Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine

[Qwert]

Ukraine will surrender in a week at most. Everyone buying into all the western war propaganda ("the Ghost of Kiev!" etc) are going to be asking what happened by next weekend.

Nine days after Saxi's prediction, Ukraine has not fallen. Its resistance has been surprisingly stiff.

Most experts still expect Ukraine to eventually fall. It is a regional power at best, while Russia is a superpower. Nonetheless, Putin has already lost his gamble. His hopes were pinned on a swift collapse of Ukrainian morale, which has not happened. When he does, eventually, destroy Ukraine's conventional forces, he will be facing years of guerrilla warfare and multiple insurgencies.

Either he withdraws and tries to negotiate a face-saving peace, or he has just put Russia into a quagmire which will make Afghanistan seem like a garden party.

If Ukraine have big defensive advantage how come that Russian stil advancing??? I hope that these will not be same like Afganistan Scenario where Afghan Army had 350000 soldiers (not counting police) against Taliban 60000 ,,, plus Afgan army had modern equipment and still they collapsed so fast, so that US military also catch surprised with these disaster.

The Afghan government was a puppet regime with no organic support. Once its masters cast it aside, it had nothing to prop it up.

The Ukrainian government is a legitimate elected regime with strong popular support. Such government tend to grow stronger instead of weaker as they are pushed back.

Russia is a superpower and will eventually win this war, but at enormous cost.

Shhh what are you talking about! Afghan government was a puppet regime! Quick erase these before someone see! Someone will get impression that US invade and install puppet regime in Afghanistan for 20 years , and truth its that US never invade anyone and never create any puppet governments.

[jusplay4fun]

Duk is on point with this observation:

Nine days after Saxi's prediction, Ukraine has not fallen. Its resistance has been surprisingly stiff.

saxi makes ridiculous predictions that are mostly shown to be false. Then he wants to re-label them as mere "suggestions." Yeah, saxi, make more ridiculous suggestions.

Also

ConFedSS, what does this mean? Again, you make statements that are not lucid:

Jp4fun,You are from Virginia.

Yes, I am. So, what is your point? I certainly was not protesting to remove the statues of Lee and other Confederate leaders in Richmond, where I live. Do all Virginians think only one way? Look at the elections in Virginia in the past 10 years and you will see that Virginia has become more liberal. Our state General Assembly has our State Senate still controlled by Democrats and the House is now controlled by Republicans. So do not focus all your political attention on the Republican Governor Youngkin.

[jusplay4fun]

Back to the War in Ukraine.

As pukin' putin's forces get bogged down by fierce military resistance, they now focus on trying to break the will of the people by killing many innocent civilians and bombing (via artillery and missiles) civilian structures. The Butcher of Ukraine continues to slaughter innocent civilians.

And those magnanimous corridors of safety the Russians set up? They only go to Russian control areas or Belarus. And they are NOT safe as Russians bomb civilians everywhere. Typical Russians of late, they TRY TO KILL civilians. See what they did in Chechnya.

The Second Chechen War (Russian: Втора́я чече́нская война́, Chechen: ШолгIа оьрсийн-нохчийн тIом, lit. 'Second Russian-Chechen War'[27]) took place in Chechnya and the border regions of the North Caucasus between the Russian Federation and the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, from August 1999 to April 2000. In August 1999, Islamist fighters from Chechnya infiltrated Russia's Dagestan region, declaring it an independent state and calling for holy war. During the initial campaign, Russian military and pro-Russian Chechen paramilitary forces faced Chechen separatists in open combat and seized the Chechen capital Grozny after a winter siege that lasted from December 1999 until February 2000. Russia established direct rule over Chechnya in May 2000 although Chechen militant resistance throughout the North Caucasus region continued to inflict heavy Russian casualties and challenge Russian political control over Chechnya for several years. Both sides carried out attacks against civilians. These attacks drew international condemnation.

In mid-2000, the Russian government transferred certain military responsibilities to pro-Russian Chechen forces. The military phase of operations was terminated in April 2002, and the coordination of the field operations was given first to the Federal Security Service and then to the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the summer of 2003.

By 2009, Russia had severely disabled the Chechen separatist movement and large-scale fighting ceased. Russian army and interior ministry troops ceased patrolling. Grozny underwent reconstruction efforts and much of the city and surrounding areas were rebuilt quickly. Sporadic violence continued throughout the North Caucasus; occasional bombings and ambushes targeting federal troops and forces of the regional governments in the area still occur.[28][29]

In April 2009, the government operation in Chechnya officially ended.[9] As the bulk of the army was withdrawn, the responsibility for dealing with the low-level insurgency was shouldered by the local police force. Three months later, the exiled leader of the separatist government, Akhmed Zakayev, called for a halt to armed resistance against the Chechen police force from August and said he hoped that "starting with this day Chechens will never shoot at each other".[30] This marked the complete end of the Chechen conflict.

The exact death toll of the conflict is unknown. Russian casualties are around 7,500 (official Russian casualty figures)[31] or about 14,000 according to the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers.[32] Unofficial sources estimate a range of 25,000 to 50,000 dead or missing, mostly Chechen civilians.[33]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

[ASIDE: That was not the US policy and tactics in Afghanistan, to kill civilians. Let me re-iterate that I kept saying for a long time that we need to get out of that quasi-country. We should have never been there after Bin Laden was found and killed. Biden and his team totally mismanaged the US withdraw from there. Going in to Afghanistan was not well justified in the first place. There was definitely not sufficient justification for the US to go into Iraq, imo, either.]

[Qwert]

Back to the War in Ukraine.

As pukin' putin's forces get bogged down by fierce military resistance, they now focus on trying to break the will of the people by killing many innocent civilians and bombing (via artillery and missiles) civilian structures. The Butcher of Ukraine continues to slaughter innocent civilians.

And those magnanimous corridors of safety the Russians set up? They only go to Russian control areas or Belarus. And they are NOT safe as Russians bomb civilians everywhere. Typical Russians of late, they TRY TO KILL civilians. See what they did in Chechnya.

The Second Chechen War (Russian: Втора́я чече́нская война́, Chechen: ШолгIа оьрсийн-нохчийн тIом, lit. 'Second Russian-Chechen War'[27]) took place in Chechnya and the border regions of the North Caucasus between the Russian Federation and the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, from August 1999 to April 2000. In August 1999, Islamist fighters from Chechnya infiltrated Russia's Dagestan region, declaring it an independent state and calling for holy war. During the initial campaign, Russian military and pro-Russian Chechen paramilitary forces faced Chechen separatists in open combat and seized the Chechen capital Grozny after a winter siege that lasted from December 1999 until February 2000. Russia established direct rule over Chechnya in May 2000 although Chechen militant resistance throughout the North Caucasus region continued to inflict heavy Russian casualties and challenge Russian political control over Chechnya for several years. Both sides carried out attacks against civilians. These attacks drew international condemnation.

In mid-2000, the Russian government transferred certain military responsibilities to pro-Russian Chechen forces. The military phase of operations was terminated in April 2002, and the coordination of the field operations was given first to the Federal Security Service and then to the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the summer of 2003.

By 2009, Russia had severely disabled the Chechen separatist movement and large-scale fighting ceased. Russian army and interior ministry troops ceased patrolling. Grozny underwent reconstruction efforts and much of the city and surrounding areas were rebuilt quickly. Sporadic violence continued throughout the North Caucasus; occasional bombings and ambushes targeting federal troops and forces of the regional governments in the area still occur.[28][29]

In April 2009, the government operation in Chechnya officially ended.[9] As the bulk of the army was withdrawn, the responsibility for dealing with the low-level insurgency was shouldered by the local police force. Three months later, the exiled leader of the separatist government, Akhmed Zakayev, called for a halt to armed resistance against the Chechen police force from August and said he hoped that "starting with this day Chechens will never shoot at each other".[30] This marked the complete end of the Chechen conflict.

The exact death toll of the conflict is unknown. Russian casualties are around 7,500 (official Russian casualty figures)[31] or about 14,000 according to the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers.[32] Unofficial sources estimate a range of 25,000 to 50,000 dead or missing, mostly Chechen civilians.[33]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

[ASIDE: That was not the US policy and tactics in Afghanistan, to kill civilians. Let me re-iterate that I kept saying for a long time that we need to get out of that quasi-country. We should have never been there after Bin Laden was found and killed. Biden and his team totally mismanaged the US withdraw from there. Going in to Afghanistan was not well justified in the first place. There was definitely not sufficient justification for the US to go into Iraq, imo, either.]

Ok now you scary me, you admit that US make mistakes invading Afghanistan and Iraq?? What next , are you going to say that US create puppet state of South Vietnam and also make mistake engaging in Vietnam war to? Be carefull what you say, you are going to close to dark side now, americans dont like to hear that US Goverment make mistakes when invading other countries.

[saxitoxin]

Another 4D Chess Move by Russia

Apparently 2 million Ukrainians have "fled" the country.

There's basically no fighting occurring in 60% of the country and no chance any will occur. So why did 2 million leave Ukraine altogether?

Because the war is their ticket out of a shithole. Polish and Hungarian borders have been closed to Ukrainian emigration but now they're not.

IOW, there's basically zero chance any of those Ukrainians are returning to Ukraine post-war. They wanted to leave anyway, now the door's open.

There's no concern about Russian "ethnic cleansing" in post-war Ukraine because the Ukrainians are cleansing themselves. And once, due to migration, the population of eastern Ukraine is 55% Russian speaking instead of 35%, it will be very hard for the west to ever pressure it being given back.

[saxitoxin]

Without fanfare, Toyota / Lexus has just returned to the Russian market seven days after exiting it in solidarity with Ukraine.

This is all PR bluff. Russia will do just fine.

[riskllama]

Another 4D Chess Move by Russia

Apparently 2 million Ukrainians have "fled" the country.

There's basically no fighting occurring in 60% of the country and no chance any will occur. So why did 2 million leave Ukraine altogether?

Because the war is their ticket out of a shithole. Polish and Hungarian borders have been closed to Ukrainian emigration but now they're not.

IOW, there's basically zero chance any of those Ukrainians are returning to Ukraine post-war. They wanted to leave anyway, now the door's open.

There's no concern about Russian "ethnic cleansing" in post-war Ukraine because the Ukrainians are cleansing themselves. And once, due to migration, the population of eastern Ukraine is 55% Russian speaking instead of 35%, it will be very hard for the west to ever pressure it being given back.

lol, yeah - they were so desperate to move out of their homeland they abandoned their vehicles, homes, jobs/businesses & just legged it with only the clothes on their backs at the first opportunity. seems totes plausible to me...

[saxitoxin]

Another 4D Chess Move by Russia

Apparently 2 million Ukrainians have "fled" the country.

There's basically no fighting occurring in 60% of the country and no chance any will occur. So why did 2 million leave Ukraine altogether?

Because the war is their ticket out of a shithole. Polish and Hungarian borders have been closed to Ukrainian emigration but now they're not.

IOW, there's basically zero chance any of those Ukrainians are returning to Ukraine post-war. They wanted to leave anyway, now the door's open.

There's no concern about Russian "ethnic cleansing" in post-war Ukraine because the Ukrainians are cleansing themselves. And once, due to migration, the population of eastern Ukraine is 55% Russian speaking instead of 35%, it will be very hard for the west to ever pressure it being given back.

lol, yeah - they were so desperate to move out of their homeland they abandoned their vehicles, homes, jobs/businesses & just legged it with only the clothes on their backs at the first opportunity. seems totes plausible to me...

The leading jobs in Ukraine are mail order bride, rentboy, and cam whore; I'm sure they can find similar work in Poland.

[mookiemcgee]

Another 4D Chess Move by Russia

Apparently 2 million Ukrainians have "fled" the country.

There's basically no fighting occurring in 60% of the country and no chance any will occur. So why did 2 million leave Ukraine altogether?

Because the war is their ticket out of a shithole. Polish and Hungarian borders have been closed to Ukrainian emigration but now they're not.

IOW, there's basically zero chance any of those Ukrainians are returning to Ukraine post-war. They wanted to leave anyway, now the door's open.

There's no concern about Russian "ethnic cleansing" in post-war Ukraine because the Ukrainians are cleansing themselves. And once, due to migration, the population of eastern Ukraine is 55% Russian speaking instead of 35%, it will be very hard for the west to ever pressure it being given back.

lol, yeah - they were so desperate to move out of their homeland they abandoned their vehicles, homes, jobs/businesses & just legged it with only the clothes on their backs at the first opportunity. seems totes plausible to me...

The leading jobs in Ukraine are mail order bride, rentboy, and cam whore; I'm sure they can find similar work in Poland.

I hear the Ukrainian military is hiring!

[Qwert]

i watched pentagon press conference,, and its funny how John Kirby reply on question of reporters on 40 km long convoy who sit there and not moving for days.

reporter--Its look that these its all supply trucks, can you tell us where are Russian Tanks??
John Kirby-- We dont have perfect visibility i dont know where are they, its a better question for Russian Ministry of defense.

These pentagon press conference look like stand up comedy show.

[DoomYoshi]

MOEX is still closed and the website is down.

Last time the Moscow stock exchange closed for a week, it was closed for about 70 years.

[saxitoxin]

Starbucks just announced they're suspending operations in Russia. It's hilarious to watch these American companies shoot themselves in the foot like this. Do they think Russians will just stop drinking coffee for the next year? It just means Russian coffee chains like Shokoladnitsa will pick-up Starbucks' business which will keep more Russian consumer money inside the country, benefitting Russians and better building Russian economic insulation and self-reliance - thereby strengthening the position of the EP Party - instead of flowing back to Seattle.

In a few months, long after Ukraine has surrendered and the public has moved onto the next moral outrage, Starbucks will try to go back into Russia and find they either have to rebuild their business from square one or just abandon a market of 150 MM people with atypically high profit margins altogether and write-off the losses.

[Doc_Brown]

With Starbucks, Coke, McDonalds, Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, and others all pulling out of Russia, we're about a year away from Russians being rated as the healthiest and most well-adjusted nation!

[Dukasaur]

Ukraine will surrender in a week at most. Everyone buying into all the western war propaganda ("the Ghost of Kiev!" etc) are going to be asking what happened by next weekend.

Nine days after Saxi's prediction, Ukraine has not fallen. Its resistance has been surprisingly stiff.

Most experts still expect Ukraine to eventually fall. It is a regional power at best, while Russia is a superpower. Nonetheless, Putin has already lost his gamble. His hopes were pinned on a swift collapse of Ukrainian morale, which has not happened. When he does, eventually, destroy Ukraine's conventional forces, he will be facing years of guerrilla warfare and multiple insurgencies.

Either he withdraws and tries to negotiate a face-saving peace, or he has just put Russia into a quagmire which will make Afghanistan seem like a garden party.

If Ukraine have big defensive advantage how come that Russian stil advancing??? I hope that these will not be same like Afganistan Scenario where Afghan Army had 350000 soldiers (not counting police) against Taliban 60000 ,,, plus Afgan army had modern equipment and still they collapsed so fast, so that US military also catch surprised with these disaster.

The Afghan government was a puppet regime with no organic support. Once its masters cast it aside, it had nothing to prop it up.

The Ukrainian government is a legitimate elected regime with strong popular support. Such government tend to grow stronger instead of weaker as they are pushed back.

Russia is a superpower and will eventually win this war, but at enormous cost.

Shhh what are you talking about! Afghan government was a puppet regime! Quick erase these before someone see! Someone will get impression that US invade and install puppet regime in Afghanistan for 20 years , and truth its that US never invade anyone and never create any puppet governments.

I don't know where you get your news, but here in North America pretty much everyone knows the Karzai regime was a puppet regime.

Maybe in Serbia you're afraid to say that your government is full of shit. But in the West we all say it without hesitation.

[Doc_Brown]

I think a lot of people are missing the religious motivations in this invasion. Kyiv is the birthplace of the Russian Orthodox church. Its centrality in the current events is not just limited to splitting Ukraine in half, establishing a neutral boundary between Russia and Europe, or in taking control of the Ukrainian capitol to establish a puppet government. The confluence of religion and nationalism in Russia also motivate re-incorporating Kyiv, in particular, into the greater Russian sphere of influence. Some really interesting articles on the religious motivations behind the war:
https://unherd.com/2022/02/putins-spiritual-destiny/
https://www.europeantimes.news/2022/03/ ... ay-parade/

[Dukasaur]

I think a lot of people are missing the religious motivations in this invasion. Kyiv is the birthplace of the Russian Orthodox church. Its centrality in the current events is not just limited to splitting Ukraine in half, establishing a neutral boundary between Russia and Europe, or in taking control of the Ukrainian capitol to establish a puppet government. The confluence of religion and nationalism in Russia also motivate re-incorporating Kyiv, in particular, into the greater Russian sphere of influence. Some really interesting articles on the religious motivations behind the war:
https://unherd.com/2022/02/putins-spiritual-destiny/
https://www.europeantimes.news/2022/03/ ... ay-parade/

If you want to go a step further, Kiev is the birthplace of the Russian nation. Really, Ukrainians are the real Russians -- Russians as they would have been if they had not been overrun by the Mongols.

[jusplay4fun]

I see Viking influences in the people. I read that Viking (Norsemen) traders ventured into the region now called Ukraine.

[bigtoughralf]

Viking

Dogwhistle.

[saxitoxin]

Approximately 98% of the working class, American employees of New York-based startup Buyk were just fired due to Biden's sanctions against Russia. The firm was supported by Russian investors. [https://progressivegrocer.com/buyk-goes-dark-ukrainian-crisis-deepens] Hope they're all registered voters.

Meanwhile the UAE and Saudi Arabia are sending Biden's desperate phone calls about oil to voicemail.

The White House unsuccessfully tried to arrange calls between President Biden and the de facto leaders of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates as the U.S. was working to build international support for Ukraine and contain a surge in oil prices, said Middle East and U.S. officials. Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and the U.A.E.’s Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al Nahyan both declined U.S. requests to speak to Mr. Biden in recent weeks, the officials said, as Saudi and Emirati officials have become more vocal in recent weeks in their criticism of American policy in the Gulf.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-emir ... 1646779430

The Democrats have spent the last five years blaming Russia for everything from daylight savings time to Hillary's cankles. It looks like they're sticking with that approach-

Click image to enlarge.

[jusplay4fun]

I see Viking influences in the people. I read that Viking (Norsemen) traders ventured into the region now called Ukraine.

It was after 840 that Scandanavian Vikings—who were known in Eastern Europe as “Varangians” or “Rus”—established Viking rule over Slavic tribes in what came to be called Kievan Rus. At first, the region was divided between three noble brothers.

“The oldest, Rurik, located himself at Novgorod; the second, Sineus, at Beloozero; and the third, Truvor, in Izborsk,” recounts the Russian Primary Chronicle, a history of the region completed in the 12th century by Kievan monks. “On account of these Varangians, the district of Novgorod became known as the land of Rus.” (“Rus,” which is where the name “Russia” comes from, purportedly derives from an old Nordic word for “men who row.”)

Rurik’s brothers died within two years, so he claimed their territory and established Novgorod as the capital of his domain. After Rurik died, his successor Prince Oleg of Novgorod (or Oleg the Prophet) captured the city of Kiev in 882 and moved the capital from Novgorod to Kiev. In addition to capturing new territories to increase the size of Kievan Rus, Oleg also increased its wealth by negotiating a favorable trade deal with Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine Empire.
https://www.history.com/news/vikings-in-russia-kiev-rus-varangians-prince-oleg#:~:text=For%20four%20centuries%2C%20Vikings%20held,under%20Prince%20Oleg%20the%20Prophet.&text=Dec%204%2C%202019-,For%20four%20centuries%2C%20Vikings%20held%20sway%20over%20parts%20of%20Russia,under%20Prince%20Oleg%20the%20Prophet.

btw: Humans cannot hear a dog whistle; humans can only hear up to 20,000 Hz. As I recall, dogs can hear up to 3X that, up to 60,000 Hz. Keep using your dog whistle to get attention.

[jusplay4fun]

Contrary to the continuous Fake News spewing out of resident troll, here is some Real News. Note that about half of the refugees leaving Ukraine are children AND

[warning, as my editorial comment follows: as parents want a future for their children.]

And civilians are fleeing DESTRUCTION, indiscriminate shelling, and the frequent killing of civilians by RUSSIAN INVADERS under the leadership of the Butcher of Ukraine. Pukin Putin is apparently following the advice of HIS hero who killed MILLIONS of Ukrainians after stealing their grain food. Pukin Putin only wants to steal their nation and national identity.

To characterize Ukraine as a home for a

mail order bride, rentboy, and cam whore

shows which Ukrainian websites saxi views. He is still looking for a bride. Keep searching, saxi; maybe you will get lucky.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxIHL6d-RM&list=RDAMVM8mxIHL6d-RM

'Nuff SAID.

[Qwert]

Ukraine will surrender in a week at most. Everyone buying into all the western war propaganda ("the Ghost of Kiev!" etc) are going to be asking what happened by next weekend.

Nine days after Saxi's prediction, Ukraine has not fallen. Its resistance has been surprisingly stiff.

Most experts still expect Ukraine to eventually fall. It is a regional power at best, while Russia is a superpower. Nonetheless, Putin has already lost his gamble. His hopes were pinned on a swift collapse of Ukrainian morale, which has not happened. When he does, eventually, destroy Ukraine's conventional forces, he will be facing years of guerrilla warfare and multiple insurgencies.

Either he withdraws and tries to negotiate a face-saving peace, or he has just put Russia into a quagmire which will make Afghanistan seem like a garden party.

If Ukraine have big defensive advantage how come that Russian stil advancing??? I hope that these will not be same like Afganistan Scenario where Afghan Army had 350000 soldiers (not counting police) against Taliban 60000 ,,, plus Afgan army had modern equipment and still they collapsed so fast, so that US military also catch surprised with these disaster.

The Afghan government was a puppet regime with no organic support. Once its masters cast it aside, it had nothing to prop it up.

The Ukrainian government is a legitimate elected regime with strong popular support. Such government tend to grow stronger instead of weaker as they are pushed back.

Russia is a superpower and will eventually win this war, but at enormous cost.

Shhh what are you talking about! Afghan government was a puppet regime! Quick erase these before someone see! Someone will get impression that US invade and install puppet regime in Afghanistan for 20 years , and truth its that US never invade anyone and never create any puppet governments.

I don't know where you get your news, but here in North America pretty much everyone knows the Karzai regime was a puppet regime.

Maybe in Serbia you're afraid to say that your government is full of shit. But in the West we all say it without hesitation.

Do you know meaning of sarcasm? And why its only Karzai regime are US puppet regime what about Ashraf Ghani ?
And somehow you avoid to say US puppet state.
Its look that you are upset but i dont know a reason . I dont know what will change if i say that my government are full of shit? Are Serbian government are responsible for US debacle in Afghanistan?