Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[oVo]

Zimmerman's brother's interview adds nothing of significance, he wasn't there
and only "knows" what he's been told.

There is likely to be plenty more character assassination from both sides
before this investigation is concluded.

[Phatscotty]

The media blitz without facts is absurd. The only known truth out there so far is that this tragic result did not need to happen. Zimmerman has been roasted in the court of public opinion with hearsay, half truths and conjecture even before whatever facts might become available are known.

We may soon discover how inept the responding police were in handling this situation and an eye witness who did not see the entire event can't fill in the blanks or speculate about what might have happened.

well said

It seems the reaction to the tragedy is taking on a life of it's own and is going to have to be dealt with separately.

Former Black Panther Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) made quite a fuss when he donned a "hoodie" during a speech in the U.S. House of Representatives until he was escorted out. At the time, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) "applauded his courage" for doing so.

Meanwhile, back home in Rush's district, two men wearing hooded sweatshirts, or "hoodies," were the shooters in an incident that left one dead and five injured.

In fact, during a span of six-hours Thursday night, 13 people were shot, leaving two dead in Chicago. It would seem it takes more courage to simply walk down the street in Rush's district than it does to wear a hooded sweatshirt in the House of Representatives by way of a stunt in a bizarre tribute to a young man shot and killed in Florida during a shooting incident still under investigation.

13 shot, 2 dead in Chicago in six hours Thursday night

The worst shooting occurred around 6 p.m. Thursday when two men in hooded sweatshirts opened fire inside a convenience store in the 1400 block of West 79th Street in the Gresham neighborhood, police said.

One man was killed and five others were wounded. The victims ranged in age from 16 to 24. The gunmen fled in an SUV and police continued searching for them this morning.

There's also another report on that particuar incident here.

Perhaps if Bobby Rush and Nancy Pelosi ever got around to actually doing something to uplift the people in Rush's district, there would be fewer stories like the one above out of Chicago, and less need to don a piece of clothing in Congress in what amounts to an empty and silly gesture.

Luckily, he have a President who decided to get himself involved, and used to opportunity to call for calm and to ask people not to rush to judgement. NOT................

[Phatscotty]

More pieces of the story


I can't find the full interview with Zimmerman's brother, if anyone can please share it with us. Morgan was VERY tough on the brother of George Zimmerman and challenged him repeatedly.

And look at how the Toure guy rips Morgan just for allowing another side of the story to be told. (+1 Peirs Morgan)



"A major moment in American History?"

[gradybridges]

The media blitz without facts is absurd. The only known truth out there so far is that this tragic result did not need to happen. Zimmerman has been roasted in the court of public opinion with hearsay, half truths and conjecture even before whatever facts might become available are known.

Maybe if he was arrested already this wouldn't happen. What little facts we know Zimmerman was in the wrong. He had no business pursuing this kid and was told not to.

But this is Florida. A state that keeps fucking things up.

[Phatscotty]

The media blitz without facts is absurd. The only known truth out there so far is that this tragic result did not need to happen. Zimmerman has been roasted in the court of public opinion with hearsay, half truths and conjecture even before whatever facts might become available are known.

Maybe if he was arrested already this wouldn't happen. What little facts we know Zimmerman was in the wrong. He had no business pursuing this kid and was told not to.

But this is Florida. A state that keeps fucking things up.

How do we know he was pursuing him? What I heard, when the operator told Zimmerman he did not need to follow him, Zimmerman said "okay" and then if you listen to the 911 call further I think you can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing less heavily and his clothes are not as loud, indicating he did in fact stop keeping a watch on Martin.

[Symmetry]

The media blitz without facts is absurd. The only known truth out there so far is that this tragic result did not need to happen. Zimmerman has been roasted in the court of public opinion with hearsay, half truths and conjecture even before whatever facts might become available are known.

Maybe if he was arrested already this wouldn't happen. What little facts we know Zimmerman was in the wrong. He had no business pursuing this kid and was told not to.

But this is Florida. A state that keeps fucking things up.

How do we know he was pursuing him? What I heard, when the operator told Zimmerman he did not need to follow him, Zimmerman said "okay" and then if you listen to the 911 call further I think you can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing less heavily and his clothes are not as loud, indicating he did in fact stop keeping a watch on Martin.

Unlikely, given that even Zimmerman says that he kept following Martin.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/30/justice/florida-teen-shooting-timeline/index.html

About 7 p.m.: George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain, calls 911 to report "a suspicious person" in the gated community called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman says he is following Martin after the teen had started to run, after which the dispatcher tells him, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman pursues Martin anyway, before losing sight of him.
Brother says teen snuck up on Zimmerman Eyewitness: I heard multiple 'pops' Breaking down the police report Is 'stand your ground' irrelevant?

About 7:10 p.m.: Phone records show Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend around the time he spotted Zimmerman while returning from a convenience store to his father's fiancée's home.
At a March 20 news conference, Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump says the girl hears someone ask Martin what he was doing and Martin asking why the person was following him. The girl gets the impression that there is an altercation in which the earpiece falls out of Martin's ear and the connection goes dead, according to Crump.
According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after briefly losing track of Martin, the teen approached him. After exchanging words, Zimmerman says, he reached for his cell phone, and then Martin punched him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pinned him to the ground and began slamming his head into a sidewalk.

[gradybridges]

How do we know he was pursuing him? What I heard, when the operator told Zimmerman he did not need to follow him, Zimmerman said "okay" and then if you listen to the 911 call further I think you can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing less heavily and his clothes are not as loud, indicating he did in fact stop keeping a watch on Martin.

Seriously? Read aloud what you say sometimes.

[Phatscotty]

How do we know he was pursuing him? What I heard, when the operator told Zimmerman he did not need to follow him, Zimmerman said "okay" and then if you listen to the 911 call further I think you can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing less heavily and his clothes are not as loud, indicating he did in fact stop keeping a watch on Martin.

Seriously? Read aloud what you say sometimes.

What's the problem? That's what it sounds like. Not only did Zimmerman comply in saying "okay", but it seems like we can hear him complying.

[Symmetry]

How do we know he was pursuing him? What I heard, when the operator told Zimmerman he did not need to follow him, Zimmerman said "okay" and then if you listen to the 911 call further I think you can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing less heavily and his clothes are not as loud, indicating he did in fact stop keeping a watch on Martin.

Seriously? Read aloud what you say sometimes.

What's the problem? That's what it sounds like. Not only did Zimmerman comply in saying "okay", but it seems like we can hear him complying.

And yet his statement to the police, confirmed by the police, says that he continued to follow Martin. Given that Zimmerman says he continued following Martin, the police agree, and Martin's family and lawyers also agree, I'm a little confused as to the point of this line of argument.

[Phatscotty]

I think you probably heard the edited version of the 911 call, which NBC is now investigating

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/he-look ... lice-tape/

NBC has revealed that it is launching an internal investigation into the “editing process” surrounding the conversation between George Zimmerman and a police dispatcher (shortly before Trayvon Martin was shot), where Zimmerman appears to volunteer racial information.

Dispatcher: "We don't need you to follow him"
Zimmerman: "Okay"

Complete 911 call http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GRAPHI ... index.html

(Symmetry fills in the rest) Which part are you talking about?

[gradybridges]

How do we know he was pursuing him? What I heard, when the operator told Zimmerman he did not need to follow him, Zimmerman said "okay" and then if you listen to the 911 call further I think you can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing less heavily and his clothes are not as loud, indicating he did in fact stop keeping a watch on Martin.

Seriously? Read aloud what you say sometimes.

What's the problem? That's what it sounds like. Not only did Zimmerman comply in saying "okay", but it seems like we can hear him complying.

You agreed that the media blitz without facts is absurd yet you are willing to say that it's a fact Zimmerman stopped following Martin based on him breating less heavily and his cloths not sound as loud. The media speculation is bad but yours is ok

Even if what you said is true, maybe Martin stopped walikng and Zimmerman followed suit. What you heard is hardly evidence Zimmerman stopped following Martin at all. Just speculation.

He calls 911 based on nothing. He said "these ass holes always get away". Martin starts to run away. Zimmerman follows. He has no business doing so. Zimmerman kills Martin. Over a month and Zimmerman hasn't been arrested. If Zimmerman never followed Martin this doesn't happen. Zimmerman needs to be arrested. It's his fault Trayvon Matin died.

[Symmetry]

I think you probably heard the edited version of the 911 call, which NBC is now investigating

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/he-look ... lice-tape/

Dispatcher: "We don't need you to follow him"
Zimmerman: "Okay"

(Symmetry fills in the rest)

No, I listened to the whole thing before responding to your post, and have posted a timeline just a few posts above. I don't watch NBC, but I'm aware of the controversy over how it edited the tape.

[Phatscotty]

How do we know he was pursuing him? What I heard, when the operator told Zimmerman he did not need to follow him, Zimmerman said "okay" and then if you listen to the 911 call further I think you can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing less heavily and his clothes are not as loud, indicating he did in fact stop keeping a watch on Martin.

Seriously? Read aloud what you say sometimes.

What's the problem? That's what it sounds like. Not only did Zimmerman comply in saying "okay", but it seems like we can hear him complying.

You agreed that the media blitz without facts is absurd yet you are willing to say that it's a fact Zimmerman stopped following Martin based on him breating less heavily and his cloths not sound as loud. The media speculation is bad but yours is ok

Even if what you said is true, maybe Martin stopped walikng and Zimmerman followed suit. What you heard is hardly evidence Zimmerman stopped following Martin at all. Just speculation.

He calls 911 based on nothing. He said "these ass holes always get away". Martin starts to run away. Zimmerman follows. He has no business doing so. Zimmerman kills Martin. Over a month and Zimmerman hasn't been arrested. If Zimmerman never followed Martin this doesn't happen. Zimmerman needs to be arrested. It's his fault Trayvon Matin died.

No, I said he said "okay" and it seemed like he did. That does not make it a fact that he did. That is your assumption. And Grady, it is perfectly acceptable for me to base my opinion on what what I hear or see. I heard him acknowledge that he would stop watching him, and it sounded like to meeee that he stopped. Don't tell me you can't tell the difference when you are talking to someone one the phone if they are walking briskly and when they stop walking briskly.

He said he stopped, it sounded like he stopped. That's all. That's what I heard, that's what you will hear.

And he called 911 based on something (hint: the first thing Zimmerman says to the police on the 911 call ). Neighbors can watch other neighbors all they want to. I love your play by play of what happened lol.

[Symmetry]

How do we know he was pursuing him? What I heard, when the operator told Zimmerman he did not need to follow him, Zimmerman said "okay" and then if you listen to the 911 call further I think you can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing less heavily and his clothes are not as loud, indicating he did in fact stop keeping a watch on Martin.

Seriously? Read aloud what you say sometimes.

What's the problem? That's what it sounds like. Not only did Zimmerman comply in saying "okay", but it seems like we can hear him complying.

You agreed that the media blitz without facts is absurd yet you are willing to say that it's a fact Zimmerman stopped following Martin based on him breating less heavily and his cloths not sound as loud. The media speculation is bad but yours is ok

Even if what you said is true, maybe Martin stopped walikng and Zimmerman followed suit. What you heard is hardly evidence Zimmerman stopped following Martin at all. Just speculation.

He calls 911 based on nothing. He said "these ass holes always get away". Martin starts to run away. Zimmerman follows. He has no business doing so. Zimmerman kills Martin. Over a month and Zimmerman hasn't been arrested. If Zimmerman never followed Martin this doesn't happen. Zimmerman needs to be arrested. It's his fault Trayvon Matin died.

No, I said he said "okay" and it seemed like he did. That does not make it a fact that he did. That is your assumption.

He said he stopped, it sounded like he stopped. That's all.

Just to be absolutely clear, he said okay, rather than that he stopped. His statement to the police said that he didn't stop, but continued following Martin.

[Phatscotty]

source?

[Symmetry]

The Zimmerman case just keeps unravelling:

Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say

As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help. But these experts say the evidence tells a different story.

[gradybridges]

Just to be absolutely clear, he said okay, rather than that he stopped. His statement to the police said that he didn't stop, but continued following Martin.

He didn't even stop after he said okay. He continued to follow then he said he lost him. Then the 911 tape stops. For all we know he continued to follow.

But some people hear what they want to hear.

[Symmetry]

Just to be absolutely clear, he said okay, rather than that he stopped. His statement to the police said that he didn't stop, but continued following Martin.

He didn't even stop after he said okay. He continued to follow then he said he lost him. Then the 911 tape stops. For all we know he continued to follow.

But some people hear what they want to hear.

Fair point, and like I said, all sources, including Zimmerman, agree that he did indeed continue to follow the kid.

[Phatscotty]

Just to be absolutely clear, he said okay, rather than that he stopped. His statement to the police said that he didn't stop, but continued following Martin.

He didn't even stop after he said okay. He continued to follow then he said he lost him. Then the 911 tape stops. For all we know he continued to follow.

But some people hear what they want to hear.

What do you base that on? Can you provide specifics?

Again, here is the complete 911 call.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GRAPHI ... index.html

Zimmerman was told once he did not need to follow him, and zimmerman responded okay. That is the ONLY time the subject is brought up. You guys are making shit up

Guess who is hearing what they want to hear?

Symm, still waiting for the source for

His statement to the police said that he didn't stop, but continued following Martin.

[Symmetry]

Just to be absolutely clear, he said okay, rather than that he stopped. His statement to the police said that he didn't stop, but continued following Martin.

He didn't even stop after he said okay. He continued to follow then he said he lost him. Then the 911 tape stops. For all we know he continued to follow.

But some people hear what they want to hear.

What do you base that on? Can you provide specifics?

Again, here is the complete 911 call.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GRAPHI ... index.html

Zimmerman was told once he did not need to follow him, and zimmerman responded okay. That is the ONLY time the subject is brought up. You guys are making shit up

Guess who is hearing what they want to hear?

Likely yourself, as I sourced this at the top of this page.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167549&start=330#p3668151

Unsurprisingly, the topic came up when Zimmerman spoke to the police. He said he kept following Martin.

[natty dread]

Wow Phatscotty, you're pretty much on thin ice already... It's getting so ridiculous, the lengths you go to justify a hate crime. All the evidence points to Zimmerman being guilty of murder, yet you keep making excuses for him.

The question is though, what motive does Phatscotty have to so adamantly insist to Zimmerman's innocence?

Could it be because the victim was a young black man?

Could it be that Phatscotty is a racist?

[Phatscotty]

Wow Phatscotty, you're pretty much on thin ice already... It's getting so ridiculous, the lengths you go to justify a hate crime. All the evidence points to Zimmerman being guilty of murder, yet you keep making excuses for him.

The question is though, what motive does Phatscotty have to so adamantly insist to Zimmerman's innocence?

Could it be because the victim was a young black man?

Could it be that Phatscotty is a racist?

Yes Natty, ALL Evidence. Yet, nobody in the police department, state attorney's office, justice department etc has charged him with a crime.

You are too cute sometimes

[Phatscotty]

Just to be absolutely clear, he said okay, rather than that he stopped. His statement to the police said that he didn't stop, but continued following Martin.

He didn't even stop after he said okay. He continued to follow then he said he lost him. Then the 911 tape stops. For all we know he continued to follow.

But some people hear what they want to hear.

What do you base that on? Can you provide specifics?

Again, here is the complete 911 call.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GRAPHI ... index.html

Zimmerman was told once he did not need to follow him, and zimmerman responded okay. That is the ONLY time the subject is brought up. You guys are making shit up

Guess who is hearing what they want to hear?

Likely yourself, as I sourced this at the top of this page.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167549&start=330#p3668151

Unsurprisingly, the topic came up when Zimmerman spoke to the police. He said he kept following Martin.

That does not in any way line up with the 911 recording. Sorry, your source is stretching there.

Go ahead, try to match this up. Zimmerman is the first 2 minutes, it will only take you a few seconds to find out how that source is flawed and probably intentionally.

Symms source says :

George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain, calls 911 to report "a suspicious person" in the gated community called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman says he is following Martin after the teen had started to run, after which the dispatcher tells him, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman pursues Martin anyway, before losing sight of him.

Where do you find anything in this tape that suggests that last part is true? It isn't there. That statement is false.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GRAPHI ... index.html

[natty dread]

Wow Phatscotty, you're pretty much on thin ice already... It's getting so ridiculous, the lengths you go to justify a hate crime. All the evidence points to Zimmerman being guilty of murder, yet you keep making excuses for him.

The question is though, what motive does Phatscotty have to so adamantly insist to Zimmerman's innocence?

Could it be because the victim was a young black man?

Could it be that Phatscotty is a racist?

Yes Natty, ALL Evidence. Yet, nobody in the police department, state attorney's office, justice department etc has charged him with a crime.

You are too cute sometimes

Are you hitting on me ?!???!?

[Symmetry]

Just to be absolutely clear, he said okay, rather than that he stopped. His statement to the police said that he didn't stop, but continued following Martin.

He didn't even stop after he said okay. He continued to follow then he said he lost him. Then the 911 tape stops. For all we know he continued to follow.

But some people hear what they want to hear.

What do you base that on? Can you provide specifics?

Again, here is the complete 911 call.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GRAPHI ... index.html

Zimmerman was told once he did not need to follow him, and zimmerman responded okay. That is the ONLY time the subject is brought up. You guys are making shit up

Guess who is hearing what they want to hear?

Likely yourself, as I sourced this at the top of this page.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167549&start=330#p3668151

Unsurprisingly, the topic came up when Zimmerman spoke to the police. He said he kept following Martin.

That does not in any way line up with the 911 recording. Sorry, your source is stretching there.

Go ahead, try to match this up. Zimmerman is the first 2 minutes, it will only take you a few seconds to find out how that source is flawed and probably intentionally.

Symms source says :

George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain, calls 911 to report "a suspicious person" in the gated community called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman says he is following Martin after the teen had started to run, after which the dispatcher tells him, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman pursues Martin anyway, before losing sight of him.

Where do you find anything in this tape that suggests that last part is true? It isn't there. That statement is false.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GRAPHI ... index.html

Dude, at this point, you're either trolling, or being exceptionally dense. That last part is taken from Zimmerman's statement to the police, and I've sourced it. Indeed, the Sanford police department have confirmed that that was what he said.