Vice Presidentress Gets COVID-19 -- Says the Line!

[saxitoxin]

Old Joe is going to make his latest national address in an hour. Will he pledge to shut down the virus?

[2dimes]

Is the shampoo still ok?

Is it called Soylent green, or does it say 'made by Tyler Durden and Co' on it?

then yes, its fine.

I'd have to go look. I think it says "soft as cotton".

[mookiemcgee]

Is the shampoo still ok?

Is it called Soylent green, or does it say 'made by Tyler Durden and Co' on it?

then yes, its fine.

I'd have to go look. I think it says "soft as cotton".

That sounds EXTREMELY DANGEROUS

[2dimes]

I don't know if this is the stuff I've been using or some Canadian version.

https://www.johnsonsbaby.com/baby-produ ... -baby-wash

[mookiemcgee]

[mookiemcgee]

:shock:

I don't know if this is the stuff I've been using or some Canadian version.

https://www.johnsonsbaby.com/baby-produ ... -baby-wash

If it's made out of REAL human babies than I think it's safe, you just don't want the kind with artificial ingredients.

[Doc_Brown]

Interesting. That chart was very selective in the start date for counting deaths, which was convenient since Covid swept through the (Democratic) NE states early on. If you look at all Covid deaths, AL, MS, and AZ are still in the top 4 with 3200-3400 deaths/million, but New Jersey jumps to #3. A whole slew of blue, purple, and red states (including New York, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts) have 2800-3000 deaths/million.

You can easily scan the list with the maps on this page:
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/

[saxitoxin]

You can easily scan the list with the maps on this page:
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/

They're not interested in science; objectively looking at data to arrive at informed conclusions.

They're interested in Scientism; the pseudo religious worship of whatever disjointed factoids and charts are paraded in front of them, mindlessly regurgitated with a spiritual reverence.

"The emails suggest a feedback loop: The media cited Dr. Fauci as an unquestionable authority, and Dr. Fauci got his talking points from the media .. This is how groupthink works." - WSJ
https://t.co/lZpTGSUwSD

[saxitoxin]

In Chicago, beginning January 3, an unvaccinated person free of COVID can't enter a restaurant. But a vaccinated person fully infected and mass shedding the virus is free to go in and infect everyone.

That's Scientism instead of Science. The incoherent assemblage of bits and pieces of Science into a ludicrous and nonsensical whole, as though you can fill up a plate of Science as easily as going through the Wendy's salad bar. Whatever land grant college the Rat rank and file got their BA degrees in sociology from, they need to ask for a refund.

[DoomYoshi]

Wendys has salad bars?

[saxitoxin]

CNN was caught spreading fake news based on Scientism again, claiming an unvaccinated American in Texas just died of Omicron.

Dan Cohen decided to pursue Science instead of Scientism, and called the hospital who bluntly stated they had no evidence the cause of death was COVID-19.

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status ... 3579923456

This is what Rats mean when they bleat about Science; a hodge-podge of fake news and factual but disconnected trivia arranged to create a mosaic of support for broad policy objectives rather than the discovery of fact. That's how they manage to pull the death rates of retirement communities for a disease that primarily effects the elderly and confidently barf out bizarre assertions like "Trump voters are dying of COVID-19!!!" After having voted men into women, they truly believe they can simply vote facts into existence. If they can just get enough votes, they can make cows produce chocolate milk.

[mookiemcgee]

Wendys has salad bars?

not since COVID!!!

Also, who eats at wendy's salad bar Saxi? Do you order avocado toast at the Golden Corral too?

[2dimes]

Wendys has salad bars?

not since COVID!!!

Also, who eats at wendy's salad bar Saxi? Do you order avocado toast at the Golden Corral too?

They closed them here in the early 1990s. They were pretty good back then though.

The only salad bar like thing here in the last decade was at a few giant Chinese buffets.

[saxitoxin]

Also, who eats at wendy's salad bar Saxi? Do you order avocado toast at the Golden Corral too?

EXCUSE ME.

I never said I EAT at salad bars.

(I have some friends who like to hang out at salad bars, though.)

[mookiemcgee]

Are we almost at the end of the era of Trump's 'rushed spike protein vaccines'?

Is the new Biden's American Military Vaccine going to save us from the failed and deadly Trump vaccines and their horrible side effects (such as Death per trump supporter Saxitoxin)?

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2 ... ts/360089/

"Walter Reed’s Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine, or SpFN, completed animal trials earlier this year with positive results. Unlike existing vaccines, Walter Reed’s SpFN uses a soccer ball-shaped protein with 24 faces for its vaccine"

[jusplay4fun]

CNN was caught spreading fake news based on Scientism again, claiming an unvaccinated American in Texas just died of Omicron.

Dan Cohen decided to pursue Science instead of Scientism, and called the hospital who bluntly stated they had no evidence the cause of death was COVID-19.

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status ... 3579923456

This is what Rats mean when they bleat about Science; a hodge-podge of fake news and factual but disconnected trivia arranged to create a mosaic of support for broad policy objectives rather than the discovery of fact. That's how they manage to pull the death rates of retirement communities for a disease that primarily effects the elderly and confidently barf out bizarre assertions like "Trump voters are dying of COVID-19!!!" After having voted men into women, they truly believe they can simply vote facts into existence. If they can just get enough votes, they can make cows produce chocolate milk.

These Rats must have gone to the same school saxi attended where they learned to try to cobble a False Narrative based on "disconnected trivia."

And everyone knows chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

[bigtoughralf]

Has no one else noticed that Omicron is an anagram of 'moronic'? The 'scientists' (spies) making up all this Covid nonsense are clearly now just openly laughing at the idiots who still believe there is a pandemic.

WEARING A MASK IS LIKE TRYING TO KEEP A FART IN YOUR TROUSERS

[jimboston]

Why are people still talking about this?

The simple, unquestionable, demonstrable FACT is that vaccinated people are significantly less likely to catch Covid than unvaccinated people… and IF they do catch Covid vaccinated people are significantly less likely to need hospitalization or die.

This is true in all regions of the country, and among all demographics. It is also true (as best as we can tell) for all current known variants.

Furthermore Vax-Boosted individuals have an even greater level of protection.

Finally, vaccinated people have greater immune response than people who have been previously infected. Natural resistance (i.e. resistance due to prior infection) does provide some level of protection but it is NOT as effective as the vaccine. If you ave had Covid the vaccine adds additional resistance.

The data is out there.

This is no longer debatable.

Stop talking about it and get a freaking shot!

[saxitoxin]

The simple, unquestionable, demonstrable FACT is that vaccinated people are significantly less likely to catch Covid than unvaccinated people… and IF they do catch Covid vaccinated people are significantly less likely to need hospitalization or die than unvaccinated people who are over age 55, morbidly obese, or have a comorbidity like HIV or diabetes.

Disinformation fixed.

This is no longer debatable.

That's not how Science works. That's how Scientism works.

Science is always debatable. It evolves as we learn new things. That's why we don't believe the Sun revolves around the Earth. People examine, debate, and challenge existing orthodoxy.

Because there are people in this world who are more intellectually curious than you, Jim, and who don't just blindly do what daddy says because daddy isn't debatable we now know -- since yesterday -- that the CDC, in some areas, is reporting that more people are vaccinated than there are, in fact, people.

[saxitoxin]

Gym and the fam desperately trying to make it to Federal Injection Site 436/B for their 27th boosters.

[saxitoxin]

SCIENCE:


SCIENTISM:


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The Biden administration has been sidelining vaccine experts

The U.S. government, over the past few weeks, has made three important decisions on vaccines without consulting independent panels of experts. On Nov. 19, the Food and Drug Administration authorized boosters for all adults — regardless of their job or any underlying health conditions. On Nov. 29, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced that everyone 18 and above should get a booster shot, a revision of previous guidance that strongly recommended boosters only for those 50 and older. Then, on Dec. 9, the FDA authorized booster shots (of Pfizer) for 16- and 17-year-olds, moving the age of eligibility down from 18.

Before last month, the standard practice was for the agencies to convene standing outside advisory committees, whose members inspect the relevant data, debate it and vote. That did not happen in these cases, meaning that the costs and benefits of these policy moves, from a medical perspective, were not fully aired publicly and discussed in advance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... ert-panel/

[jimboston]

This is no longer debatable.

That's not how Science works. That's how Scientism works.

Science is always debatable. It evolves as we learn new things. That's why we don't believe the Sun revolves around the Earth. People examine, debate, and challenge existing orthodoxy.

I agree with your statement in general terms but not specific.

At some point questions do essentially become “no longer debatable” because the science is in and the only people still trying to continue the debate are the loonies.

Your example of the spherical Earth revolving around a spherical Sun is a good example… it’s no longer debatable. There are still loonies trying to pretend the “Earth is flat”… but it’s a waste of time trying to debate then because they have closed their minds to reality. That’s basically where you stand right now.

(BTW… I’m not trying to claim the evidence for vaccine efficacy in general, or this vaccine efficacy in specific, is as solid as the evidence is for a spherical Earth… but it’s solid enough that all your points hold no weight.)

[Doc_Brown]

I would point out that I posted a link a couple days ago to a study of more than 800,000 people that indicated that the vaccine was no longer effective after about 6-9 months, both in terms of infections and seriousness of the infections. A massive study from Israel earlier this year found that natural immunity was significantly more effective than vaccines. So, no, it's not appropriate to say that it's no longer debatable. From the studies I've read, I think it's completely fair to say that in the first 3 months after vaccination, vaccinated individuals appear to have the highest available resistance to covid. But the resistance supplied by the vaccines steadily declines, and it appears that after 3 months, natural immunity is superior. After 9 months, vaccines provide no resistance at all.

Edit: Here was the post:

This is a very interesting study in Sweden about the long-term effectiveness of the vaccines: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3949410

The short version is that the effectiveness of all of the vaccines declines steadily over time to the point of being largely ineffective at preventing symptomatic and serious covid infections 9 months after vaccination. In fact, the data even seems to suggest that at 9 months after vaccination, you're potentially more at risk of contracting serious covid infections than if you had never been vaccinated. In other words, if you have been vaccinated, it is important to get boosters every 6 months or you may actually end up in an immunocompromised state relative to covid.

[mookiemcgee]

I would point out that I posted a link a couple days ago to a study of more than 800,000 people that indicated that the vaccine was no longer effective after about 6-9 months, both in terms of infections and seriousness of the infections. A massive study from Israel earlier this year found that natural immunity was significantly more effective than vaccines. So, no, it's not appropriate to say that it's no longer debatable. From the studies I've read, I think it's completely fair to say that in the first 3 months after vaccination, vaccinated individuals appear to have the highest available resistance to covid. But the resistance supplied by the vaccines steadily declines, and it appears that after 3 months, natural immunity is superior. After 9 months, vaccines provide no resistance at all.

Edit: Here was the post:

This is a very interesting study in Sweden about the long-term effectiveness of the vaccines: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3949410

The short version is that the effectiveness of all of the vaccines declines steadily over time to the point of being largely ineffective at preventing symptomatic and serious covid infections 9 months after vaccination. In fact, the data even seems to suggest that at 9 months after vaccination, you're potentially more at risk of contracting serious covid infections than if you had never been vaccinated. In other words, if you have been vaccinated, it is important to get boosters every 6 months or you may actually end up in an immunocompromised state relative to covid.

Does the study have anything to say about how long 'natural immunity' lasts? (genuine question, since you've read the study)

[Doc_Brown]

It actually doesn't. The Sweden study looked at some 4 million people and was able to identify pairs of people with similar demographics and risk factors, where one person was vaccinated and the other was never vaccinated or infected (to the best of their knowledge). The resulting group had a bit over 800,000 vaccinated and an identical number of unvaccinated. They compared infection rates at different time intervals. Beyond 240 days after vaccination, the vaccinated individuals were *more* likely to experience a symptomatic infection than were the unvaccinated individuals. In general, the vaccinated individuals were less likely to develop a severe infection, though the mean effectiveness compared to unvaccinated declined to about 20%, and vaccinated individuals with various risk factors were actually more at risk of severe infection.

So the Sweden study tried to avoid natural immunity considerations. One question about their results is the number of unvaccinated people that unknowingly had a prior covid infection or that had an asymptomatic case during the study window, thus developing some level of natural immunity. That factor may artificially reduce the effectiveness calculation for the vaccines and partly explain why the data appears to suggest that vaccinated individuals that don't get regular booster shots could end up in an immunocompromised state.