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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby john9blue on Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:55 pm

waauw wrote:example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.


and then he died

leave biblical critique to the pros, please
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:29 pm

john9blue wrote:
waauw wrote:example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.


and then he died

leave biblical critique to the pros, please


well then the argument is ridiculous nonetheless. Humans die, that's just the way it is, why make a prophecy about it.

How about this one then?
2 Samuel 7:13-16
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

==> So basically it is fortold the house and kingdom of David will stand forever, ofcourse it did eventually fall.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:20 pm

inb4 [literal v. metaphorical interpretation argument] + [arbitrary distinction]
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:44 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:inb4 [literal v. metaphorical interpretation argument] + [arbitrary distinction]

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:29 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:inb4 [literal v. metaphorical interpretation argument] + [arbitrary distinction]


I think a basic flowchart could cover 80-90% of the stuff said in religious debates.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Viceroy63 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:26 pm

waauw wrote:
john9blue wrote:
waauw wrote:example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.


and then he died

leave biblical critique to the pros, please


well then the argument is ridiculous nonetheless. Humans die, that's just the way it is, why make a prophecy about it.

How about this one then?
2 Samuel 7:13-16
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

==> So basically it is fortold the house and kingdom of David will stand forever, ofcourse it did eventually fall.


Actually, the kingdom of David and his very throne are still standing today, if you know where to look! Historical, ancient archeological and modern archeological (recent history) facts confirm it's existence and location in today's modern world.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:45 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:inb4 [literal v. metaphorical interpretation argument] + [arbitrary distinction]


I think a basic flowchart could cover 80-90% of the stuff said in religious debates.

Haggis, don't make me send you to the devil too.


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby chang50 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:15 am

chang50 wrote:
universalchiro wrote:
chang50 wrote:
universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


Nuclear Physicist Dr. Robert Gentry, has discovered 1,000's of Polonium radio halos in granite rock in a primordial state in 5 continents.

What does this mean? Let me lay a foundation to be better able to see the meaning.

According to Evolution theory in the beginning of the earth was in a very hot condition, and rock was in a molten state that took millions upon millions of years to cool. Now hold that thought and let's add other foundational material.


According to whom?If you are going to make wild claims of this type at least back them up with a source.If you are referring to the theory of evolution,it has precisely zero to say about the earth's origins or early temperture or geological condition.I can't be the only one to have noticed a pattern developing in your posts of carelessly throwing out unsubstantiated or unfounded assertions willy nilly.


You don't even know your own religion!! You are hilarious. I state your own believed facts, but you don't even know what you believe.

http://www.factmonster.com/dk/encyclope ... earth.html
HOW WAS EARTH FORMED?

The Sun began to form around 5 billion years ago out of a cloud of whirling dust and gas in space. As it formed, the Sun’s gravity gradually pulled the dust and gas into lumps, which became the planets. At first, Earth was a ball of molten rock. Its surface rock slowly began to cool and harden around 4 billion years ago.

Table 16. EARTH’S FORMATION
5.0 billion years ago The solar system begins to form from gas and dust swirling in space.
4.6 billion years ago Earth begins to form as a ball of molten rock.
4.5 billion years ago Volcanoes erupt gas and steam to form the oceans, and molten rock.
4.2 billion years ago Earth’s surface cools and the hard outer crust forms.
3.6 billion years ago The first continents form; life begins on Earth.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Earth
Earth formed around 4.54 billion (4.54×109) years ago by accretion from the solar nebula. Volcanic outgassing likely created the primordial atmosphere, but it contained almost no oxygen and would have been toxic to humans and most modern life. Much of the Earth was molten because of extreme volcanism and frequent collisions with other bodies. One very large collision is thought to have been responsible for tilting the Earth at an angle and forming the Moon. Over time, the planet cooled and formed a solid crust, allowing liquid water to exist on the surface

change50, get it together, you don't even know what evolution hypothesis is. I quote your own jargon and you say it's a straw man argument, because you don't know what you believe... That's the pattern emerging. You guys are clueless to how your beliefs are faith based, nigh observable, nigh measurable. Purely conjectures from a bias position...

EVOLUTION IS HOKUM...


WTF has the formation of the earth to do with the theory of evolution?You are way out on a limb here pal...


The question may have been asked bad temperedly in a fit of frustration but it deserves an answer.The correct answer would be that the study of the formation of the earth is concerned with events that occurred long before the evolution of life on earth.Evolution is not even concerned with the process whereby the first life began,only it's subsequent development.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:24 am

Viceroy63 wrote:
waauw wrote:
john9blue wrote:
waauw wrote:example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.


and then he died

leave biblical critique to the pros, please


well then the argument is ridiculous nonetheless. Humans die, that's just the way it is, why make a prophecy about it.

How about this one then?
2 Samuel 7:13-16
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

==> So basically it is fortold the house and kingdom of David will stand forever, ofcourse it did eventually fall.


Actually, the kingdom of David and his very throne are still standing today, if you know where to look! Historical, ancient archeological and modern archeological (recent history) facts confirm it's existence and location in today's modern world.


Yeah guise, you just got to use your Third Eye, and it all makes sense. It'll need to confirm it is existence!
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:29 am

Viceroy63 wrote:
waauw wrote:
john9blue wrote:
waauw wrote:example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.


and then he died

leave biblical critique to the pros, please


well then the argument is ridiculous nonetheless. Humans die, that's just the way it is, why make a prophecy about it.

How about this one then?
2 Samuel 7:13-16
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

==> So basically it is fortold the house and kingdom of David will stand forever, ofcourse it did eventually fall.


Actually, the kingdom of David and his very throne are still standing today, if you know where to look! Historical, ancient archeological and modern archeological (recent history) facts confirm it's existence and location in today's modern world.


The jewish state was invaded and conquered many times over the centuries. How the hell does this count as "forever"?
You are desperately looking for any explenation, how idiotic they may be...
Not to mention the fact that Israel isn't a monarchy, but a republic.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:33 am

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:13 am

waauw wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
waauw wrote:
john9blue wrote:
waauw wrote:example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.


and then he died

leave biblical critique to the pros, please


well then the argument is ridiculous nonetheless. Humans die, that's just the way it is, why make a prophecy about it.

How about this one then?
2 Samuel 7:13-16
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

==> So basically it is fortold the house and kingdom of David will stand forever, ofcourse it did eventually fall.


Actually, the kingdom of David and his very throne are still standing today, if you know where to look! Historical, ancient archeological and modern archeological (recent history) facts confirm it's existence and location in today's modern world.


The jewish state was invaded and conquered many times over the centuries. How the hell does this count as "forever"?
You are desperately looking for any explenation, how idiotic they may be...
Not to mention the fact that Israel isn't a monarchy, but a republic.


But I Am Not Talking About the Jewish State:
I am not referring to modern day Israel because they are only just of the Jews of the tribe of Judah. In Biblical history Jacob adopted the two son's of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, and said, "Let my name be upon them." It is the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh who are legally Israel even though collectively they are all Israelite's or "Son's of Israel." It's like saying that all Californian's are Americans but not all Americans are Californians. The Jews of Today are not the Israelites who received the Birthright blessing of immense wealth and worldly position. And certainly the throne of David would no longer reside in Palestine after the captivity of the Israelite's by Babylon. History reveals that the Jews (who were conquered later on by the persians 100 years after Babylon conquered the Israelites) did return to their home land but that the Israelites never did. The Birth Right Blessing along with the throne was transferred to Israel from Judah at the time of their Babylonian captivity and has been with the Israelite's ever since and still exist today. Archeology and Bible Prophecy confirm this fact.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Gillipig on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:43 am


You should've included this as well:

""Mr Elles, a cashier for Halifax Bank, said: "I fell asleep cooking some bacon and it had burned this face onto the pan, it's some kind of miracle.

"If it wasn't for the smoke of the bacon burning this onto the pan it could have been a very bad situation, perhaps someone's looking over me. ""

I don't know how god would've reasoned (if he was real), but considering that the Bible paints him as a pretty strict fella, I think it would be more like him to make the whole house burn down in order to make an example off, and rid mankind of stupid fools who thinks someone is looking after them everytime they're lucky! Just think about what he ordered his followers to do to that poor man who was collecting wood on a Sunday!! He told them to stone the man, this pan burning fool should not get away any easier. If god really existed, this guy would probably be dead!
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:57 am

Viceroy63 wrote:
waauw wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
waauw wrote:
john9blue wrote:
waauw wrote:example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.


and then he died

leave biblical critique to the pros, please


well then the argument is ridiculous nonetheless. Humans die, that's just the way it is, why make a prophecy about it.

How about this one then?
2 Samuel 7:13-16
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

==> So basically it is fortold the house and kingdom of David will stand forever, ofcourse it did eventually fall.


Actually, the kingdom of David and his very throne are still standing today, if you know where to look! Historical, ancient archeological and modern archeological (recent history) facts confirm it's existence and location in today's modern world.


The jewish state was invaded and conquered many times over the centuries. How the hell does this count as "forever"?
You are desperately looking for any explenation, how idiotic they may be...
Not to mention the fact that Israel isn't a monarchy, but a republic.


But I Am Not Talking About the Jewish State:
I am not referring to modern day Israel because they are only just of the Jews of the tribe of Judah. In Biblical history Jacob adopted the two son's of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, and said, "Let my name be upon them." It is the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh who are legally Israel even though collectively they are all Israelite's or "Son's of Israel." It's like saying that all Californian's are Americans but not all Americans are Californians. The Jews of Today are not the Israelites who received the Birthright blessing of immense wealth and worldly position. And certainly the throne of David would no longer reside in Palestine after the captivity of the Israelite's by Babylon. History reveals that the Jews (who were conquered later on by the persians 100 years after Babylon conquered the Israelites) did return to their home land but that the Israelites never did. The Birth Right Blessing along with the throne was transferred to Israel from Judah at the time of their Babylonian captivity and has been with the Israelite's ever since and still exist today. Archeology and Bible Prophecy confirm this fact.


and they were still invaded and conquered for centuries and they are no monarchy. My argument still stands. The government of King David's monarchy fell a very long time ago. Even if some of those original tribesmen are still alive, they lost control over their lands many times over.
examples of invaders: Persians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, Saracens, Macedonians, crusaders, Brittish, ...
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:48 pm

waauw wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:But I Am Not Talking About the Jewish State:
I am not referring to modern day Israel because they are only just of the Jews of the tribe of Judah. In Biblical history Jacob adopted the two son's of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, and said, "Let my name be upon them." It is the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh who are legally Israel even though collectively they are all Israelite's or "Son's of Israel." It's like saying that all Californian's are Americans but not all Americans are Californians. The Jews of Today are not the Israelites who received the Birthright blessing of immense wealth and worldly position. And certainly the throne of David would no longer reside in Palestine after the captivity of the Israelite's by Babylon. History reveals that the Jews (who were conquered later on by the persians 100 years after Babylon conquered the Israelites) did return to their home land but that the Israelites never did. The Birth Right Blessing along with the throne was transferred to Israel from Judah at the time of their Babylonian captivity and has been with the Israelite's ever since and still exist today. Archeology and Bible Prophecy confirm this fact.


and they were still invaded and conquered for centuries and they are no monarchy. My argument still stands. The government of King David's monarchy fell a very long time ago. Even if some of those original tribesmen are still alive, they lost control over their lands many times over.
examples of invaders: Persians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, Saracens, Macedonians, crusaders, Brittish, ...


You need to read what I wrote more carefully. The Israelites were not conquered and invaded over and over again. The Jews were but not the Israelites. The Israelites were relocated to the north, to a place between the Cacausus mountains to the North and East of what is now Turkey. The kingly line of David went with Israel and not Judah according to Bible history and prophecy. There was no Davidic dynasty in Judah after the Babylonian's.

The promise was that there should always be a descendent of David ruling Israel. And there is!

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BTW: In an above comment, some one mentions "Stupid Fools." Well the Holy Bible states quite clearly that...

"The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God."
- Psalm 53:1

I think that says it all!
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:33 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:I think that says it all!

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:26 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
waauw wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:But I Am Not Talking About the Jewish State:
I am not referring to modern day Israel because they are only just of the Jews of the tribe of Judah. In Biblical history Jacob adopted the two son's of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, and said, "Let my name be upon them." It is the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh who are legally Israel even though collectively they are all Israelite's or "Son's of Israel." It's like saying that all Californian's are Americans but not all Americans are Californians. The Jews of Today are not the Israelites who received the Birthright blessing of immense wealth and worldly position. And certainly the throne of David would no longer reside in Palestine after the captivity of the Israelite's by Babylon. History reveals that the Jews (who were conquered later on by the persians 100 years after Babylon conquered the Israelites) did return to their home land but that the Israelites never did. The Birth Right Blessing along with the throne was transferred to Israel from Judah at the time of their Babylonian captivity and has been with the Israelite's ever since and still exist today. Archeology and Bible Prophecy confirm this fact.


and they were still invaded and conquered for centuries and they are no monarchy. My argument still stands. The government of King David's monarchy fell a very long time ago. Even if some of those original tribesmen are still alive, they lost control over their lands many times over.
examples of invaders: Persians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, Saracens, Macedonians, crusaders, Brittish, ...


You need to read what I wrote more carefully. The Israelites were not conquered and invaded over and over again. The Jews were but not the Israelites. The Israelites were relocated to the north, to a place between the Cacausus mountains to the North and East of what is now Turkey. The kingly line of David went with Israel and not Judah according to Bible history and prophecy. There was no Davidic dynasty in Judah after the Babylonian's.

The promise was that there should always be a descendent of David ruling Israel. And there is!

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BTW: In an above comment, some one mentions "Stupid Fools." Well the Holy Bible states quite clearly that...

"The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God."
- Psalm 53:1

I think that says it all!


Andy; quoting the whole thing makes more sense and easier for others to follow. Not to worry though, here it is again in context for everyone to see. :D
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:37 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
waauw wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:But I Am Not Talking About the Jewish State:
I am not referring to modern day Israel because they are only just of the Jews of the tribe of Judah. In Biblical history Jacob adopted the two son's of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, and said, "Let my name be upon them." It is the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh who are legally Israel even though collectively they are all Israelite's or "Son's of Israel." It's like saying that all Californian's are Americans but not all Americans are Californians. The Jews of Today are not the Israelites who received the Birthright blessing of immense wealth and worldly position. And certainly the throne of David would no longer reside in Palestine after the captivity of the Israelite's by Babylon. History reveals that the Jews (who were conquered later on by the persians 100 years after Babylon conquered the Israelites) did return to their home land but that the Israelites never did. The Birth Right Blessing along with the throne was transferred to Israel from Judah at the time of their Babylonian captivity and has been with the Israelite's ever since and still exist today. Archeology and Bible Prophecy confirm this fact.


and they were still invaded and conquered for centuries and they are no monarchy. My argument still stands. The government of King David's monarchy fell a very long time ago. Even if some of those original tribesmen are still alive, they lost control over their lands many times over.
examples of invaders: Persians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, Saracens, Macedonians, crusaders, Brittish, ...


You need to read what I wrote more carefully. The Israelites were not conquered and invaded over and over again. The Jews were but not the Israelites. The Israelites were relocated to the north, to a place between the Cacausus mountains to the North and East of what is now Turkey. The kingly line of David went with Israel and not Judah according to Bible history and prophecy. There was no Davidic dynasty in Judah after the Babylonian's.

The promise was that there should always be a descendent of David ruling Israel. And there is!

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BTW: In an above comment, some one mentions "Stupid Fools." Well the Holy Bible states quite clearly that...

"The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God."
- Psalm 53:1

I think that says it all!


As if that area wasn't invaded and conquered :roll:

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:19 am

Viceroy63 wrote:Not to worry though


Oh, we won't, but thanks for your show-and-tell presentation. It was adorable.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:28 am

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CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


To the second:

Jesus while in Bethany, instructs two of his disciples to "go to ahead to the village ahead of you; there, as you enter, you will find a colt tied on which no one yet has ever sat; untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? you shall say, the Lord has need of it". So those who were sent went away and found it just as He had told them. As they were untying the colt, its owners said to them, "Why are you untying the colt?". They said, The Lord has need of it. They brought it to Jesus, and they threw their coats on the colt and put Jesus on it. As He was going, they were spreading their coats on the road. As soon as He was approaching, near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the miracles which they had seen, Shouting:
"Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"
Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples". But Jesus answered, "I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!" When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, "If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation". Luke 19:30-44

This is to fulfill Daniel, Isaiah, Zachariah (foretelling of this event 600+ years ahead of time) If the disciples were a tad late, someone else rides the colt that no one has ever ridden. Everything was and is under the sovereign control of God, nothing occurs outside His time-line, not even a second. Why? God is the creator of time on the 4th day of creation.

The example can continue, but why? you want your god, that you came from rock, that you are not responsible for your sins to God. I'm fine with your belief. just be honest with yourself that evolution is faith based and nigh observable. Because your eternal soul depends on your response to what God has been telling you.


example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.


By your own admission, Adam Died. But to clarify, before the fall of mankind, there was no death. This is no physical death and no spiritual death. Thusly all that had the breath of life were immortal. No carnivores:
Genesis 1:30 "and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food". Life will return to how it was: Isaiah 11:6 "The wolf will dwell with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. Also the cow and the bear will graze, their young will lie down together, the lion will eat straw like the ox...

But when Adam and Eve sinned, not only was it determined for them to die physically, but they were dead spiritually and needed atonement for their sin. That's why God sacrificed and killed the first animal on earth in Genesis 3:21 "The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.". When sin occurs, something dies. In the temporal it can be sickness, loss of relationship, lost employment, essentially quality and/or quantity of life. But in the bigger picture, the eternal soul dies as well, which means eternity of absence away from God in the darkness of hell.

So Adam and Eve didn't immediately physically die, but they immediately spiritually died. The result is they needed a savior to pay the cost of their sins. The wages of sin is death. When sin occurs something has to die. That is why Jesus died on the cross and rose from the grave 3 days later. He paid in full for the penalty of sin of all those who believe in Him. Freeing mankind from the cost of sin.

Though sin has been paid for eternally, there are still consequences for our sin temporally while on earth.

The argument that the Devil used was to twist the words of God, the Devil said, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden?" The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'" The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!..." God was speaking about spiritually and physically. The serpent was only referencing dying physically right after chewing. The serpent twisted God's word.

The result of Jesus Christ dying on the cross, the righteous one for the unrighteous, is that the mortal life on earth, will put on immortality in the future. All those who confess Jesus as Lord and savior will become immortal in heaven.

The reality is all will one day bend a knee to Jesus. Some in exaltation in adoration and love, most in abject humiliation and suffering for rejecting the creator as God and placing God with something nigh observable, something man made, something that doesn't move, nor talk.

Someone please try and find an error in the Bible, please try and find a contradiction. Can't be done. Why? Because it's God inspired, God breathed His truth through mankind to write over a period of 3,000 years using 35 different writers to all be in harmony. This is humanly impossible to do. Can't write about future events before they occur. And that happened 2,000+ times in the Bible.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:36 am

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

This is humanly impossible to do.


I agree with this part of your post.


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:40 am

universalchiro wrote:Someone please try and find an error in the Bible, please try and find a contradiction. Can't be done. Why? Because it's God inspired, God breathed His truth through mankind to write over a period of 3,000 years using 35 different writers to all be in harmony. This is humanly impossible to do. Can't write about future events before they occur. And that happened 2,000+ times in the Bible.


These are two examples I already gave before:

2 Samuel 7:13-16
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

==> So basically it is fortold the house and kingdom of David will stand forever, ofcourse it did eventually fall.

Exodus 20(the ten commandments) ==> "You shall not murder"
1 Samuel 15: 2-3 ==> "This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

==> In other words God forbids murder, yet he himself orders the genocide of an entire people and not just the men, but also women and children(the children didn't do anything, they are innocent). How very nice to worship a God who is vengeful, ruthless and can't make up his mind. So please tell me how God did not contradict himself.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:12 am

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


Noah's Ark was found in the Mountains of Ararat in Turkey. Built exactly as the Bible described it, built with the same wood as the Bible said, built with the same length, height and depth as the Bible describes it and resting in the location the Bible said it was. Genesis chapters 6-9. Read it and search, you will find. Ask for truth, you will get it. Knock and the door will be open to you. God is waiting for you.

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http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah%27s_ark.htm
http://planet.infowars.com/outdoors/exp ... -noahs-ark
They have found timber, laid out with bulk heads, a keel, keelson, etc.
They found huge stones with a hole at the top, 3 on each side. These provide stabilization and prevent rocking and movement. Clearly for a ship, not meant to move, but to survive.

If you are too comfortable in believing in evolution and don't want truth, then just laugh and poke fun. But if you still have a mind and desire for truth, then you owe this to your eternal soul to seek for truth. Don't delay!
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:14 am

universalchiro wrote:just laugh and poke fun.


I agree with this part of your post.


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:48 am

waauw wrote:
universalchiro wrote:Someone please try and find an error in the Bible, please try and find a contradiction. Can't be done. Why? Because it's God inspired, God breathed His truth through mankind to write over a period of 3,000 years using 35 different writers to all be in harmony. This is humanly impossible to do. Can't write about future events before they occur. And that happened 2,000+ times in the Bible.


These are two examples I already gave before:

2 Samuel 7:13-16
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me[a]; your throne will be established forever.’”

==> So basically it is fortold the house and kingdom of David will stand forever, ofcourse it did eventually fall.

Exodus 20(the ten commandments) ==> "You shall not murder"
1 Samuel 15: 2-3 ==> "This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

==> In other words God forbids murder, yet he himself orders the genocide of an entire people and not just the men, but also women and children(the children didn't do anything, they are innocent). How very nice to worship a God who is vengeful, ruthless and can't make up his mind. So please tell me how God did not contradict himself.


oh waauw, I already address the Amelekites. They were performing child sacrifices to a god. And Murder in the 10 Commandments is illegal killing for example murder. God sent messenger after messenger that if the Amelekites didn't change from their evil illegal murder, God would justifiably judge them.


http://www.levitt.com/hebrew/commandments.html
"Hebraic Insight…

The Jewish sages note that the word “ratsakh” applies only to illegal killing (e.g., premeditated murder or manslaughter) — and is never used in the administration of justice or for killing in war. Hence the KJV translation as “thou shalt not kill” is too broad.

Since man is made in the image of God, his life is infinitely precious — only God Himself has the right to give and take life. In the Mishnah it is written, “Why was only one man (i.e., Adam) created by God? — to teach that whoever takes a single life destroys thereby a whole world.”

But murder can be figurative as well as literal. The Talmud notes that shaming another publicly is like murder, since the shame causes the blood to leave the face. Moreover, gossip or slander are considered murderous to the dignity of man. The Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers) states, “The evil tongue slays three persons: the utterer of the evil, the listener, and the one spoken about…” The Lord Jesus also linked the ideas of our words and attitudes with murder (see Matt. 15:19).
(hebrew)
“Thou Shalt Not Kill” Is Thou Shall not illegally murder.
— Ex. 20: "


As far as King David's house standing forever? This too is very easy to see when someone searches for truth.
Let's look at the Genealogy of Jesus:
Matthew 1:1-18 This is through the legal line of Jesus' earthly father. Since Joseph didn't sire Jesus, for to fulfill prophecy, Jesus was virgin born, the wording changes from all the forefathers till it gets to Joseph. On all of the forefathers it says so and so was the father of so and so, but when it gets to Joseph, it says "Joseph the husband of Mary. To underscore that Joseph didn't sire Jesus, though he was his earthly father. Also, the genealogy starts off with Jesus the Messiah, the son of David. Clearly stating the line of King David is to Jesus.
Luke give a different genealogy, Luke 3:23-38. This genealogy is through the blood line of Mary.

Interesting that one genealogy goes from Jesus through King David to Adam to God. The other goes from God through Adam, through King David to Jesus. They go in opposite directions, a legal line through Joseph and a blood line through Mary. Why? To be redundant for the nay sayers, to be clear.

So the question is, is Jesus the King of the Jews?
Luke 23:3 Jesus on trial by Pilate for claiming to be God, Pilate asks Jesus, "Are you the King of the Jews?" And Jesus answered him and said, "It is as you say". And they put a crown of thorns to mock Him for being King of the Jews and they scourged Him with whips that had metal shards at the tip, that ripped the flesh off His back, then while bleeding and beaten and spat upon and beard pulled out, they mocked Him again by putting a royal purple robe on his opens wounds. As the blood coagulated, then they stripped Him of the royal robe. Humiliating Jesus they nailed Him to a cross and hung a placard above Him that read "THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS." Luke 23:38. All the while Jesus did not turn His face away when they beat Him, He did not fight back, He willingly went as a lamb to the slaughter. Why?

All this was foretold to occur, to every word that proceeded out of Jesus' mouth was to fulfill prophecy. And guess who was overseeing all this and all this pleased Him to see Jesus being nailed to the cross? God the Father. Isaiah 53:10... Why?

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

But that's not the end of the story... Revelation 21 & 22 The lamb that died on the cross will come down and reign from Jerusalem and His glory will put the sun and moon to shame, there will be no night in the region for His glory will light all. And this will be forever and ever.

So the lineage of King David, his offspring will indeed reign on the throne forever through Jesus the Christ. But a hidden truth is that God has always been King of Israel, from ancient of days even through now. Most of the time this is not physically seen with our eyes. But 1 Samuel 8:7 gives clarity that God has always been King and that God of the the trinity is Jesus. "The LORD said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them."
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