Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[thegreekdog]

Since no one answered my question I decided to look it up.

In Florida you are permitted to carry a concealed firearm. However open carry is not allowed.

So this raises the question, how was Martin to know Zimmerman had a gun? How does Zimmerman get his gun out while he's on the ground getting pounded by Martin? Also what exactly does concealed mean? Does tucked into your waistband count?

In my mind this raises the question of whether or not Zimmerman either revealed or pulled his gun on Martin, which then caused Martin to jump him.

I would suspect Zimmerman had pulled or at least partially pulled out his gun when he and Martin started fighting. I don't see how he would be able to get his gun out to shoot Martin unless it was already in hand. Especially if his head was being "pounded" into the pavement as people have suggested.

Now I don't know how Zimmerman was carrying his gun, or even what kind of gun it was. Both those factors could make putting it into action much easier. If he just had it in his pocket and it has a relatively easy to disengage safety, or if the safety was already disengaged. However if he had some kind of holster it gets trickier.

Anyone with more experience with guns care to shed some light here?

I don't know what happened in the case, I hadn't even heard about it till I logged into CC. However I find myself suspicious of Zimmerman's story ;

he claims this kid(half Zimmerman's weight and 6,3 kid must be a bean pole) first runs away, and then comes back and attacks him while his back is turned but only after uttering some cheesy bad guy line and pummels him, and then Zimmerman somehow gets his gun out after having been jumped essentially by surprise.

Then you have the contradictory story from the girlfriend. None of the other witnesses seem to know how the altercation started. Allot of what we know of the story seems to be on Zimmerman's word.

Colour me suspicious.

I thought Doc Brown addressed your question like 5 pages ago. Maybe not.

do you differentiate which side is calling for violence, making death threats, tweeting home addresses, raising bounties, calling for kidnapping, making dead or alive posters, and actually (obviously imo) exploiting the death .....from which side posted a photograph?

Do I differentiate? Extremists are extremists. Spike Lee and the Black Panthers are extremists. As far as I'm concerned, they are no different than the various right wing militias on the US terrorist watch list.

I would urge you to reread Saxi's posts to get a flavor of what must have been going through Trayvon Martin's mind.

[Borderdawg]

Since no one answered my question I decided to look it up.

In Florida you are permitted to carry a concealed firearm. However open carry is not allowed.

So this raises the question, how was Martin to know Zimmerman had a gun? How does Zimmerman get his gun out while he's on the ground getting pounded by Martin? Also what exactly does concealed mean? Does tucked into your waistband count?

In my mind this raises the question of whether or not Zimmerman either revealed or pulled his gun on Martin, which then caused Martin to jump him.

I would suspect Zimmerman had pulled or at least partially pulled out his gun when he and Martin started fighting. I don't see how he would be able to get his gun out to shoot Martin unless it was already in hand. Especially if his head was being "pounded" into the pavement as people have suggested.

Now I don't know how Zimmerman was carrying his gun, or even what kind of gun it was. Both those factors could make putting it into action much easier. If he just had it in his pocket and it has a relatively easy to disengage safety, or if the safety was already disengaged. However if he had some kind of holster it gets trickier.
Anyone with more experience with guns care to shed some light here?

Odds are Zimmerman was carrying IWB. (in the waistband) Many holsters are designed just for this, with easy access and quick presentation of the weapon paramount. As for the safety, he was probably carrying a double action pistol, I'd bet money he had a Glock 9mm. All he would need to do, assuming he had one in the chamber, would be to point and shoot.

I don't know what happened in the case, I hadn't even heard about it till I logged into CC. However I find myself suspicious of Zimmerman's story ;

he claims this kid(half Zimmerman's weight and 6,3 kid must be a bean pole) first runs away, and then comes back and attacks him while his back is turned but only after uttering some cheesy bad guy line and pummels him, and then Zimmerman somehow gets his gun out after having been jumped essentially by surprise.

honestly, wouldn't be the first time a skinny boy kicked a fat boys ass. And drawing a weapon under duress really isn't that difficult
Then you have the contradictory story from the girlfriend. None of the other witnesses seem to know how the altercation started. Allot of what we know of the story seems to be on Zimmerman's word.

Colour me suspicious.

and you should be! There is a lot of lying going on. From both sides. But, I have to automatically have more suspicions of any side Sharpton and Jackson advocate. Those 2 cocksuckers couldn't care less for the truth, only the agitation and publicity.

[kentington]

and you should be! There is a lot of lying going on. From both sides. But, I have to automatically have more suspicions of any side Sharpton and Jackson advocate. Those 2 cocksuckers couldn't care less for the truth, only the agitation and publicity.[/color]

I don't like those guys either. But just because they are choosing a side doesn't mean the opposite is true. They have absolutely no idea what happened out there and no one does except for the people who were there. Thus, the investigation.
I just wish people on both sides would but out.
Let's say it was a racist killing, profiling, and harassment. Well, if the investigation finds it then it does, if it doesn't then it doesn't. You can't please both sides and no one will be willing to accept the truth. Unfortunate. It's is a tragedy for both families and now it is a circus that will ruin the image of both parties.

[Baron Von PWN]

Since no one answered my question I decided to look it up.

In Florida you are permitted to carry a concealed firearm. However open carry is not allowed.

So this raises the question, how was Martin to know Zimmerman had a gun? How does Zimmerman get his gun out while he's on the ground getting pounded by Martin? Also what exactly does concealed mean? Does tucked into your waistband count?

In my mind this raises the question of whether or not Zimmerman either revealed or pulled his gun on Martin, which then caused Martin to jump him.

I would suspect Zimmerman had pulled or at least partially pulled out his gun when he and Martin started fighting. I don't see how he would be able to get his gun out to shoot Martin unless it was already in hand. Especially if his head was being "pounded" into the pavement as people have suggested.

Now I don't know how Zimmerman was carrying his gun, or even what kind of gun it was. Both those factors could make putting it into action much easier. If he just had it in his pocket and it has a relatively easy to disengage safety, or if the safety was already disengaged. However if he had some kind of holster it gets trickier.
Anyone with more experience with guns care to shed some light here?

Odds are Zimmerman was carrying IWB. (in the waistband) Many holsters are designed just for this, with easy access and quick presentation of the weapon paramount. As for the safety, he was probably carrying a double action pistol, I'd bet money he had a Glock 9mm. All he would need to do, assuming he had one in the chamber, would be to point and shoot.

I don't know what happened in the case, I hadn't even heard about it till I logged into CC. However I find myself suspicious of Zimmerman's story ;

he claims this kid(half Zimmerman's weight and 6,3 kid must be a bean pole) first runs away, and then comes back and attacks him while his back is turned but only after uttering some cheesy bad guy line and pummels him, and then Zimmerman somehow gets his gun out after having been jumped essentially by surprise.

honestly, wouldn't be the first time a skinny boy kicked a fat boys ass. And drawing a weapon under duress really isn't that difficult
Then you have the contradictory story from the girlfriend. None of the other witnesses seem to know how the altercation started. Allot of what we know of the story seems to be on Zimmerman's word.

Colour me suspicious.

and you should be! There is a lot of lying going on. From both sides. But, I have to automatically have more suspicions of any side Sharpton and Jackson advocate. Those 2 cocksuckers couldn't care less for the truth, only the agitation and publicity.

Thanks for the insight. Having never handled a firearm I don't know the specifics very well. So Zimmerman could have easily pulled the gun after being jumped by surprise?

[Phatscotty]

I will still bet both of them thought they were in a gang situation.

[saxitoxin]

Since no one answered my question I decided to look it up.

In Florida you are permitted to carry a concealed firearm. However open carry is not allowed.

So this raises the question, how was Martin to know Zimmerman had a gun? How does Zimmerman get his gun out while he's on the ground getting pounded by Martin? Also what exactly does concealed mean? Does tucked into your waistband count?

In my mind this raises the question of whether or not Zimmerman either revealed or pulled his gun on Martin, which then caused Martin to jump him.

I would suspect Zimmerman had pulled or at least partially pulled out his gun when he and Martin started fighting. I don't see how he would be able to get his gun out to shoot Martin unless it was already in hand. Especially if his head was being "pounded" into the pavement as people have suggested.

Now I don't know how Zimmerman was carrying his gun, or even what kind of gun it was. Both those factors could make putting it into action much easier. If he just had it in his pocket and it has a relatively easy to disengage safety, or if the safety was already disengaged. However if he had some kind of holster it gets trickier.

Anyone with more experience with guns care to shed some light here?

I don't know what happened in the case, I hadn't even heard about it till I logged into CC. However I find myself suspicious of Zimmerman's story ;

he claims this kid(half Zimmerman's weight and 6,3 kid must be a bean pole) first runs away, and then comes back and attacks him while his back is turned but only after uttering some cheesy bad guy line and pummels him, and then Zimmerman somehow gets his gun out after having been jumped essentially by surprise.

Then you have the contradictory story from the girlfriend. None of the other witnesses seem to know how the altercation started. Allot of what we know of the story seems to be on Zimmerman's word.

Colour me suspicious.

That's a great question, BvP. It's usually illegal to "flash" a firearm. IIRC you can only take it out if you actually feel you might need to use it. I wonder if Zimmerman - who it seems fancies himself as Batman or Serpico - decided at some point, before the attack occurred, to do the cop-movie thing and pull his coat aside to show his gun tucked cowboy-style into his belt or on a hip holster? Outside of the one-hour video he watched to become a volunteer in the neighborhood watch, it seems most of his tactical training came from watching reruns of Hawaii 5-0.

ed: I found this via bing-dot-com on "Improper Exhibition of a Firearm" in Florida - http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/Impro ... eapon.html

[Doc_Brown]

I'm just waiting for pimpdave's thread blaming the anger against Zimmerman on the TPDS, given that Zimmerman is a registered Democrat!

[natty dread]

So, Zimmerman acted in self-defense?

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

[BigBallinStalin]

In the court of law, they can request to see his medical records. If no injuries were treated (or if he didn't go), then Zimmerman's case becomes more difficult to defend.

That's pretty much where we are right now.

[saxitoxin]

It's usually illegal to "flash" a firearm. IIRC you can only take it out if you actually feel you might need to use it.

Now that I think about it, the rules for using a gun are basically the same as the rules for using a penis.

In any case, this grainy surveillance video is shenangians I say. There's no expectation someone suffers a certain severity of injury before acting in self defense. I recall a few years back a mentally disturbed man in Seattle yelled at a woman he was going to kill her, then pulled out a knife and began moving toward her. She justifiably shot and killed him, even though she never suffered any actual injury herself.

[Phatscotty]

http://www.rightthisminute.com/video/Ro ... ge-Trayvon

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-f ... tin-306052

George Zimmerman’s brother spoke out for the first time Thursday night, calling his brother “a neighbor everyone would want to have” and insisting he defended himself after being attacked by Miami-Dade teen Trayvon Martin.

“He prevented his firearm from being taken away from him,” Robert Zimmerman Jr. told Piers Morgan on his CNN program.

Trayvon, 17, was shot and killed on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fl. by George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old insurance underwriter, college student and neighborhood crime watch volunteer.

The Miami Gardens teen was unarmed, carrying just candy and ice tea the night he died. The teen’s death and lack of an arrest has triggered a nationwide crusade for Zimmerman’s arrest and calls to change Florida’s controversial Stand Your Ground law.

But Robert Zimmerman Jr. said that carrying candy and tea should not automatically mean his brother wasn’t threatened. He then gave his account of how he believed the night in question unfolded.

He said his brother didn’t chase anyone. He had been on his way to Target. He thought Trayvon looked suspicious as he walked around the gated community, but not because of race but because of what had been happening in the community. There had recently been several break-ins.

During the exchange with Trayvon, he said his brother reached to get his cell phone. He wanted to call 911 again, Robert Zimmerman Jr. said. “He never got to make that phone call because he was attacked by Mr. Martin,” he said.

The screams captured on 911 recordings, Robert Zimmerman Jr. said, sound like his brother. He wishes neighbors who heard the screams had come out to help.

“Despite those screams, no one came to his aid,” Robert Zimmerman Jr. said.

His brother would have been the dead one if he had not acted, he said.

He also mentioned a witness who had seen what happened, “from the first blow.” He didn’t say what the witness saw, but seemed to hint that it backed up his brother’s story.

When asked about the snippet of 911 audio captured that night that some believe reveal that George Zimmerman uttered a racial slur, Robert Zimmerman Jr. said, “it could have been anything.” He said he didn’t even think they were full words.

But he added that the supposed slur was a word that wasn’t in his brother’s vocabulary.

Robert Zimmerman Jr. said his brother was fluent in two languages and called him “the most honest brother; straight as an narrow.”

As for a video released Wednesday that showed George Zimmerman in police custody without any obvious injuries from a fight, his brother said he had confidence that the medical records would explain everything. Robert Zimmerman Jr. added that he thought his brother’s nose did look swollen to him in the video.

His brother’s nose has yet to fully heal, he said, and George Zimmerman, who is in hiding, now suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder because of what happened that night.

He also acknowledged the loss of the Martin family, calling what happened a tragedy.

“This is a story about human beings,” he said, later adding “We all wish this was a different situation.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/29/2 ... rylink=cpy

[natty dread]

Pillar of the community!

[thegreekdog]

George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old insurance underwriter, college student and neighborhood crime watch volunteer.

Doesn't one need a college degree to be an insurance underwriter? Fishy.

[thegreekdog]

This is why the president doesn't become perosnally involved in murder investigations:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Obama.html

Because now we're going to get a whole lot of this. And, frankly, it's probably true what the parents said - "No political gain for Obama = no statement from Obama."

Also - is the Telegraph a UK news source I'm allowed to use?

[MeDeFe]

I believe The Telegraph is considered fairly reliable.

[kentington]

George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old insurance underwriter, college student and neighborhood crime watch volunteer.

Doesn't one need a college degree to be an insurance underwriter? Fishy.

Maybe he is getting a master's degree? Did they say he already had a degree in criminal justice?

[oVo]

The media blitz without facts is absurd. The only known truth out there so far is that this tragic result did not need to happen. Zimmerman has been roasted in the court of public opinion with hearsay, half truths and conjecture even before whatever facts might become available are known.

We may soon discover how inept the responding police were in handling this situation and an eye witness who did not see the entire event can't fill in the blanks or speculate about what might have happened.

[thegreekdog]

The media blitz without facts is absurd. The only known truth out there so far is that this tragic result did not need to happen. Zimmerman has been roasted in the court of public opinion with hearsay, half truths and conjecture even before whatever facts might become available are known.

We may soon discover how inept the responding police were in handling this situation and an eye witness who did not see the entire event can't fill in the blanks or speculate about what might have happened.

Exactly! Until they have proof that Zimmerman is in college, how can we possibly know whether he's qualified to be an insurance underwriter?

[spurgistan]

[johnnie cochran]If Zimmerman's in college, his dubious status as an underwriter you must acknowledge[/jc]

[Symmetry]

This might be of interest:

Trayvon Martin shooting: CCTV footage shows George Zimmerman sustained no injuries

The 28-year-old George Zimmerman's head and face are visible throughout the footage and he is dressed in a red and black fleece jacket. Police are shown frisking Zimmerman whose hands were handcuffed behind his back. They then lead him into a building.
Zimmerman said he was pursuing 17-year-old Martin, who was not armed, because the teen was acting suspiciously. He said he lost sight of the black teenager and Martin attacked him as he headed back to his sport utility vehicle. Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.

The neighbourhood watch volunteer told police he fired in self-defence and he was not arrested, touching off widespread public outrage and protests across the country. Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, has said in more than one interview that his client's nose was broken during the fight with Martin.

The Orlando Sentinel, citing anonymous sources, has reported that Martin grabbed Zimmerman's head and banged it several times against the sidewalk. A statement from police said the newspaper's story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors.

Mr Sonner said the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head probably was serious enough for stitches, but he waited too long for treatment so the wound was already healing. Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman's cousin, said Zimmerman was in "the fight of his life."

Hmm, seems like the evidence on the Zimmerman side doesn't quite add up. The video footage, if anyone feels like examining it, is embedded in the link.

Further info, this time from the Guardian, suggests that an additional eyewitness has come forward to say that Zimmerman was not obviously injured in the altercation.

Trayvon Martin lawyers intensify call for arrest amid more evidence leaks

Lawyers from Trayvon Martin's family have stepped up calls for his killer to be arrested after a new eyewitness and leaked CCTV footage from the police station cast doubt on George Zimmerman's claim that he had acted in self-defence.

The new witness claims he saw the neighbourhood watch captain walking away from the fatal altercation with no blood on him, countering Zimmerman's statement that he sustained a broken nose and bloody injuries to the back of his head.

[keiths31]

Yup the video evidence doesn't look like it backs up his claim. The last piece of evidence would be the medical reports from that night. If that comes back negative, I hope he gets everything the law can throw at him.

[saxitoxin]

This might be of interest:

Trayvon Martin shooting: CCTV footage shows George Zimmerman sustained no injuries

The 28-year-old George Zimmerman's head and face are visible throughout the footage and he is dressed in a red and black fleece jacket. Police are shown frisking Zimmerman whose hands were handcuffed behind his back. They then lead him into a building.
Zimmerman said he was pursuing 17-year-old Martin, who was not armed, because the teen was acting suspiciously. He said he lost sight of the black teenager and Martin attacked him as he headed back to his sport utility vehicle. Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.

The neighbourhood watch volunteer told police he fired in self-defence and he was not arrested, touching off widespread public outrage and protests across the country. Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, has said in more than one interview that his client's nose was broken during the fight with Martin.

The Orlando Sentinel, citing anonymous sources, has reported that Martin grabbed Zimmerman's head and banged it several times against the sidewalk. A statement from police said the newspaper's story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors.

Mr Sonner said the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head probably was serious enough for stitches, but he waited too long for treatment so the wound was already healing. Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman's cousin, said Zimmerman was in "the fight of his life."

Hmm, seems like the evidence on the Zimmerman side doesn't quite add up. The video footage, if anyone feels like examining it, is embedded in the link.

Further info, this time from the Guardian, suggests that an additional eyewitness has come forward to say that Zimmerman was not obviously injured in the altercation.

Trayvon Martin lawyers intensify call for arrest amid more evidence leaks

Lawyers from Trayvon Martin's family have stepped up calls for his killer to be arrested after a new eyewitness and leaked CCTV footage from the police station cast doubt on George Zimmerman's claim that he had acted in self-defence.

The new witness claims he saw the neighbourhood watch captain walking away from the fatal altercation with no blood on him, countering Zimmerman's statement that he sustained a broken nose and bloody injuries to the back of his head.

1 - As previously stated in this thread, there's no requirement someone sustain a certain severity of injuries - or any injury at all - to act in self-defense. See: http://downtownseattle.komonews.com/con ... lf-defense

2 - A new "anonymous" witness decided to come forward after a month of saying nothing? Here's Anderson Cooper's original story that "broke" the new "anonymous" witness: http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/ ... -shooting/ ... This is the same Anderson Cooper who's been criticized for doing live shots with reporters from Syria while running sound effects of gunfire and explosions in the background for dramatic effect.

[Symmetry]

This might be of interest:

Trayvon Martin shooting: CCTV footage shows George Zimmerman sustained no injuries

The 28-year-old George Zimmerman's head and face are visible throughout the footage and he is dressed in a red and black fleece jacket. Police are shown frisking Zimmerman whose hands were handcuffed behind his back. They then lead him into a building.
Zimmerman said he was pursuing 17-year-old Martin, who was not armed, because the teen was acting suspiciously. He said he lost sight of the black teenager and Martin attacked him as he headed back to his sport utility vehicle. Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.

The neighbourhood watch volunteer told police he fired in self-defence and he was not arrested, touching off widespread public outrage and protests across the country. Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, has said in more than one interview that his client's nose was broken during the fight with Martin.

The Orlando Sentinel, citing anonymous sources, has reported that Martin grabbed Zimmerman's head and banged it several times against the sidewalk. A statement from police said the newspaper's story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors.

Mr Sonner said the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head probably was serious enough for stitches, but he waited too long for treatment so the wound was already healing. Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman's cousin, said Zimmerman was in "the fight of his life."

Hmm, seems like the evidence on the Zimmerman side doesn't quite add up. The video footage, if anyone feels like examining it, is embedded in the link.

Further info, this time from the Guardian, suggests that an additional eyewitness has come forward to say that Zimmerman was not obviously injured in the altercation.

Trayvon Martin lawyers intensify call for arrest amid more evidence leaks

Lawyers from Trayvon Martin's family have stepped up calls for his killer to be arrested after a new eyewitness and leaked CCTV footage from the police station cast doubt on George Zimmerman's claim that he had acted in self-defence.

The new witness claims he saw the neighbourhood watch captain walking away from the fatal altercation with no blood on him, countering Zimmerman's statement that he sustained a broken nose and bloody injuries to the back of his head.

1 - As previously stated in this thread, there's no requirement someone sustain a certain severity of injuries - or any injury at all - to act in self-defense. See: http://downtownseattle.komonews.com/con ... lf-defense

2 - A new "anonymous" witness decided to come forward after a month of saying nothing? Here's Anderson Cooper's original story that "broke" the new "anonymous" witness: http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/ ... -shooting/ ... This is the same Anderson Cooper who's been criticized for doing live shots with reporters from Syria while running sound effects of gunfire and explosions in the background for dramatic effect.

Meh, I didn't suggest anything like that, merely that two new pieces of evidence have turned up that oppose the story Zimmerman put out. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

[saxitoxin]

This might be of interest:

Trayvon Martin shooting: CCTV footage shows George Zimmerman sustained no injuries

The 28-year-old George Zimmerman's head and face are visible throughout the footage and he is dressed in a red and black fleece jacket. Police are shown frisking Zimmerman whose hands were handcuffed behind his back. They then lead him into a building.
Zimmerman said he was pursuing 17-year-old Martin, who was not armed, because the teen was acting suspiciously. He said he lost sight of the black teenager and Martin attacked him as he headed back to his sport utility vehicle. Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.

The neighbourhood watch volunteer told police he fired in self-defence and he was not arrested, touching off widespread public outrage and protests across the country. Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, has said in more than one interview that his client's nose was broken during the fight with Martin.

The Orlando Sentinel, citing anonymous sources, has reported that Martin grabbed Zimmerman's head and banged it several times against the sidewalk. A statement from police said the newspaper's story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors.

Mr Sonner said the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head probably was serious enough for stitches, but he waited too long for treatment so the wound was already healing. Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman's cousin, said Zimmerman was in "the fight of his life."

Hmm, seems like the evidence on the Zimmerman side doesn't quite add up. The video footage, if anyone feels like examining it, is embedded in the link.

Further info, this time from the Guardian, suggests that an additional eyewitness has come forward to say that Zimmerman was not obviously injured in the altercation.

Trayvon Martin lawyers intensify call for arrest amid more evidence leaks

Lawyers from Trayvon Martin's family have stepped up calls for his killer to be arrested after a new eyewitness and leaked CCTV footage from the police station cast doubt on George Zimmerman's claim that he had acted in self-defence.

The new witness claims he saw the neighbourhood watch captain walking away from the fatal altercation with no blood on him, countering Zimmerman's statement that he sustained a broken nose and bloody injuries to the back of his head.

1 - As previously stated in this thread, there's no requirement someone sustain a certain severity of injuries - or any injury at all - to act in self-defense. See: http://downtownseattle.komonews.com/con ... lf-defense

2 - A new "anonymous" witness decided to come forward after a month of saying nothing? Here's Anderson Cooper's original story that "broke" the new "anonymous" witness: http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/ ... -shooting/ ... This is the same Anderson Cooper who's been criticized for doing live shots with reporters from Syria while running sound effects of gunfire and explosions in the background for dramatic effect.

Meh, I didn't suggest anything like that, merely that two new pieces of evidence have turned up that oppose the story Zimmerman put out.

evidence: that which tends to prove or disprove something (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidence?s=t)

An anonymous witness who came forward a month after the fact and has limited his testimony to a TV shock jock is probably not "evidence."

Don't hesitate to let me know if you have additional information you would like assistance in processing/evaluating. I'm happy to help!

[Phatscotty]

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