TOMBSTONE MAFIA *Day 7* MAFIA WIN!!!!!!

[Fircoal]

Not on Day 1. Never on Day 1!

What not on day 1?

[mandalorian2298]

Not on Day 1. Never on Day 1!

What not on day 1?

No Lynch. Never, ever vote No Lynch on Day 1. It's a double gift for Mafia: No danger of lynch to them & no new info for the townies.

[unriggable]

Not on Day 1. Never on Day 1!

What not on day 1?

No Lynch. Never, ever vote No Lynch on Day 1. It's a double gift for Mafia: No danger of lynch to them & no new info for the townies.

Yeah, but see to me nobody has said anything outright insane.

[jnd94]

just wait...

[The1exile]

Not on Day 1. Never on Day 1!

What not on day 1?

No Lynch. Never, ever vote No Lynch on Day 1. It's a double gift for Mafia: No danger of lynch to them & no new info for the townies.

Yeah, but see to me nobody has said anything outright insane.

So lynch the submariners.

[jnd94]

Not on Day 1. Never on Day 1!

What not on day 1?

No Lynch. Never, ever vote No Lynch on Day 1. It's a double gift for Mafia: No danger of lynch to them & no new info for the townies.

Yeah, but see to me nobody has said anything outright insane.

So lynch the submariners.

many submariners have a good enough excuse, but that doesnt mean all.... who hasnt been talking?

[MountainLion]

Okay so I'm confused now. Should we lynch or not? Maybe we should start from there and then if it's good to lynch, then try to figure out who

How much time do we have?

[sheepofdumb]

Just remeber. I'm not subarmining, just busy.

[jnd94]

Just remeber. I'm not subarmining, just busy.

sure.....

[got tonkaed]

i have to say in the small number of games i have played i havent ever seen as many players support a no lynch. Im not saying i havent seen a player ask for no lynch but to have as many experienced players vote for one seems a little amiss. I would think it certainly possible that amongst the few players who have suggested no lynch that there may be scum amongst.

[sheepofdumb]

Just remeber. I'm not subarmining, just busy.

sure.....

What's that supposed to mean? I'm posting. The amount of posts are fewer though.

[jnd94]

Just remeber. I'm not subarmining, just busy.

sure.....

What's that supposed to mean? I'm posting. The amount of posts are fewer though.

i no, just tryin to get things moving

[sheepofdumb]

Just remeber. I'm not subarmining, just busy.

sure.....

What's that supposed to mean? I'm posting. The amount of posts are fewer though.

i no, just tryin to get things moving

Oh

[MountainLion]

i would suspect the more experianced players

Would everyone agree though that there's always one or two mafia that submarine because they're not confident in their ability to interact without making a mistake? Maybe we should draw out the submariners to get more information.

[Balsiefen]

i have to say in the small number of games i have played i havent ever seen as many players support a no lynch. Im not saying i havent seen a player ask for no lynch but to have as many experienced players vote for one seems a little amiss. I would think it certainly possible that amongst the few players who have suggested no lynch that there may be scum amongst.

i agree, as i posted earlier i think the scum is more experianced than usual.

i'm going to look through that anti-lynch post again....

[Balsiefen]

Mmmm, lots of stuff in the day I missed. I'm pleased to see some of it is serious discussion, as well.

I want to weigh in on the whole "random vote" thing. In general, although I seldom do it, I think random voting on day one is a good thing for the town. Part of the voting process is to pressure players, trying to force them to make a slip-up. A single vote generally doesn't accomplish this, but it does start the process.

And, ultimately, even if no one makes a slip, a random vote can lead to a random bandwagon. This, IMHO, is actually good for the town, if the town reacts correctly. First off, bandwagoners are prime suspects for future days. Second, if played right, bandwagons can force a roleclaim, which provides the town information. Either a confirmed townie, or a slip by the mafia. Sure, odds are that our poor townie will die at the hands of the mafia over night, but the mafia was going to kill someone anyway. And, frankly, this is a numbers game. Trading a townie for a scum is always worth it.

However, here comes my major gripe about mafia, and the forum culture here. This group of players routinely misplays bandwagons (obviously, not everyone here is implicated, but enough of you are that it pays to make this point). I can't count the number of times I've seen someone drop the hammer for the sake of "we need a lynch" or some other crap. The town does not need a lynch, unless the odds are good that the town is lynching mafia. It is better for the town to end the day with no lynch than it is to screw up and lynch a power role, or even a townie.

Frankly, when I play scum, I rejoice every time I see someone voting for the sake of a deadline - especially if that is their only consideration. So, for the sake of the town, for God's sake, don't lynch someone just because you can! And count the fricking votes! If someone is at lynch -1, don't vote. That is, unless you're certain he's scum. The point of putting a player close to lynch is to force them to roleclaim. If they won't claim, or if someone counter claims, then lynch them. But, always always always wait for one of those conditions.

Bah. Sorry. Rant over. And really, this is the wrong thread to be posting this in; I should probably cross-post this to NV3, since I think that group of n00bs needs the advice a lot more.

And, lastly, Unvote. I'm going to re-read this thread and see if I can't find a few scum.

ok one problem with this is that if no one makes a slip up and there is no lynch on 1st day there is less likely to get a good lynch on 2nd day-no mafia will die if we dont give ourselves anything to learn from, losing two townies is always worth gaining one mafia, at the start anyway.

[Aegnor]

unvote
vote Aimless advocating No Lynch on the first Day.
FOS Lion listening to his evil ways.

Vote Madny for pressing lynch on Aimless for the wrong reasons.
Someone is lynch-happy today?

[The1exile]

unvote
vote Aimless advocating No Lynch on the first Day.
FOS Lion listening to his evil ways.

Vote Madny for pressing lynch on Aimless for the wrong reasons.
Someone is lynch-happy today?

FOS Aegnor because I see nothing wrong with mandy's reasons.

[got tonkaed]

I would have to agree aegnor there is really nothing wrong with mandy thinking that someone who doesnt want a day one lynch is a bit questionable.


FOS aegnor.

[jnd94]

Someone is lynch-happy today

are you not?

FOS-Aegnor

[mandalorian2298]

i have to say in the small number of games i have played i havent ever seen as many players support a no lynch. Im not saying i havent seen a player ask for no lynch but to have as many experienced players vote for one seems a little amiss. I would think it certainly possible that amongst the few players who have suggested no lynch that there may be scum amongst.

BIG GAME= Possible second mafia

[got tonkaed]

it is pretty crazy i know to suggest that when more people than normal are advocating a no lynch, which isnt a great town move, to assume that it might be a bit of a scummish result.

Lol and you voted aimless for using the no lynch idea.

[I GOT SERVED]

I'd have to point an FOS at Aegnor simply for jumping down Mandy's throat.

But other wise, Mandy does have a point.....

[Syzygy]

I'm going to Vote: Aegnor.

He shouldn't be advocating no lynching on the first day. Seriously, it serves only to help the mafia.

[jnd94]

I'm going to Vote: Aegnor.

He shouldn't be advocating no lynching on the first day. Seriously, it serves only to help the mafia.

ya Unvote Vote- Aegnor he should know by now that no-lynch is bad. Unless he is scum, therefore, he wants it....