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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby patches70 on Mon May 26, 2014 4:54 pm

I'd never heard of those things in Nepal, with the bandits and the Chinese advisers. Admittedly, I haven't ever really paid any attention to Nepal. Not that I found anything wrong with Nepal per say, except it's well, Nepal. Ok, well I understand better where you are coming from then.

I have no animosity toward China, on the contrary, I think they have been fairly wise in the way they expand their interests. They've managed to keep out of quagmires of unwinable wars unlike how the US seems to get bogged down time after time.

Not that I view China's rise with any particular warm and fuzzy feelings, they are a threat to the US without a doubt. They have gone about the same things the US has always done, but the Chinese seem to think in longer terms than we do in the US. Their strategies are a lot more subtle, like a quite creeping vine until the day comes when one wakes up and finally notices that vine has wrapped itself firmly around one's neck and is tightening.
The US on the other hand doesn't do any creeping. She comes in with a club, roaring and shouting as she smashes everything that moves over the head.

Hell, I don't even hate North Korea, I pity those fools. So I don't ever really regard nations as good or evil. People can be good or evil, nations just act toward their own national interests, which often times contradict another nation's national interests. It's just a consequences of geopolitics I guess.
I marvel sometimes at the things nations do, the absurdity of some actions. Others I can understand. Like I can certainly understand China's desire over HK, hell, I'd do the same thing if I was in their position. Not because I'm intentionally trying to be evil or intentionally trying to harm people, but HK is too rich a prize to just let it be on it's own, or worse, under someone else's thumb. From China's viewpoint of course. I always try to see the other sides POV, even if I don't agree with it or even if that POV is in direct conflict with my own.

Don't hate your enemy, understand your enemy. That's makes it easier to beat them.

And yeah, mrswdk's comments on China not troubling her neighbors made me chuckle. So I can understand you taking exception to that line.

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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby saxitoxin on Mon May 26, 2014 6:35 pm

Wait - let me get this straight, when the Maoists win an election in Nepal it's due to fraud, when they lose the following election, though, it was all fair and square?

That reminds me of this scene from Citizen Kane -

Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism

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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby mrswdk on Mon May 26, 2014 6:59 pm

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mrswdk wrote:HK was a Chinese city. Then the British attacked and forced China to concede it. I see no reason why HK shouldn't go back to China.

Anyway, what autonomy does Hong Kong lack?


Well, I already mentioned the reason as to why the PRC wants HK--it's not just a historic case, e.g. see the rocks and reefs China is currently feuding over. Historic cases are only made when they're favorable. It's still about that 'cash money' and states being belligerent to get what they want.

Do you really think the PRC has no political influence over HK? From what I recall, things in the HK are politically the same except there's a Chinese govt. official who changes whatever he doesn't like. That doesn't seem as democratic as before.


HK has never been democratic in the sense that you probably mean the word. The chief executives and governors have never been elected by 'the people'. If it make you feel any better, they're due to due to become a full democracy by 2017, so HK is actually becoming more democratic during its time back under the PRC's umbrella.

Obviously China has a selfish reason to want HK. Show me the government whose behavior is motivated by anything other than self-interest. My point was merely that HK's handover is not an example of China meddling in the affairs of other nations.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby mrswdk on Mon May 26, 2014 7:05 pm

'Maoist' doesn't mean 'controlled by China'. India still has a problem with Maoist rebels in some of its northern regions, but they're nothing to do with China.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby a6mzero on Mon May 26, 2014 8:28 pm

China would not have intervened in N.Korea if the pompous , glory seeking, overated General Douglas McArthur had stopped at the 38th parallel.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby a6mzero on Mon May 26, 2014 8:30 pm

The North Koreans were Proxys of the Soviet Union not China.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby notyou2 on Thu May 29, 2014 9:27 pm

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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby a6mzero on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:33 pm

These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:59 pm

a6mzero wrote:These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.


http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should- ... carry.html

The questions that concerns me now is how we bystanders should react when people come into a store with guns. There really is no legitimate way of determining intent. Even if the people with guns are carrying a sign claiming to be activists (which they do not do), they could be lying, just setting us all up for slaughter. And since there is no way to know what is on their minds, all we have are our instincts, but as we all should know, our instincts are often racist, classist, and frequently mistaken. So, what should we do?

My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.

But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby a6mzero on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:31 pm

Good one Metsfan
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby a6mzero on Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:17 pm

Another mass shooting.The NRA will declare a day of celebration in honor of the tragedy and promote more business for the merchants of death.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby KoolBak on Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:17 pm

:lol:
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby mrswdk on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:24 pm

Ha. Some lardasses who wish they were cowboys, walking around McDonald's with assault rifles on their backs. What a bunch of losers.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby patrickaa317 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:25 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
a6mzero wrote:These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.


http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should- ... carry.html

The questions that concerns me now is how we bystanders should react when people come into a store with guns. There really is no legitimate way of determining intent. Even if the people with guns are carrying a sign claiming to be activists (which they do not do), they could be lying, just setting us all up for slaughter. And since there is no way to know what is on their minds, all we have are our instincts, but as we all should know, our instincts are often racist, classist, and frequently mistaken. So, what should we do?

My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.

But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.


So you'd leave a restaurant mid-meal and force the server to foot the cost? Do you realize these people often make minimum wage or less and rely on tips to make a decent wage? (Same with hairdressers/barbers.) Now you want to take that from them? Or waste food from a deli that a homeless person or starving child would love? Why not just spit on all the food you can and flip tables/chairs on your way out?

I think the more respectable thing to do is simply pay what you owe but once you leave, call the place and tell the manager why they will never see you again. And stick to it if it's what you want. I'm definitely for conceal & carry. I am not a giant fan of open carry though, some places sure but why do people feel the need to carry it everywhere; really just asking for trouble IMO.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby mrswdk on Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:18 am

these people often make minimum wage or less


How does that work?

What's up with Americans and tipping? If someone tried to give me $2 for doing my job I'd tell them to stick it up their ass.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby patrickaa317 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:19 am

mrswdk wrote:
these people often make minimum wage or less


How does that work?

What's up with Americans and tipping? If someone tried to give me $2 for doing my job I'd tell them to stick it up their ass.


There are essentially two different minimum wages. One for average run of the mill jobs and one for servers where tips are primary part of the wage. Not sure where the whole tipping system originated, probably with the standard idea where you pay someone based on the quality of the job performed. Incentive or motivation based thinking. That way the best servers typically get paid the most.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby Metsfanmax on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:06 am

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a6mzero wrote:These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.


http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should- ... carry.html

The questions that concerns me now is how we bystanders should react when people come into a store with guns. There really is no legitimate way of determining intent. Even if the people with guns are carrying a sign claiming to be activists (which they do not do), they could be lying, just setting us all up for slaughter. And since there is no way to know what is on their minds, all we have are our instincts, but as we all should know, our instincts are often racist, classist, and frequently mistaken. So, what should we do?

My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.

But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.


So you'd leave a restaurant mid-meal and force the server to foot the cost? Do you realize these people often make minimum wage or less and rely on tips to make a decent wage? (Same with hairdressers/barbers.) Now you want to take that from them? Or waste food from a deli that a homeless person or starving child would love? Why not just spit on all the food you can and flip tables/chairs on your way out?


Do I want to take money from them? Of course not.

Do I want to get massacred by someone who walks into a restaurant openly carrying a gun? Of course not.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby patrickaa317 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:39 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
a6mzero wrote:These open carry gun groups should be named terrorists. Bunch of thugs strolling around target or walmart wearing assault rifles scaring the hell out of everyone. They should all be arrested and have their damn guns melted down. Nothing but grownup punks.


http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should- ... carry.html

The questions that concerns me now is how we bystanders should react when people come into a store with guns. There really is no legitimate way of determining intent. Even if the people with guns are carrying a sign claiming to be activists (which they do not do), they could be lying, just setting us all up for slaughter. And since there is no way to know what is on their minds, all we have are our instincts, but as we all should know, our instincts are often racist, classist, and frequently mistaken. So, what should we do?

My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.

But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.


So you'd leave a restaurant mid-meal and force the server to foot the cost? Do you realize these people often make minimum wage or less and rely on tips to make a decent wage? (Same with hairdressers/barbers.) Now you want to take that from them? Or waste food from a deli that a homeless person or starving child would love? Why not just spit on all the food you can and flip tables/chairs on your way out?


Do I want to take money from them? Of course not.

Do I want to get massacred by someone who walks into a restaurant openly carrying a gun? Of course not.


Stats on gun murders in restaurants in states with open carry?
And easiest remedy would be to go to restaurants that don't allow open carry or eat in your car or at home if that is a big concern rather than potentially stealing from the server trying to do their job. If you posted this you obviously now have it pre planned. If it just was an event that played out, I understand but now you purposely intend to sabotage the place of business or its employees.

I don't want to be mugged so I stay out of alleys at night.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby mrswdk on Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:29 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
these people often make minimum wage or less


How does that work?

What's up with Americans and tipping? If someone tried to give me $2 for doing my job I'd tell them to stick it up their ass.


There are essentially two different minimum wages. One for average run of the mill jobs and one for servers where tips are primary part of the wage. Not sure where the whole tipping system originated, probably with the standard idea where you pay someone based on the quality of the job performed. Incentive or motivation based thinking. That way the best servers typically get paid the most.


If everyone believes those servers deserve that money then why not just make it mandatory for employers to pay them that much? Or else cut the other minimum wage, start getting everyone to tip bank tellers, shop clerks, lawyers etc.

Anyways, my main point was: why the love of tipping? Seems offensive to me. 'Well done for being capable of doing your job properly, here's a couple of dollars. Maybe you could put it towards the cost of building a well in your parents' village.'
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby KoolBak on Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:26 pm

Go to vegas sometime....every working person you meet has their hand out for tips.....it's painful.
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Re: Shame on you USA and your right to OWN guns

Postby AslanTheKing on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:30 pm

and if u dont tip, they do this to you, watch




guest to the waiter :" waiter, my food smells like whiskey
waiter goes three steps back and replys
:" is it better now?
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