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Postby Truman on Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:17 pm

I believe that Jesus Christ is my Savior Who died for me on the Cross, and I try to serve Him as best I can, and try to lead others to accept Him. Most Christians are afraid to say this anywhere, but I'm not. :lol:

On the subject of the "Origin of Life," I'm creationist. I've heard the many idiotic arguments evolutionists or skeptics put up on how "All creationists say is..." blah blah blah, whatever. I've heard 'em all. All of 'em. Every one. All the lies and dumb people who are basically saying "I'm smart, you're dumb. I'm right, you're wrong; and there's nothing you can do about it." It's basic Matilda talk.

Do I understand what I'm talking about? Yes. I've debated two atheists in two VERY long debates on a different website (I won't say the name, because many will go there and join, but never post except maybe one time and say how skeptical they are and leave for good). One atheist had several college degrees (as he claims he does), and one was studying in college. I defeated both according to the rules of debate. Both of them failed to respond to each statement I made and said things at the end like, "All you've said is..." and "You don't understand the scientific method." Whatever. Idiots, the both of them. It's true, I cannot lie. If only I could post my statements here on any "Creation vs. Evolution" subject (if one ever comes up). The only problem is, no one likes to read long statements on this forum, and over there, it's common to post extremely long messages of wisdom (whatever you'd want to call it, I don't care; I call them "messages of wisdom" :wink:). And most everyone reads the entire statement.

How smart am I? I couldn't tell you because there are many public school kids in here and I wish not to offend anyone. :lol: I was considered on that site as "...the most knowledgable on the subject of creation and intelligent design," and most admitted the fact that, though I was young, knew much about science....at least the Christians there did. :wink:.

So, what am I saying? I'm saying there is a God, that there's overwhelming amounts of evidence to prove it, and even Einstein said there must have been a beginning. Well, I'll ask this. Is it more logical to believe: In the beginning God... or In the beginning Dirt (note the capital "D").

Anotehr thing to ponder, does anyone know everything? No.

...

Does anyone know half of everything? No.

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Ok, imagine you knew half of everything. Is it possible that God exists in the other half you don't know? :wink: Then someone might say, "No, because god is undefined, and there is no reason to believe in something that natural phenomena can explain." I told you I knew all the responses. Well, I've got to say to that person, "The God of the Bible is indeed defined, and if you'd look into the information found, it is much more logical to believe God created it than a rock did." Where could information come from? The First Law of Thermodynamics states roughly that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Well then, how could evolution occur? Hmm, I sense a problem. But, they'll say, "Well God couldn't do it then either! HA!" Question, who did you just say couldn't do it? God, right? Since when is God brought down to the level of man?

I get this kind of idiotic statement many times, put into different forms. A rough form of it could be asking something like, "Can God make a rock so big He can't lift it?" Right there you're bringing God down to the level of man, and not considering He's God. This question is based on "Can God do everything?" Of course not. He can't learn for one (already knows it all). He can't sin. He can't do anything unrighteous. This is something I get all the time, on how "God is so cruel; he puts people in hell cause he's mean." Whatever. This is based on the assumption that man is good, when he is not. Have you lied? You're a lier then. Have you stolen? Then you're a thief. Have you looked lustfully at another woman? Jesus said those who do this have committed adultery already in their hearts. Have you done this? Yes, so you're an adulterer. These are just three of the Ten Commandments (and there are more than just the Ten Commandments to live by). You are a thieving, lying, adulterer. Sounds pretty just to throw you into Hell. God cannot stand sin. You can't walk in like it's a bar. It's not like the cartoons where it's an eternal dream taking place in the clouds. It's holy. How do you get there? Commit your heart to Jesus. Duh.

Back to the "God can't lift the rock" thing. Anyway, Jesus often answered a question with a question. What do you say to these morons who ask this crap? Well "In geometry, a ray goes on forever in one direction, and a line goes on forever in both directions. Tell me, which one is longer?" You ask 'em to answer that and then you'll tell him about the rock.

That's pretty much all I have to say, and this post is very long, considering most of you hate long posts (I can't imagine why; just read the damn thing instead of sitting around taking Africa or whatever).

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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:29 pm

Can I have your autograph? :)


Finally, someone with logic. Just beware of vtmarik he's a tough nut to crack. :wink:
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:31 pm

dagreatbroomhead wrote:damn it someone asked it already? give me a guess, how far back was it?





TRUMAN just addressed it on page 20.(this page)
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Postby Pilate on Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:03 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:God can do all things....even stop the earth's rotation, atmosphere and on any given day my or your heartbeat.



Take God out of the BOX.


If God can do all things, how come you are so against evolution?

biased hypocrite



Please do not use words if you are unfamiliar with its definition.


Because Gods word contradicts evolution. See Genesis.


Like I said, hypocrite. God's word also contradicts the Copernican theory of the solar system. sigh, you can't have it both ways

You don't understand the difference between evolution, adaptation, and speciation, you should take your own advice
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Re: I Believe

Postby Pilate on Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:06 pm

Truman wrote:Do I understand what I'm talking about? Yes. I've debated two atheists in two VERY long debates on a different website (I won't say the name, because many will go there and join, but never post except maybe one time and say how skeptical they are and leave for good). One atheist had several college degrees (as he claims he does), and one was studying in college. I defeated both according to the rules of debate. Both of them failed to respond to each statement I made and said things at the end like, "All you've said is..." and "You don't understand the scientific method." Whatever. Idiots, the both of them. It's true, I cannot lie. If only I could post my statements here on any "Creation vs. Evolution" subject (if one ever comes up). The only problem is, no one likes to read long statements on this forum, and over there, it's common to post extremely long messages of wisdom (whatever you'd want to call it, I don't care; I call them "messages of wisdom" :wink:). And most everyone reads the entire statement.


Okay. It takes you a hundred words to say that you are smart, but whatever. :P
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Postby Truman on Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:07 pm

Okay. It takes you a hundred words to say that you are smart, but whatever.


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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:12 pm

[quote="pilate065"] God's word also contradicts the Copernican theory of the solar system. sigh, you can't have it both ways





Do tell.
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Postby Pilate on Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:25 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
I'm more prepared this time! I have found a good searchable online Bible!

Joshua 10:12-13

"On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel:
"O sun, stand still over Gibeon,
O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon."
"So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on [a] its enemies,
as it is written in the Book of Jashar.
The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day."


If the sun stopped, then the sun must have revolved around the earth in direct contradiction of scientific observations. How's that for a reference?



You have serious problems. The sun stood still.... (the earth stopped rotating!) Thus the sun did not move in the sky! You read into scripture. It is your assumption that the sun rotates around the earth in that scripture. It does not say that or even imply that!


It says that Joshua told the sun and moon to stop. "The sun stopped in the middle of the sky". The scripture clearly says the sun stopped.

It is YOUR assumption that the earth rotates around the sun in the scripture. If the scripture implies the earth rotates around the sun, why was Galileo persecuted?

sheesh
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:47 pm

If he was LOOKING up to the sky it would appear the SUN HAD STOPPED. This is not rocket science people!


Science wasn't that advanced yet which would explain the persecution.
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Postby Pilate on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:08 pm

jay_a2j wrote:If he was LOOKING up to the sky it would appear the SUN HAD STOPPED. This is not rocket science people!


Science wasn't that advanced yet which would explain the persecution.


No, it doesn't say the sun appeared to have stopped. It says that it did stop. This is not the first time your english failed you. sheesh

I think you mean religious knowledge of science wasn't advanced enough at the time. Just like creationists don't understand basic evolutionary science today. Your own words condemn you
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:19 pm

talk to the hand :roll:
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Postby Pilate on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:24 pm

lol. No backwards logic reply? No contradictory, hypocritical statement this time?
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Postby morph on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:34 pm

Trueman, i read every word, and it isint that i dont like to read long posts, its just that most long posts arnt put together well, and they jump around a lot, in fact i do this, that is why half the time i do not expect people to read my long posts..

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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:36 pm

The man Joshua looked into the sky and noticed the sun hadn't moved for quite some time (around 24 hours). He then writes down.... The sun stood still. Stop nit-picking already!
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Postby Steel Reserve on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:40 pm

God created evolution.

So be quiet, all of you. >: (
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Postby Pilate on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:41 pm

Steel Reserve wrote:God created evolution.

So be quiet, all of you. >: (


Wait, but why argue that there is no evolution. Why do people challenge God? Heathen :roll:

Actually, if you don't like what we say, stay out of this thread. Oh wait, someone else already said that. How silly of me.
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:43 pm

yes, how silly. :wink:
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Postby Steel Reserve on Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:51 pm

pilate065 wrote:
Steel Reserve wrote:God created evolution.

So be quiet, all of you. >: (


Wait, but why argue that there is no evolution. Why do people challenge God? Heathen :roll:

Actually, if you don't like what we say, stay out of this thread. Oh wait, someone else already said that. How silly of me.


Evolution doesn't have to challenge God.
It is seen by some as the process the Supreme Being used to make all living things. And I'm not a heathen. Furthermore, I don't give a big horse's ass if you think I'm a heathen.

And why should I avoid posting because I don't agree with you?
That's not what the Internet is about. The Internet is about dealing with all people, even those people who don't share your viewpoint.
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:29 pm

I have called no one a heathen.... all are loved by God. But evolution does contradict Gods word...Genesis states that he created all the animals of the sea and land. Not one creature that evolved into many.
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Postby Jolly Roger on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:48 pm

There are more Creation-myths out there than you can shake a stick at. You Christians creationists should be calling yourselves Eden-ists or something. Do you think you have some kind of monopoly on fanciful creation theories?
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:02 pm

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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:38 pm

Here's a fancy little fun site that has some interesting reading for you all...

Top 10 Creation Stories


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Postby Pilate on Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:42 pm

Steel Reserve wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
Steel Reserve wrote:God created evolution.

So be quiet, all of you. >: (


Wait, but why argue that there is no evolution. Why do people challenge God? Heathen :roll:

Actually, if you don't like what we say, stay out of this thread. Oh wait, someone else already said that. How silly of me.


Evolution doesn't have to challenge God.
It is seen by some as the process the Supreme Being used to make all living things. And I'm not a heathen. Furthermore, I don't give a big horse's ass if you think I'm a heathen.

And why should I avoid posting because I don't agree with you?
That's not what the Internet is about. The Internet is about dealing with all people, even those people who don't share your viewpoint.


If you don't care, then why are you commenting? :P

Heathen is a joke. You're aware that some people don't share your views on evolution right? That they consider it an affront to their faith? Why should you avoid posting? No reason. I am just paroding what jay_a2j says when he doesn't like something.
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Postby HighBorn on Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:47 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Here's a fancy little fun site that has some interesting reading for you all...

Top 10 Creation Stories


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That was entertaining.. i just got stupidier.. thanx andy...lol
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Postby Machiavelli on Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:16 am

I read the first two and then stopped :roll:
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