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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:01 pm

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Yeah, well my vaccine hasn't done anything to me weird yet.

Come on you debbie downers! Does it matter who takes it and who doesn't? Can't we just accept other peoples choices in life without gett-

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jonesthecurl on Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:10 pm

Or indeed your brain or integrity.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:53 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Or indeed your brain or integrity.


Well said, Jonesy. Not only does saxi spew false news and toss out red herrings, he has to vomit vitriol, too.

And note that he had NO response to my three points. I guess all those words confused or intimidated him, especially since there were no PICTURES to make comprehension closer to his level.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:44 pm

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jay_a2j on Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:00 pm

jusplay4fun wrote: The vaccine is not dangerous


I can only POST it, I can't make you WATCH it.

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:34 am

My points stand and I am not taking time to watch videos. I want to read your ideas, not watch what others say or think.

If you cannot articulate or even express your own ideas, it is not worth my time looking at other stuff. You can try again.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:57 am

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Yeah, well my vaccine hasn't done anything to me weird yet.

Come on you debbie downers! Does it matter who takes it and who doesn't? Can't we just accept other peoples choices in life without gett-

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All is well, join me in vaccinated paradise. Nothing to fret. :D


I think you miss a key point. With so many NOT getting the vaccinated, we do not achieve Herd Immunity and we, as a species and/or nation allows the virus to mutate into more harmful variants. The outbreak now by the Delta variant is what we were warned about and is now causing major concern.

I went to my regular grocery store today; it was very busy there. I look around me and many were wearing masks. I asked myself if the policy in the store changed. I think a lot of it is FEAR. Since I am fully vaccinated (Pfizer, mRNA vaccine) I have not bothered wearing my mask. I did put new masks in my car for use as needed, JUS in case.

I think for much of June and July, those who wore masks were the unvaccinated or those with significant health issues. I think fear of delta has now changed so that more people are wearing masks. I did travel by air recently and was REQUIRED to wear mask at the airport and on the plane; I did not like that, but followed the rules.

Rather than having a national policy/rule/mandate, there are RULES by all different groups (companies/states/cities/business/entities/schools). Where I teach, the national group we follow has not set their policy, so it is now up to our local Board. There is much different opinion on the effectiveness and NEED for masks. The same is true for vaccine efficacy and safety, as noted here in this Forum thread.

My wife and I are both vaccinated. My neighbors are split. He got it, but she (wife) is reluctant. She claims concern about blood clots. I told her that is an issue with J&J (the OLD technology) and not with the mRNA vaccines. Her reply: I will ask my physician. (GOOD idea..!! btw). My response: ask the expert, not a layman like me. I plan to follow up and see what her physician tells her and how she responds.

SADLY, the issues of masks and vaccines has moved into politics and "Tribal" matters. If I am --------(conservative, Republican, fundamentalist Christian, anti-vaxer, OR MORE), THEN I REFUSE to mask and get the vaccine. Democrats and liberals are more likely to do both. As I recall, Southern states have a lower level of vaccination. I think that level of education is also a factor; those less educated are more likely NOT to get vaccinated, as I recall. However, I have not researched education level correlation, tbh.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:30 am

saxitoxin wrote:
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Yeah, well my vaccine hasn't done anything to me weird yet.

Come on you debbie downers! Does it matter who takes it and who doesn't? Can't we just accept other peoples choices in life without gett-

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All is well, join me in vaccinated paradise. Nothing to fret. :D



I guess at a certain point it's impossible for your dick to shrink any smaller.

You didn't complain about it last night you putz.

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DirtyDishSoap wrote:Bad joke


Stuff about my stuff


Personally, really could care less on who gets vaccinated or not. I haven't yet, truth be told, and I might get it, I might not. Not that I believe in the hoot nanny thats been going on about the vaccines, just lack of real motivation to get it other than "Wear a mask! HURRR!"

Point is, leave me alone, I leave you alone. If I die from COVID, can put this on my Epitaph:

"Gave Zero Fucks."
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:44 am

SCIENCE FACT 1: A 35 year-old 5'10" 160 lbs non-smoking white male living in New York with no preexisting conditions has a chance of dying from COVID-19 of about 1-in-3,000,000 in the next year. [https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator]

SCIENCE FACT 2: By comparison, the same person has a 1-in-500,000 chance of being hit by lightning in the next year. [https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html#:~:text=Lightning%20is%20one%20of%20the,only%20around%201%20in%20500%2C000.]

SCIENCE FACT 3: There is no (read: zero) long-term safety data about mRNA-based vaccines used on humans. None. Zero. No such vaccine had ever been used on a human until eight months ago. They are probably safe, however, there is no real-world data.

SCIENCE FACT 4: The Delta variant is more transmissable but not more lethal than the Alpha variant. This is the normal course of all viruses - they become more contagious and less pathogenic over time, as the virus adjusts to ensure its own survival. The Zeta variant will probably be more transmissable and less lethal than Delta. [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-is-delta-more-infectious-and-deadly-new-research-holds-answers]

Choosing not to take the Frankenvax is a rational, intelligent choice for many people.

[cue outrage and vague accusations of lying]
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby KoolBak on Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:53 am

I would like to know the odds of death by Unga-Bunga in Virginia for an average adult white male....
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:57 am

You live in Oregon though?
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jay_a2j on Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:52 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:My points stand and I am not taking time to watch videos. I want to read your ideas, not watch what others say or think.

If you cannot articulate or even express your own ideas, it is not worth my time looking at other stuff. You can try again.


It's your funeral pal. I'm just trying to help you but if you don't want the help, so be it. My idea's are formed from Dr's, like the ones in the video that you refuse to watch and I'm sure that if you won't listen to them, you ain't going to listen to me.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby KoolBak on Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:13 pm

DirtyDishSoap wrote:You live in Oregon though?


:lol: Yes. But, you see, we don't practice that here....
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:23 pm

saxitoxin wrote:SCIENCE FACT 1: A 35 year-old 5'10" 160 lbs non-smoking white male living in New York with no preexisting conditions has a chance of dying from COVID-19 of about 1-in-3,000,000 in the next year. [https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator]

SCIENCE FACT 2: By comparison, the same person has a 1-in-500,000 chance of being hit by lightning in the next year. [https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html#:~:text=Lightning%20is%20one%20of%20the,only%20around%201%20in%20500%2C000.]

SCIENCE FACT 3: There is no (read: zero) long-term safety data about mRNA-based vaccines used on humans. None. Zero. No such vaccine had ever been used on a human until eight months ago. They are probably safe, however, there is no real-world data.

SCIENCE FACT 4: The Delta variant is more transmissable but not more lethal than the Alpha variant. This is the normal course of all viruses - they become more contagious and less pathogenic over time, as the virus adjusts to ensure its own survival. The Zeta variant will probably be more transmissable and less lethal than Delta. [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-is-delta-more-infectious-and-deadly-new-research-holds-answers]


Choosing not to take the Frankenvax is a rational, intelligent choice for many people.

[cue outrage and vague accusations of lying]



I am glad, saxi, that:

1) you finally quote Science, and
2) you cite sources. You actually use one of the SAME source as I (NatGeo). GOOD.

Comparing lightning to COVID is a stretch, but I will accept your data at face value.

As far as your 4 points, I have little doubt.

However, you failed to refute my points. TRY AGAIN, saxi, I see IMPROVEMENT by you. STRIVE to get better.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:00 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:SCIENCE FACT 1: A 35 year-old 5'10" 160 lbs non-smoking white male living in New York with no preexisting conditions has a chance of dying from COVID-19 of about 1-in-3,000,000 in the next year. [https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator]

SCIENCE FACT 2: By comparison, the same person has a 1-in-500,000 chance of being hit by lightning in the next year. [https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html#:~:text=Lightning%20is%20one%20of%20the,only%20around%201%20in%20500%2C000.]

SCIENCE FACT 3: There is no (read: zero) long-term safety data about mRNA-based vaccines used on humans. None. Zero. No such vaccine had ever been used on a human until eight months ago. They are probably safe, however, there is no real-world data.

SCIENCE FACT 4: The Delta variant is more transmissable but not more lethal than the Alpha variant. This is the normal course of all viruses - they become more contagious and less pathogenic over time, as the virus adjusts to ensure its own survival. The Zeta variant will probably be more transmissable and less lethal than Delta. [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-is-delta-more-infectious-and-deadly-new-research-holds-answers]


Choosing not to take the Frankenvax is a rational, intelligent choice for many people.

[cue outrage and vague accusations of lying]



I am glad, saxi, that:

1) you finally quote Science, and
2) you cite sources. You actually use one of the SAME source as I (NatGeo). GOOD.

Comparing lightning to COVID is a stretch, but I will accept your data at face value.

As far as your 4 points, I have little doubt.

However, you failed to refute my points. TRY AGAIN, saxi, I see IMPROVEMENT by you. STRIVE to get better.


I have no need to refute any of your points. I am arguing for the status quo, the burden is yours to refute mine.

Recitation of Facts

    1. COVID-19 can be deadly, but - for 95% of people - is no worse than a bad cold. Many people are less likely to die of COVID-19 than they of being struck by lightning.

    2. The technology behind the mRNA and viral vector-based COVID-19 vaccines has (a) never been used before in human history, (b) have absolutely no data on long-term safety beyond the 8 month mark, (c) are being manufactured by companies with absolutely no monetary incentive to get it right (they have been granted total civil immunity).

    3. Vaccines have, in the past, revealed safety deficiencies only after several months-to-years of general use. One of the vaccine companies, Johnson & Johnson, recently had to settle a $2 billion lawsuit after it was revealed their talcum powder gave people cancer. This fact only became apparent after 30 years. Vaccines are more complex than talcum powder.

    4. Therefore, it is reasonable for many - but not all - people not to be vaccinated, or to wait a few months for a subunit or inactivated virus vaccine to become available.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:09 pm

Vaccine MEGA POLL:

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:39 pm

saxitoxin wrote:SCIENCE FACT 1: A 35 year-old 5'10" 160 lbs non-smoking white male living in New York with no preexisting conditions has a chance of dying from COVID-19 of about 1-in-3,000,000 in the next year. [https://covid19risktools.com:8443/riskcalculator]

That is likely correct. Three major problems with it.

Problem one is that you've cherry-picked the healthiest slice of the population. Of course under-35s have the lowest chance of dying. When you're under 35 (and especially when you're in that magical age between 15 and 30) you survive most things at a much higher rate than older people. No guff. Only 36% of Americans are under 35. (link) Of those 24% are prediabetic (link) and 10% are full-blown diabetic (link). Another 10% smoke (link) and another 7% are asthmatic (link). Those probably aren't fully summable (there's probably a lot of overlap) but on the other hand it's not an exhaustive link of pre-existing conditions, either. I think it's a safe bet that a third of your under-35s have some kind of pre-existing condition. So even in your cherry-picked age group, there are a lot of people with risk factors that elevate their risk. I'd wager that after all is said and done, only something like 20% of the population can be as cocky as your exemplar.

Problem two is that you keep talking about death as if that was the only possible negative outcome. A serious illness is a bad thing. Only about 3% of covid patients worldwide have died, but 10% have had non-lethal but serious long-term health effects. (link) Even among those with no underlying health conditions, 7% required hospitalization (link) (The number goes up to a staggering 40% of those with serious pre-existing conditions.) Even if you have a relatively mild case, being sick at home and feeling like shit for two weeks is worse than NOT being sick at home and feeling like shit for two weeks. There is absolutely no upside to having this illness.

Problem three, of course, is social. Unless you came from outer space, you probably have a dad with severe hypertension or a grandma with emphysema. Even if you have a completely asymptomatic case with no ill effects for yourself, you could pass along a lethal dose of the disease to them. Being vaccinated reduces your chance of transmitting the disease to others by half. (link)


saxitoxin wrote:SCIENCE FACT 3: There is no (read: zero) long-term safety data about mRNA-based vaccines used on humans. None. Zero. No such vaccine had ever been used on a human until eight months ago. They are probably safe, however, there is no real-world data.

There's no theoretical reason to assume any long-term effects. Risks from vaccines are always short-term: the possibility of a serious, immediate adverse reaction. We have enough data now to know with great precision the (extremely low) incidence of adverse reactions.

saxitoxin wrote:SCIENCE FACT 4: The Delta variant is more transmissable but not more lethal than the Alpha variant. This is the normal course of all viruses - they become more contagious and less pathogenic over time, as the virus adjusts to ensure its own survival. The Zeta variant will probably be more transmissable and less lethal than Delta. [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-is-delta-more-infectious-and-deadly-new-research-holds-answers]

Again, you're ignoring the fact that death is not the only unpleasant outcome of being ill. Even a relatively mild case is something to be avoided. A more severe case can put you in bed for a month, or in the hospital, or in the ICU. It can lead to permanent loss of lung capacity or other severe-but-non-lethal health effects.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby KoolBak on Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:51 pm

I honestly don't understand why the argument

Ya know what's fucking scary? ALS. 100% death rate. Odds in general of getting, 1 in 1000. Worst for white males.

My best friend and brother in law got it at 30. Dead at 34. I can't imagine a worse way to go.

No vaccine. No potential vaccine. No cure. No chance of survival.

f*ck YOU ALS.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby HitRed on Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:05 pm

I like the outer space option. ;)

It seems the new government goal is eradication of the virus (which is impossible).
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:10 pm

KoolBak wrote:I honestly don't understand why the argument

Ya know what's fucking scary? ALS. 100% death rate. Odds in general of getting, 1 in 1000. Worst for white males.

My best friend and brother in law got it at 30. Dead at 34. I can't imagine a worse way to go.

No vaccine. No potential vaccine. No cure. No chance of survival.

f*ck YOU ALS.


ALS is not spread by close contact. COVID is, like the flu and the common cold and other respiratory diseases.

Compare death rates for the two:
ALS Statistics
Most people who develop ALS are between the ages of 40 and 70, although the disease can occur at a younger age.
It occurs throughout the world with no racial, ethnic or socioeconomic boundaries.
It affects as many as 30,000 in the United States, with 5,000 new cases diagnosed each year.
Estimates suggest that ALS is responsible for as many as five of every 100,000 deaths in people aged 20 or older.
ALS is most common among persons over age 60.


618.000 cases of death due to COVID in the USA so far, in some 18 months or so. ODDS of dying of COVID, a CONTAGIOUS disease, is a greater concern.

ALS Facts
ALS is not contagious.
90% of ALS cases are sporadic. ALS can strike any race or ethnic background, at any age.
It is estimated that ALS is responsible for nearly two deaths per hundred thousand population annually. More people die every year of ALS than of Huntington's disease (about 5 times higher) or multiple sclerosis.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:20 pm

saxitoxin on Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:00 pm said:

I have no need to refute any of your points. I am arguing for the status quo, the burden is yours to refute mine.


I have already refuted your lies and then you want to quote facts that I see no need to refute. Duk brought up several good points and he shows again the fallacy of your arguments that basically attempts to defend your opinions.

If you do not want to take the vaccine, so be it. BUT as I already said, saxi thinks ONLY of HIMSELF and does not factor the cost or harm to others. And your (potential) death is not the only negative impact of COVID.

You are not that important, saxi. What happens to you is not that significant to the rest of the world, saxi. SORRY to AGAIN break that to you.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:29 pm

Dukasaur wrote:Problem one is that you've cherry-picked the healthiest slice of the population.


No, I fully support people who are in higher-risk groups getting vaccinated, if they choose. However, when I give my calculations into Science [https://19andme.covid19.mathematica.org/], Science tells me the following about my risk of contracting COVID-19:

    Among people in your county who have behaviors and levels of interaction with others that are similar to yours, the estimated probability of catching COVID-19 through community transmission in a week is 0.093% . For comparison, 0.41% of Americans catch the flu every week during flu season.

It tells me my overall risk is:

    Among people who are the same age, sex, and health status as you and get sick from COVID-19, the risk of hospitalization is 2.4% , the risk of requiring an ICU is 1.1% , and the risk of not surviving is 0.1%.


In other words, I have a 1-in-1000 chance of having a 1-in-50 chance of a severe reaction to COVID-19. I would have to roll a "1" on a 1,000-side die, and then roll a "1" a second time on a 50-side die in order to get Long Covid or be hospitalized. These odds are absolutely astronomical.

And, in fact, my actual risk is probably much lower than this even. Science tells us that 80% of people with serious complications from COVID-19 have a Vitamin D deficiency (overall about half the population is Vitamin D deficient). I do not have a Vitamin D deficiency.

Give the astronomical odds of a severe reaction to COVID-19, why would I be climbing over glass to take an experimental vaccine that had no long-term safety data? There is absolutely no rational, Science-based reason for me to get vaccinated.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:35 pm

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jusplay4fun wrote:My points stand and I am not taking time to watch videos. I want to read your ideas, not watch what others say or think.

If you cannot articulate or even express your own ideas, it is not worth my time looking at other stuff. You can try again.


It's your funeral pal. I'm just trying to help you but if you don't want the help, so be it. My idea's are formed from Dr's, like the ones in the video that you refuse to watch and I'm sure that if you won't listen to them, you ain't going to listen to me.


I have NO reason to listen to you. I respond to comments made and attempt to refute lies from saxi and others about the COVID vaccine. Should I watch you video to look for lies?

I have read plenty from doctors (physicians), epidemiologists, and other informed people who know lots about this matter. You fail to enlighten me and I see no need to watch your video. You offer me no cogent reason to watch. I am reasonably well-informed on this matter and I do not need your video to enlighten me. You are NOT inclined to even offer a summary or synopsis; I actually wonder if you can. And you need to learn how to properly use the apostrophe. Those errors give me less reason to trust what you write.

NOTE that before I gave those LONG quotes for saxi and posted them, I summarized them in 5 brief sentences. I did that since saxi cannot read well after the 2nd paragraph, especially since I did not include pictures or a video.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:38 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:I did that since saxi cannot read well after the 2nd paragraph, especially since I did not include pictures or a video.


That's not false.
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Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:39 pm

saxi said:
There is absolutely no rational, Science-based reason for me to get vaccinated.


This shows saxi weak logic and poor analysis from the facts presented. He draws the wrong conclusion from his statements. QED
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