumb - Mandalorian2298, jnd94
(1) Balsiefen - Aimless
(1) No Lynch - AK_iceman

With 21 Alive it takes 11 to lynch!!!

by **MountainLion** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:17 pm

Aimless makes a good case.

Vote: No Lynch at least for now

by **XenHu** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:22 pm

MountainLion wrote:Aimless makes a good case.

Vote: No Lynch at least for now

You say he makes a good point, yet you vote a No-Lynch?

Why? He did say don't vote just because you can..

Or did you not read the post?

FOS:Lion

-X

by **jnd94** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:23 pm

when i read it, it didnt come across as that the reason to write that was to convince you to no lynch. he was just saying why to random vote.

by **jnd94** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:24 pm

i think mountainlion is tryin to sound smart

FOS- mountainlion

by **sheepofdumb** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:43 pm

I have not sub'd during weekdays I have to go to school and I have track almost every day. I'm busy from 8 in the morning to 5 in the afternoon. I also have a 10:00 bedtime. If it looks like I'm submarining I'm sorry. There's nothing I can do about it. I do read the threads.

by **jnd94** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:44 pm

sheepofdumb wrote:I have not sub'd during weekdays I have to go to school and I have track almost every day. I'm busy from 8 in the morning to 5 in the afternoon. I also have a 10:00 bedtime. If it looks like I'm submarining I'm sorry. There's nothing I can do about it. I do read the threads.

ouch

by **Fircoal** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:56 pm

I think mountainlion is just a newb trying his best. I get that vibe from him. The discussions were good but I don't see anyone scummy from it.

by **MountainLion** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:31 pm

The post that Aimless made was a long one. I guess I interpreted the bottom line differently that others.

by **wicked** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:17 pm

hell *I* didn't even read the whole thing. :lol:

<< short attention span

by **unriggable** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:07 pm

Still thinking - do we go with the popular vote (ie bandwagon) or do we go 'nop lynch'?

by **everywhere116** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:07 pm

Fircoal wrote:I think mountainlion is just a newb trying his best. I get that vibe from him. The discussions were good but I don't see anyone scummy from it.

I thought you knew him from MS.

by **pancakemix** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:11 pm

unriggable wrote:Still thinking - do we go with the popular vote (ie bandwagon) or do we go 'nop lynch'?

You've got to remember that we could accidentally kill someone useful. We've done that before. Let's not make a big deal out of small mistakes. In NV3, it cost us a cop.

by **Fircoal** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:20 pm

everywhere116 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:I think mountainlion is just a newb trying his best. I get that vibe from him. The discussions were good but I don't see anyone scummy from it.

I thought you knew him from MS.

that was primate

by **everywhere116** on Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:24 pm

Fircoal wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:I think mountainlion is just a newb trying his best. I get that vibe from him. The discussions were good but I don't see anyone scummy from it.

I thought you knew him from MS.

that was primate

Oh.

by **mandalorian2298** on Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:54 am

unvote
vote Aimless advocating No Lynch on the first Day.
FOS Lion listening to his evil ways.

by **mandalorian2298** on Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:55 am

Correction: That was supposed to be "for following his evil ways".

by **Balsiefen** on Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:02 am

sorry i havn't posted much, i live in UK so while your posting i'm asleep and when i'm not asleep you are.

anyway, whoever our mafia are i get the feeling they are good players, usally by this time one of them has slipped up (and i dont count sheep's mistake into that cos i'm pretty sure its just an unsucessful joke)

i would suspect the more experianced players

by **Fircoal** on Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:06 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:unvote
vote Aimless advocating No Lynch on the first Day.
FOS Lion listening to his evil ways.

I don't think he suggested it. I think he said it was better than a lynch you don't believe in. I partalicy argee with Aimless, on this. I think sometimes you need a random lynch and sometimes it's better just to save em', and do a no lynch.`

by **mandalorian2298** on Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:13 am

Not on Day 1. Never on Day 1! :evil:

TOMBSTONE MAFIA Day 7 MAFIA WIN!!!!!!

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