Post Any Evidence For God Here

[BigBallinStalin]

The answer: All miscarriages are a result of sin.

That can only be true if you hold to the misguided and frankly evil position that sex is always a sin. Are you that misguided and evil?

Has woodruff accurately stated God's view on sex? Does God think all sex is sinful?
Proverbs 5:15 (setting: King Solomon inspired with the words & wisdom of God: warns to avoid adultery, verses 1-14. Then says" drink water from your own cistern and fresh water from your own well should your springs be dispersed abroad, streams of water in the streets? Let them be yours alone and not for strangers with you. Let your fountain be blessed and rejoice in the wife of your youth. As a loving hind and a graceful doe, let her breast satisfy you at all times. Be exhilerated always with her love. For why should you my son be exhilarating with an adulteress & embrace the bosom of a foreigner. For the ways of a man or before the eyes of the LORD and he watches all his path". This verse is a tiny fraction of the erotic yet veiled sexual passion in the Bible. Yes God tells us to drink in our own wife, this is literally her fluids and figurately her love. The fountain in this section is the Penis & the springs are our sperm. God is saying put your springs only in your wife, not other women. The book Song of Solomon is 8 chapters of veiled erotic poetry of a husband & his wife. So strong is the passion and eroticism that it will make a grown man blush.

Does a God that created the penis & the hormones for desire of a woman think all sex is sinful & evil? Does a God that instructs a husband to drink in his wife until intoxicated thinks sex is sinful and evil? Does a God that placed breast on a woman & instructs the husband to caress his wife like a tender doe, think sex is evil? Does a God that creates mankind naked & says be fruitful & multiply, think sex is evil? Does a God that has an entire book dedicated to the veiled erotic passion of honeymoon conception think sex is evil?

No.

God created sex. God created the enjoyment of sex. But sex outside of marriage is self love, is putting selfish desire before God's command of marriage and this is improper love,. Equal to greed, immorality, love of self which equals idolatry. Colossians 3:5

You still need to demonstrate that your claim, "All miscarriages are a result of sin," is true.

Good luck revealing the mind of God and showing that you actually have access to God's mind.


Oh, and apparently you have been claiming that you know what God wants of yourself and of others. Any heretic can do the same, so please differentiate yourself from a heretic.

[Woodruff]

The answer: All miscarriages are a result of sin.

That can only be true if you hold to the misguided and frankly evil position that sex is always a sin. Are you that misguided and evil?

Has woodruff accurately stated God's view on sex? Does God think all sex is sinful?

Woodruff hasn't. You did. A miscarriage cannot happen without sex. A miscarriage can happen very shortly after sex. Therefore, if "all miscarriages are the result of sin", then all sex must be sinful. Or is it that only sex that results in a pregnancy is sinful...is that what you meant?

You do a lot of dancing around with bullshit without actually addressing the point. Were you going to?

[jonesthecurl]

Or are you suggesting that married people of good character never have a miscarriage. Because if so, please say so. I think there's a few of us out here, not to mention multitudes throughout history, who would call "bullshit".
How do you feel about stillbirths? Are they the result of sin too?
How about women who die in childbirth? All guilty?

[Symmetry]

A lot of Christians think abortion is a sin. Given that miscarriages and stillbirths are abortions, he's only being orthodox.

[jonesthecurl]

miscarriages and stillbirths are abortions.

wtf?

[waauw]

miscarriages and stillbirths are abortions.

wtf?

lol asking myself the same question here.
@symmetry: could you please elaborate on that?

[john9blue]

i think technically they are considered non-induced abortions

edit: "spontaneous abortions"

[Woodruff]

i think technically they are considered non-induced abortions

edit: "spontaneous abortions"

Correct. I'm sure that's what he was referring to.

[jonesthecurl]

So is he saying "abortion" is a sin even if it's unintentional? Or what?

[tzor]

A lot of Christians think abortion is a sin. Given that miscarriages and stillbirths are abortions, he's only being orthodox.

That would be like saying that since murder is a sin then dying of natural causes is a sin. In fact that is exactly what you are saying; you are just being specific. A miscarriage is a cause of natural death; an abortion is a deliberate killing with malice aforethought.

[Woodruff]

So is he saying "abortion" is a sin even if it's unintentional? Or what?

He's sarcastically saying that God must be a sinful creature, since spontaneous abortions happen naturally.

At least, that's what I think he's shooting for. It seems like a non-useful statement to me. Then again, based on everything else I've seen in this thread, it fits right in.

[Viceroy63]

So is he saying "abortion" is a sin even if it's unintentional? Or what?

He's sarcastically saying that God must be a sinful creature, since spontaneous abortions happen naturally.

At least, that's what I think he's shooting for. It seems like a non-useful statement to me. Then again, based on everything else I've seen in this thread, it fits right in.

Death and decay is the natural result of sin.

It began in the heavens, in this very universe in which we live when angels sinned against God bringing this universe into a state of death and decay. That is what we see in the heavens and not a form of galatic/universal evolution but a universe in a state of decaying and dying because of sin.

This continued into our world that God had recreated perfectly and it was all good until through one man entered sin, death and decay into our newly recreated world, Earth; 6,000 years ago. After that it was all sin, death and decay.

If by some chance, Sin had never managed to enter into our world then Death would be an unknown thing to us as a fact of life. Yes we would still see the effects of sin in the universe but we would never know what a still born baby was. We would not be able to fully understand what that thing called death was or even decay. We would see stars die but could never imagine what it would be like for another person to die.

In this sense, because sin entered into our world, we die! All death and decay in this world and in the universe around us, is the direct result of sin.

[tzor]

Death and decay is the natural result of sin.

That's an interesting assertion. I would like to see you attempt to prove it; even biblically. Death and Decay clearly exist as a necessary condition in the garden of Eden; at the very least to the various plants that produced fruits; for their fruits would "die" when eaten by Adam and Eve. So I think it is safe to assume that decay and death always went hand in hand. Remember that Adam was told not to eat of the fruit; lest he die, not lest that every creature on the earth would die. They did not eat that fruit, and yet they died.

[Woodruff]

So is he saying "abortion" is a sin even if it's unintentional? Or what?

He's sarcastically saying that God must be a sinful creature, since spontaneous abortions happen naturally.

At least, that's what I think he's shooting for. It seems like a non-useful statement to me. Then again, based on everything else I've seen in this thread, it fits right in.

Death and decay is the natural result of sin.

No. Death and decay are the natural result of living.

It began in the heavens, in this very universe in which we live when angels sinned against God bringing this universe into a state of death and decay.

Prove it.

This continued into our world that God had recreated perfectly and it was all good until through one man entered sin, death and decay into our newly recreated world, Earth; 6,000 years ago. After that it was all sin, death and decay.

Prove it.

If by some chance, Sin had never managed to enter into our world then Death would be an unknown thing to us as a fact of life. Yes we would still see the effects of sin in the universe but we would never know what a still born baby was. We would not be able to fully understand what that thing called death was or even decay. We would see stars die but could never imagine what it would be like for another person to die.

You state this as fact, yet it is impossible to even come close to proving.

In this sense, because sin entered into our world, we die! All death and decay in this world and in the universe around us, is the direct result of sin.

Typical religious blathering.

[Viceroy63]

Death and decay is the natural result of sin.

That's an interesting assertion. I would like to see you attempt to prove it; even biblically. Death and Decay clearly exist as a necessary condition in the garden of Eden; at the very least to the various plants that produced fruits; for their fruits would "die" when eaten by Adam and Eve. So I think it is safe to assume that decay and death always went hand in hand. Remember that Adam was told not to eat of the fruit; lest he die, not lest that every creature on the earth would die. They did not eat that fruit, and yet they died.

Well, Biblically the the Tree of Life represents a world where nothing would die. The tree of life was denied to Adam and Eve after they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. It is spelled out very clearly in Genesis, and live for ever. It was intended that nothing should die...

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
-Genesis 3:22

Now when I say "Die," I may have over used that word because a blade of grass will die when eaten by an animal in the sense that a blade of grass is a living organism but it is not the same to say that a man dies as a blade of grass also die??? But a comparison is made in the Bible that...

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other;...
-Ecclesiastes 3:19

So there is a difference in the way things die or decay. Eventually however, and as it was meant to be originally from the Beginning, This world was to become a world where nothing dies as referred to in the book of Revelation when the Tree of life is brought back to restore and to heal all mankind. That was the plan from the beginning but man had to Choose to Obey God in order to live for ever.

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
-Revelation 2:22

You see, it's the very same "Tree of Life" of Genesis but now at the end it is for the healing of nations of People that none may die. When all things are restored even animals will not know death for nothing will die according to the word of God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
-Revelation 12:4

This was and is the plan but only those who choose to obey God and repent in their hearts and minds will ultimately end up living for ever in a world that never ends and never feels any pain or sorrow or dies. Not even the animals eventually when the new heavens and the new earth are created and all things are fully restored, Again, just like the earth was restored 6,000 years ago. Only this time it will be restored once and for all time along with the rest of the Universe.
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As for the animals dying, that has to do with who is in charge here on earth. If Adam and Eve had taken Charge then all that was sick would have been given of that same tree of life to live. Even the animals. In fact the animals would have instinctively known to go and eat of that tree as a dog eats grass when it is sick. But God took away that tree of life because the devil is the one in charge of this world, and so the tree had to be taken away otherwise the misery of a mans life due to sin would have simply continue for ever, rather that the 120 years we now have max before we can simply rest in peace.

Creation was done very well but it was not complete. It was a work in progress still, and man needed to eat of that tree of life. All of creation needed to eat of that tree. That was the intention and the plan. One way or another, Man will learn to obey God or he will simply die off into an eternity of nothing with no chance of ever being resurrected back to life after a billion years in some 4th, 5th or 6th resurrection. The Bible speaks of only three resurrection and that's it. When the Party is over, it's over and if you're not there then you're no where. The death penalty for sin is eternal and there is just no coming back after that sentence is carried out in the third resurrection.

I hope that I answered your question Biblically. Thanks!

[waauw]

So is he saying "abortion" is a sin even if it's unintentional? Or what?

He's sarcastically saying that God must be a sinful creature, since spontaneous abortions happen naturally.

At least, that's what I think he's shooting for. It seems like a non-useful statement to me. Then again, based on everything else I've seen in this thread, it fits right in.

Death and decay is the natural result of sin.

It began in the heavens, in this very universe in which we live when angels sinned against God bringing this universe into a state of death and decay. That is what we see in the heavens and not a form of galatic/universal evolution but a universe in a state of decaying and dying because of sin.

This continued into our world that God had recreated perfectly and it was all good until through one man entered sin, death and decay into our newly recreated world, Earth; 6,000 years ago. After that it was all sin, death and decay.

If by some chance, Sin had never managed to enter into our world then Death would be an unknown thing to us as a fact of life. Yes we would still see the effects of sin in the universe but we would never know what a still born baby was. We would not be able to fully understand what that thing called death was or even decay. We would see stars die but could never imagine what it would be like for another person to die.

In this sense, because sin entered into our world, we die! All death and decay in this world and in the universe around us, is the direct result of sin.

I'll repeat what I and others here have asked. Got any proof to support that?(and by that I don't mean bible verses)

[BigBallinStalin]

Good. Looks like universalcairo made a big enough fool of himself here. Thanks for playing! Come back again!

[Symmetry]

i think technically they are considered non-induced abortions

edit: "spontaneous abortions"

Hence they are abortions.

[Symmetry]

A lot of Christians think abortion is a sin. Given that miscarriages and stillbirths are abortions, he's only being orthodox.

That would be like saying that since murder is a sin then dying of natural causes is a sin. In fact that is exactly what you are saying; you are just being specific. A miscarriage is a cause of natural death; an abortion is a deliberate killing with malice aforethought.

You are incorrect.

Medically

The medical term for miscarriage is spontaneous abortion.

And legally:

malice aforethought

A predetermination to commit an act without legal justification or excuse.

[universalchiro]

how is one supposed to know what should be done without having all the facts?

Imperfectly?

2 Timothy 3:16- "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work."
But mankind has rejected God and and rejected God as creator. And God Himself has said, "Mankind says, "to a tree, 'You are my father,' And to a stone, 'You gave me birth.' For they have turned their back to Me and not their face; But in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise and save us." But where are your gods which you made for yourself? Let them arise, if they can save you. In the time of your trouble; For according to the number of your cities are your gods,.." Jeremiah 2:27-28 Evolution is nothing new. Mankind has already been there and God will judge.

The result:
"The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world. His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools... Therefore God gave them over in the lust of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped a served the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions;...God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful, and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them." Romans 1:18-32

Miscarriages are a result of sin. For the wages of sin is death. Before the fall of mankind, there were no miscarriages. God is allowing us to choose. And most people are rejecting God and choosing sin. Most miscarriages are a result of sinful lifestyle, ie prior abortions, drug use, husband and wife physically fighting, etc. God never does anything evil, God never tempts someone, . So the evil from a miscarriage, is as a result of our own sinful activities. Even our sins can be passed down to the 3rd-4th generation. Since everything is under the sovereign control of God, He allows the consequences of our sins to carry out.

The answer: All miscarriages are a result of sin. And God allows this to occur. Why? We have free will. God uses all outcomes for good though. So what is meant by mankind to be evil, for those who submit to God as Lord and Savior, the result will turn out for good. Romans 8:28 "God causes all thing to work together for good tho those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. ..."

I didn't read your entire text as I don't have time for it today. However I did read that last paragraph of yours. You say all miscarriages are a result of sin. By that definition we should see a strong correlation between the variables "sin" and "misscariage". In other words, people who do more crimes get more misscariages or people with a certain degree of sins get misscariages. So do you have any evidence supporting this statement?

Waauw, I think your question is a fair question....
There is no data on miscarriages and being saved or not being saved. For we can't see someone's spirit whether they are saved and going to Heaven or have rejected God and going to Hell. Even the church has non-believers that play church well, but are not saved. We have strong indicators whether someone is going to Hell or Heaven by what comes out of their mouth. For all who confess Jesus as Lord and Savior will be saved and their actions will authenticate their converted heart. Conversely if someone says they are a Christian, yet their actions are showing otherwise, then they need to rethink their position with God. All mankind has sinned and all are under the curse of sin, which is death. All mankind are born into sin, for every human chromosome is from their parents and all trace their heritage to Adam and Eve, so from the passing of chromosomes from Adam and Eve, each offspring is passing corrupted sinful chromosomes. Even all of creature/nature is subjected to the curse of sin. Before the fall of mankind, there was no death. Nothing that had the breath of life in them ever died.

There is ample evidence that there is a strong correlation between "sin" and consequences of sin. Just look at the prison system. They are filled with people that have violated the laws that mankind has established based on the Bible. God is clear that He establishes governments and we are to be obedient to government. Daniel 4 clarifies God puts people in power, He establishes kingdoms.
Romans 13:1- Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

Romans 8:18-
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

What is this groaning, suffering, decay? Death (Fall), Burial (Winter), Resurrection (Spring) and Life (Summer). Even creation testifies of God's work on the cross.

The Bible correctly states the Law of Entropy before Physics discerned this law: That all things go towards decay.
Psalm 102: 26-In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Like clothing you will change them
and they will be discarded.
27 But you remain the same,

Summary for waauw: There is ample evidence of the link of sin and the consequence of sin in society. Also the Bible clearly states there is a cause and effect. Be sinful and the consequence of those sins will come on you. Be holy and God will bless you so that you prosper (not speaking of finances, though that is plausible. I'm speaking more of peace, relationships, honor, contentment, joy, love, gentleness, kindness, self-control, meekness, etc). But no data is kept on who is saved and not saved, so there is no data on whether being saved results in less or more miscarriages. The Bible tells all are subject to the curse of sin, which is death, even creation/nature.

Here's the bottom line: God is sovereign over everything, nothing occurs outside of His overall plan. Even the dice, their every outcome is of God Proverbs 16:33. But God allows us to freely carry out our lives within His overall plan and the consequences of our choices/sin, He will pour out our own wickedness on ourselves. Jeremiah 14:16. So it's us storing up our own wrath that God will pour out on us, our actions store up either blessings to be poured out onto us, or our own wickedness store up wrath to be poured out onto us. And who does the pouring? God is the judge of all, He said, "I will pour out their own wickedness on them:Jeremiah 14:16... So when blessings come, new job, promotion, child, conflict resolution, etc. the credit goes to God. And when our wickedness is poured out onto us, God gets the credit for being a righteous judge and we bear the consequences of our sins. But God is a patient God, not wanting any to perish. He knocks on the door of your heart, daily. Patiently waiting for one to open the door and receive Him as Lord of their life and receive salvation, peace, joy, purpose, freedom from the guilt of sin.

[Metsfanmax]

So is he saying "abortion" is a sin even if it's unintentional? Or what?

He's sarcastically saying that God must be a sinful creature, since spontaneous abortions happen naturally.

At least, that's what I think he's shooting for. It seems like a non-useful statement to me. Then again, based on everything else I've seen in this thread, it fits right in.

Death and decay is the natural result of sin.

No. Death and decay are the natural result of living.

Actually...

[Viceroy63]

I'll repeat what I and others here have asked. Got any proof to support that?(and by that I don't mean bible verses)

Death and decay is the natural result of sin.

That's an interesting assertion. I would like to see you attempt to prove it; even biblically....

I answered from the Bible because the challenge was made if I could show that from the Bible.

My premise is that the original intention of creation was not a dying world but a living world. But that sin changed that.

No intention can be proven, only documented. "He said, She said" But the actions are what is visible. For the actions of God to be seen in full we must simply wait until the final judgment of all things for there is an end to all things and a final judgment to be feared by all creation.

That we live in a dying universe does not mean that it had or has to be this way. But even the laws of physics agree and testify that our universe and our world is in a constant state of decay and death. But this in no means is evidence that this world or this universe had or has to be this way.

[jonesthecurl]

Waauw, I think your question is a fair question....
There is no data on miscarriages and being saved or not being saved. For we can't see someone's spirit whether they are saved and going to Heaven or have rejected God and going to Hell. Even the church has non-believers that play church well, but are not saved. We have strong indicators whether someone is going to Hell or Heaven by what comes out of their mouth. For all who confess Jesus as Lord and Savior will be saved and their actions will authenticate their converted heart. Conversely if someone says they are a Christian, yet their actions are showing otherwise, then they need to rethink their position with God. All mankind has sinned and all are under the curse of sin, which is death. All mankind are born into sin, for every human chromosome is from their parents and all trace their heritage to Adam and Eve, so from the passing of chromosomes from Adam and Eve, each offspring is passing corrupted sinful chromosomes. Even all of creature/nature is subjected to the curse of sin. Before the fall of mankind, there was no death. Nothing that had the breath of life in them ever died.

There is ample evidence that there is a strong correlation between "sin" and consequences of sin. Just look at the prison system. They are filled with people that have violated the laws that mankind has established based on the Bible. God is clear that He establishes governments and we are to be obedient to government. Daniel 4 clarifies God puts people in power, He establishes kingdoms.
Romans 13:1- Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

Romans 8:18-
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

What is this groaning, suffering, decay? Death (Fall), Burial (Winter), Resurrection (Spring) and Life (Summer). Even creation testifies of God's work on the cross.

The Bible correctly states the Law of Entropy before Physics discerned this law: That all things go towards decay.
Psalm 102: 26-In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Like clothing you will change them
and they will be discarded.
27 But you remain the same,

Summary for waauw: There is ample evidence of the link of sin and the consequence of sin in society. Also the Bible clearly states there is a cause and effect. Be sinful and the consequence of those sins will come on you. Be holy and God will bless you so that you prosper (not speaking of finances, though that is plausible. I'm speaking more of peace, relationships, honor, contentment, joy, love, gentleness, kindness, self-control, meekness, etc). But no data is kept on who is saved and not saved, so there is no data on whether being saved results in less or more miscarriages. The Bible tells all are subject to the curse of sin, which is death, even creation/nature.

Here's the bottom line: God is sovereign over everything, nothing occurs outside of His overall plan. Even the dice, their every outcome is of God Proverbs 16:33. But God allows us to freely carry out our lives within His overall plan and the consequences of our choices/sin, He will pour out our own wickedness on ourselves. Jeremiah 14:16. So it's us storing up our own wrath that God will pour out on us, our actions store up either blessings to be poured out onto us, or our own wickedness store up wrath to be poured out onto us. And who does the pouring? God is the judge of all, He said, "I will pour out their own wickedness on them:Jeremiah 14:16... So when blessings come, new job, promotion, child, conflict resolution, etc. the credit goes to God. And when our wickedness is poured out onto us, God gets the credit for being a righteous judge and we bear the consequences of our sins. But God is a patient God, not wanting any to perish. He knocks on the door of your heart, daily. Patiently waiting for one to open the door and receive Him as Lord of their life and receive salvation, peace, joy, purpose, freedom from the guilt of sin.

This is the logic of trial by combat: God will not let the bad guy win. And only God knows who's good or bad.
For evidence, you invite us to look at the fact that the people in prison are mostly those who broke laws. Stunning logic. Well done, I'd never have known that.

[universalchiro]

The answer: All miscarriages are a result of sin.

That can only be true if you hold to the misguided and frankly evil position that sex is always a sin. Are you that misguided and evil?

Has woodruff accurately stated God's view on sex? Does God think all sex is sinful?
Proverbs 5:15 (setting: King Solomon inspired with the words & wisdom of God: warns to avoid adultery, verses 1-14. Then says" drink water from your own cistern and fresh water from your own well should your springs be dispersed abroad, streams of water in the streets? Let them be yours alone and not for strangers with you. Let your fountain be blessed and rejoice in the wife of your youth. As a loving hind and a graceful doe, let her breast satisfy you at all times. Be exhilerated always with her love. For why should you my son be exhilarating with an adulteress & embrace the bosom of a foreigner. For the ways of a man or before the eyes of the LORD and he watches all his path". This verse is a tiny fraction of the erotic yet veiled sexual passion in the Bible. Yes God tells us to drink in our own wife, this is literally her fluids and figurately her love. The fountain in this section is the Penis & the springs are our sperm. God is saying put your springs only in your wife, not other women. The book Song of Solomon is 8 chapters of veiled erotic poetry of a husband & his wife. So strong is the passion and eroticism that it will make a grown man blush.

Does a God that created the penis & the hormones for desire of a woman think all sex is sinful & evil? Does a God that instructs a husband to drink in his wife until intoxicated thinks sex is sinful and evil? Does a God that placed breast on a woman & instructs the husband to caress his wife like a tender doe, think sex is evil? Does a God that creates mankind naked & says be fruitful & multiply, think sex is evil? Does a God that has an entire book dedicated to the veiled erotic passion of honeymoon conception think sex is evil?

No.

God created sex. God created the enjoyment of sex. But sex outside of marriage is self love, is putting selfish desire before God's command of marriage and this is improper love,. Equal to greed, immorality, love of self which equals idolatry. Colossians 3:5

You still need to demonstrate that your claim, "All miscarriages are a result of sin," is true.

Good luck revealing the mind of God and showing that you actually have access to God's mind.


Oh, and apparently you have been claiming that you know what God wants of yourself and of others. Any heretic can do the same, so please differentiate yourself from a heretic.

"All miscarriages are a result of sin": The wages of sin is death. Prior to the sin of Adam and Eve, there was no death. All Miscarriages are a death of life. Therefore, before sin, there was no miscarriages.

Miscarriages can be a result of 3 generations prior to of unrepentant sin. Exodus 20"20 And God spoke all these words:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. So the death of miscarriage can be either from immediate sin, parental sin, but all are subject and are under the bondage of the curse of sin from Adam and Eve. But through the pain of loss, Romans 8: 28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose."

Do Christians have access to the mind of God? The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c] 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ."

So yes, Believers in God, those that are saved, have the mind of Christ and can rightly discern the Scriptures given to us by God. And this is why I speak with authority of matters concerning the heart. Not because of my mind, but for that which the Holy Spirit reveals to all believers. The truths contained within the Bible.

The Bible is God's own testimony of Himself, what He has already done, what He will do and who He is. The Bible is also God's requirements for us. So that we have wisdom to be skilled at living and have life more abundantly and how to avoid the consequences of sin. But God came for all to believe, for all to see, for all He sent His Son to die an agonizing death on the cross to bear in full their cost of sin. God is here waiting for you.

I don't need to prove myself, for I'm not saying anything about me. I'm merely saying what God has declared. So to distinguish me from any heretic, still goes back to the scriptures. Even if the rankest sinner, quotes John 14:6 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." The power of that verse can change lives. Sure the fruit of someone's life determines whether one listens, but God's word is a roaring Lion, it just to be unleashed and it will change lives. Not the cleverness of the one sharing the word of God.

[universalchiro]

Good. Looks like universalcairo made a big enough fool of himself here. Thanks for playing! Come back again!

Thank you B.B.S. for the verbal persecution.
Matthew 5: 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

B.B.S. , God is knocking at the door of your heart, He is patient for you.