Who take vaccine?

[Dukasaur]

For the very few that cannot vax..my sympathies. For all the rest....I guess we let Darwin do his thing.

You're going to be waiting a long time for Darwin to do his thing with a virus that is 99.3% non-lethal, according to Science. It's like you're part of the D-Day invasion, have been tasked with taking out an entire German platoon, and have chosen a large carrot as your weapon.

Vax Sheep all seem to think we're dealing with the bubonic plague. While they're cowering in fear, clutching their pearls, I'm out and about, business as usual. I may get it, I probably won't. Either way, no biggie.

Gold

In the G7 nations, between 90 and 95% of those currently hospitalized are unvaccinated. Saxi keeps quoting the mortality rate as if death is the only possible negative outcome of illness. Going to the hospital is a pretty unpleasant thing. Coughing your guts up is a pretty unpleasant thing. Even if all you do is lose a couple weeks off work, that can be a serious cost. Even if the worst thing that happens is you have to cancel your vacation plans, that's still a pisser.

[saxitoxin]

For the very few that cannot vax..my sympathies. For all the rest....I guess we let Darwin do his thing.

You're going to be waiting a long time for Darwin to do his thing with a virus that is 99.3% non-lethal, according to Science. It's like you're part of the D-Day invasion, have been tasked with taking out an entire German platoon, and have chosen a large carrot as your weapon.

Vax Sheep all seem to think we're dealing with the bubonic plague. While they're cowering in fear, clutching their pearls, I'm out and about, business as usual. I may get it, I probably won't. Either way, no biggie.

Gold

In the G7 nations, between 90 and 95% of those currently hospitalized are unvaccinated.

You know what's also true?

In the G7 nations, less than 1% of the unvaccinated are hospitalized.*

I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you're a big giant fat slob and are determined to stay that way, you should get vaccinated. People who aren't big giant fat slobs have an astronomically low risk of death or other serious outcome from COVID-19. People who are hospitalized for COVID-19: 80% are overweight, 70% had a vitamin D deficiency. You want to avoid a serious outcome from COVID-19? Lose 25 pounds and drink orange juice instead of Coke. The vaccine is a medicine to protect people from the outcomes of being fat. This is a pandemic of the lazy.

*There are 150MM unvaccinated people and 919,000 hospital beds in the U.S. If 100% of hospital beds are occupied by unvaccinated people (meaning not one hospital bed anywhere in America was being used for car crash victims, people who just had heart attacks, etc.) (they're not), that would mean 0.6% of all unvaccinated people are hospitalized.

[saxitoxin]

The Lambda variant will be here next month and your vaccines won't protect you. Lambda gives a shit about your vaccines.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 085v1.full

Nature is currently self correcting for the excesses of modern society by taking out the weakest humans. Want to rely on a vaccine instead of losing 20 pounds? Darwin will do his thing.

[KoolBak]

Curious. Lambda is 7 letters down from Delta. Are they named sequentially? If so, there were a bunch we didn't hear about?

[DirtyDishSoap]

I believe they're going by Latin.

[saxitoxin]

NPR fact-checked the CDC and found that it's spreading false claims and disinformation about COVID-19 ...

In a leaked report, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention made a surprising claim about the delta variant of the coronavirus: It "is as transmissible as: - Chicken Pox," the agency wrote in a slideshow presentation leaked to The Washington Post on July 26.

Chickenpox is one of the most contagious viruses known. Each individual can spread the virus to as many as "90% of the people close to that person," the CDC reports.

Is the delta variant that contagious as well?

The short answer is no, says evolutionary biologist and biostatistician Tom Wenseleers at the University of Leuven in Belgium.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... chickenpox

This has been exposed. Imagine what hasn't yet.

You're relying on a disinfo agency to vouch for the safety and efficacy of the Frankenvax.

[KoolBak]

I believe they're going by Latin.

Kidding, right? Never know with you meth-couverans

[jusplay4fun]

Let's set the record straight on some of the myths circulating about COVID-19 vaccines.

Myth: The COVID-19 vaccine is not safe because it was rapidly developed and tested.
Fact: Many pharmaceutical companies invested significant resources into quickly developing a vaccine for COVID-19 because of the world-wide impact of the pandemic. The emergency situation warranted an emergency response but that does not mean that companies bypassed safety protocols or didn't perform adequate testing.

Mayo Clinic will recommend the use of those vaccines that we are confident are safe. While there are many COVID-19 vaccine candidates in development, early interim data are encouraging for the Pfizer vaccine which likely is to be the first authorized for emergency use by the FDA in the late December/early January timeframe. This vaccine was created using a novel technology based on the molecular structure of the virus. The novel methodology to develop a COVID-19 vaccine allows it to be free from materials of animal origin and synthesized by an efficient, cell-free process without preservatives. This vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech has been studied in approximately 43,000 people.

To receive emergency use authorization, the biopharmaceutical manufacturer must have followed at least half of the study participants for at least two months after completing the vaccination series, and the vaccine must be proven safe and effective in that population. In addition to the safety review by the FDA, the Advisory Committee on Immunization has convened a panel of vaccine safety experts to independently evaluate the safety data from the clinical trial. Mayo Clinic vaccine experts also will review the available data. The safety of COVID-19 vaccine will continue to be closely monitored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the FDA.

Myth: I already had COVID-19 and I have recovered, so I don't need to get a COVID-19 vaccine when it's available.
Fact: There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again. This is called natural immunity. Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but more studies are needed to better understand this. Mayo Clinic recommends getting the COVID-19 vaccine, even if you’ve had COVID-19 previously. However, those that had COVID-19 should delay vaccination until about 90 days from diagnosis. People should not get vaccinated if in quarantine after exposure or if they have COVID-19 symptoms./p>

Myth: There are severe side effects of the COVID-19 vaccines.
Fact: There are short-term mild or moderate vaccine reactions that resolve without complication or injury. The early phase studies of the Pfizer vaccine show that it is safe. About 15% of people developed short lived symptoms at the site of the injection. 50% developed systemic reactions primarily headache, chills, fatigue or muscle pain or fever lasting for a day or two. Keep in mind that these side effects are indicators that your immune system is responding to the vaccine and are common when receiving vaccines.

Myth: I won't need to wear a mask after I get vaccinated for COVID-19.
Fact: It may take time for everyone who wants a COVID-19 vaccination to get one. Also, while the vaccine may prevent you from getting sick, it is unknown at this time if you can still carry and transmit the virus to others. Until more is understood about how well the vaccine works, continuing with precautions such as mask-wearing and physical distancing will be important.

Until more is understood about how well the vaccine works, continuing with precautions, such as wearing a mask and practicing physical distancing, will be important.

Myth: More people will die as a result of a negative side effect to the COVID-19 vaccine than would actually die from the virus.
Fact: Circulating on social media is the claim that COVID-19's mortality rate is 1%-2% and that people should not be vaccinated against a virus with a high survival rate. However, a 1% mortality rate is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu. In addition, the mortality rate can vary widely and is influenced by age, sex and underlying health condition.

While some people that receive the vaccine may develop symptoms as their immune system responds, remember that this is common when receiving any vaccine and not considered serious or life-threatening. You cannot get COVID-19 infection from the COVID-19 vaccines; they are inactivated vaccines and not live viruses.

It's important to recognize that getting the vaccine is not just about survival from COVID-19. It's about preventing spread of the virus to others and preventing infection that can lead to long-term negative health effects. While no vaccine is 100% effective, they are far better than not getting a vaccine. The benefits certainly outweigh the risks in healthy people.

Myth: The COVID-19 vaccine was developed to control the general population either through microchip tracking or "nanotransducers" in our brains.
Fact: There is no vaccine microchip, and the vaccine will not track people or gather personal information into a database.

This myth started after comments made by Bill Gates from The Gates Foundation about a digital certificate of vaccine records. The technology he was referencing is not a microchip, has not been implemented in any manner and is not tied to the development, testing or distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.

Myth: COVID-19 vaccines will alter my DNA.
Fact: The first COVID-19 vaccines to reach the market are likely to be messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines. According to the CDC, mRNA vaccines work by instructing cells in the body how to make a protein that triggers an immune response. Injecting mRNA into your body will not interact or do anything to the DNA of your cells. Human cells break down and get rid of the mRNA soon after they have finished using the instructions.

Myth: COVID-19 vaccines were developed using fetal tissue.
Fact: Neither the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine nor the Moderna COVID-19 vaccines contain fetal cells nor were fetal cells used the development or production of either vaccine.

Myth: COVID-19 vaccines cause infertility or miscarriage.
Fact: No, COVID-19 vaccines have not been linked to infertility or miscarriage.

A sophisticated disinformation campaign has been circulating online, claiming that antibodies to the spike protein of COVID-19 produced from these vaccines will bind to placental proteins and prevent pregnancy. This disinformation is thought to originate from internet postings by a former scientist known to hold anti-vaccine views.

These postings are not scientifically plausible, as COVID-19 infection has not been linked to infertility. Also, no other viral infection or vaccination-inducing immunity by similar mechanisms has been shown to cause infertility. Antibodies to the spike protein have not been linked to infertility after COVID-19 infection. There is no scientific reason to believe this will change after vaccination for COVID-19.

While there are no formal studies, the best evidence comes from women who got sick with COVID-19 while pregnant. While data clearly indicate pregnant women are at higher risk of hospitalization due to COVID-19 infection, there is no evidence of increased miscarriage rates.

During natural infection, the immune system generates the same antibodies to the spike protein that COVID-19 vaccines would. Thus, if COVID-19 affected fertility, there already would be an increase in miscarriage rates in women infected with COVID-19. This has not happened.

Myth: I am allergic to eggs so I shouldn't get the COVID-19 vaccine
Fact: Neither the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine nor the Moderna COVID-19 vaccines contain egg nor were eggs used the development or production of either vaccine. However, those with severe allergic reactions to eggs or any other substance (i.e., anaphylaxis) are encouraged to remain after vaccination for 30 minutes for observation.

Myth: COVID-19 vaccines must be stored at extremely low temperatures because of preservatives in the vaccines.
Fact: Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna have reported that their vaccines contain no preservatives.

Different vaccines have different storage requirements. For instance, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine must be stored at minus 94 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 70 degrees Celsius), while Moderna has said that its vaccine needs to be stored at minus 4 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 20 degrees Celsius). Both of these vaccines use messenger RNA, or mRNA, to teach your cells how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response to COVID-19. However, messenger RNA is fragile and can break down easily. Storing messenger RNA vaccines, like these COVID-19 vaccines, in an ultracold environment keeps them stable and safe.

You should not worry about these temperatures. Vaccines are thawed before injection.

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/featured-topic/covid-19-vaccine-myths-debunked

CONCLUSION #1: I think that mRNA Vaccines will cause major mental stress AND ED among those who names contain a, i, s and/or x

CONCLUSION #2: the J&J vaccine will cause the penis of those same men simply to fall off.

I went to the same school as saxi to LEARN ALL that, that is, how to draw great conclusions from ALL THOSE FACTS.

[jusplay4fun]

How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant (B.1.617.2)?
July 30, 2021
https://asm.org/Articles/2021/July/How-Dangerous-is-the-Delta-Variant-B-1-617-2

asm = American Society of Microbiology

2. Is the Delta variant more dangerous than other variants of concern?
According to surveys conducted in the U.K., where Delta accounts for ~90% of current COVID-19 cases, symptoms of Delta tend to be a little different than other strains, but that does not necessarily mean the associated symptoms are more severe. Fever, headache, sore throat and runny nose are common, while cough and loss of smell are not. Other reports link Delta to more serious symptoms, including hearing impairment, severe gastrointestinal issues and blood clots leading to tissue death and gangrene. Research is ongoing to determine if Delta infection is associated with increased hospitalization and death. One early study assessing the risk of hospital admission in Scotland reported that hospitalization is twice as likely in unvaccinated individuals with Delta than in unvaccinated individuals with Alpha.
Case numbers and hospitalizations are once again on the rise in the U.S., especially in states where vaccination percentages are low and the Delta variant is surging. On July 16, 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported a 7-day average increase in new COVID-19 cases of 69.3% and a 35% increase in hospitalizations. Still, it is difficult to determine whether Delta is actually making people sicker than previous forms of the virus or if it is simply circulating amongst more vulnerable populations where case numbers are high, vaccination rates are low and increased stress on hospital systems is impacting patient care and disease outcomes.

What is clear is that the majority of hospitalizations and COVID-19-associated deaths in the U.S. are occurring in unvaccinated people, leading to a chilling warning from CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky that “this is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated.”

3. Will vaccines remain protective against the Delta variant?
Studies show that 2 doses of vaccines are effective at preventing hospitalization and death, but neutralization levels of vaccinated sera are lower against the Delta variant compared to the original strain. A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine tested neutralization activity of sera from individuals who had recovered from natural SARS-CoV-2 infection and sera from individuals who had been fully vaccinated with Moderna or Pfizer vaccines against infectious B.1.617.2 virus. Data from the study indicated that, on average, the Delta variant was 2.9 times less susceptible to neutralization than the Wuhan strain, but most convalescent serum samples and all vaccination serum samples showed detectable neutralization activity. As a result, researchers concluded that immunity conferred by mRNA vaccines is likely to be retained against the Delta variant.

[jusplay4fun]

I believe they're going by Latin.

You do realize that alpha, beta, gamma, delta, and lambda are ALL GREEK letters, right?

[DirtyDishSoap]

I said it in a non factual way. The fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

[jusplay4fun]

I said it in a non factual way. The fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

sorry that I missed seeing your sarcastic face and/or smile when you typed it.

NOT..! .....I really don't wanna see your face or smile At least your smile is better than KB's

[jusplay4fun]

The Delta variant continues to tear through the U.S.

This week new infections—an average of 126,000 daily—hit highs not seen since February, with the Delta variant now accounting for more than 97 percent of new cases. Meanwhile, roughly 93 million Americans who are eligible for a vaccine have not taken the shot.

IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS:

1,617,126

CONFIRMED CASES (+78%)

ONE IN
202

PEOPLE INFECTED


7,893

REPORTED DEATHS (+80%)

from NatGeo

[jusplay4fun]

In the USA the stats for COVID cases, deaths from COVID, and hospitalizations (due to COVID) are all trending in the same general pattern.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

[saxitoxin]

In the USA the stats for COVID cases, deaths from COVID, and hospitalizations (due to COVID) are all trending in the same general pattern.

Interesting, we were on a downward momentum about to flatten the virus. Then full vaccine eligibility began and the momentum started swinging back up. Yikes. Not a big confidence booster in a vaccine in which the more people vaccinated, the larger share of the population end up six feet under ground.

[jusplay4fun]

In the USA the stats for COVID cases, deaths from COVID, and hospitalizations (due to COVID) are all trending in the same general pattern.

Interesting, we were on a downward momentum about to flatten the virus. Then full vaccine eligibility began and the momentum started swinging back up. Yikes. Not a big confidence booster in a vaccine in which the more people vaccinated, the larger share of the population end up six feet under ground.

saxi, Again, you FAIL to understand:
1) cause and effect;
2) causality vs. correlation; AND
3) the biology of a virus;
4) how virus, such as the common cold or flu, MUTATE.

Try reading a Biology textbook. That may help you understand BASIC Science, saxi, since you did not learn like you were SUPPOSED to in basic high school Biology class.

Here, let me help your edification begin:

Antigenic Drift
As a virus replicates, its genes undergo random “copying errors” (i.e. genetic mutations). Over time, these genetic copying errors can, among other changes to the virus, lead to alterations in the virus’ surface proteins or antigens.

Our immune system uses these antigens to recognize and fight the virus. So, what happens if a virus mutates to evade our immune system?

In influenza viruses, genetic mutations accumulate and cause its antigens to “drift”— meaning the surface of the mutated virus looks different than the original virus.

and one more:

General Concepts
Genetic Change in Viruses
Viruses are continuously changing as a result of genetic selection. They undergo subtle genetic changes through mutation and major genetic changes through recombination. Mutation occurs when an error is incorporated in the viral genome. Recombination occurs when coinfecting viruses exchange genetic information, creating a novel virus.

BOTTOM LINE: saxi AGAIN tries to spread LIES and MISINFORMATION about COVID. saxi now is behind 0-2019

[DirtyDishSoap]

I said it in a non factual way. The fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

sorry that I missed seeing your sarcastic face and/or smile when you typed it.

NOT..! .....I really don't wanna see your face or smile At least your smile is better than KB's

KB thinks I'm hooked on meth.
Its booger sugar you assholes. Jesus f*ck, i have more class than that.

Can't even be sarcastic anymore with you dorks. Am i getting to old?!

[Doc_Brown]

On the topic of vaccine hesitancy vs. education, a study from Carnegie Mellon University might be surprising:

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vac ... -all-phds/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf

[HitRed]

KB thinks I'm hooked on meth.
Its booger sugar you assholes. Jesus f*ck, i have more class than that.

The Second Commandment

My Most Holy Name and the Name of My Son have become common everyday slang words universally. The Second Commandment states you shalt not use My Name in vain. Yet, the common practice today is to profane this Law as a means of expressing surprise, alarm or anger. The motive in the heart when My Name or My Son's Name is used, needs to be one of reverence, homage and respect. During these evil times, there is very little respect or reverence in hearts for Me."

[Doc_Brown]

I think the thing that has been most surprising to me is how insistent people are about getting vaccinated regardless of whether one has had a case of Covid. When we get the flu shot, they ask if you have had the flu within the past month because it can cause a reaction to receive the vaccine while flu antibodies are active in your system. Perhaps one of you have come across better information, but the explanations about why one needs to be vaccinated even after having a symptomatic case of Covid seem to come down to "we don't know how long the natural immunity will last." This explanation makes me skeptical. Given the motivation to vaccinate as many people as possible, any evidence of natural immunity being less effective than the vaccine would surely be widely published. There are also statements that natural immunity starts to fade after 6-8 months but vaccine immunity lasts a full year. Now we're seeing significant levels of breakthrough infections (vaccinated people testing positive for Covid) [1]. Most of these cases are quite a bit milder, so the vaccines are highly effective at reducing symptoms, but the actual immunity against the variants appears to be reduced compared to earlier results, thus reducing its benefit compared to natural immunity (6 month booster shots are already recommended for high risk individuals).

So, how does the vaccine actually work? The Moderna and Pfiezer vaccines both inject you with messenger RNA. These enter into cells primarily in your arms (though they are known to migrate to other parts of your body as well) and turn the infected cells into factories producing the infamous spike protein. Your bodies' immune system detects the spike protein and develops an immunity to it. In the short term after receiving the vaccine, you have active antibodies in your system. Over time, those antibodies fade, though you retain T cells that are able to restart the antibody production. On the other hand, when you come down with a case of Covid, your immune system detects the entire virus, not just the spike protein, and it develops an immunity against the whole thing, including spike proteins.

That means that the vaccines train your body to very efficiently attack the spike proteins. Natural immunity results in a reaction to all parts of the virus. Now we enter into the realm of supposition. My guess is that the vaccine immunity results in a much more efficient response to the spike protein than natural immunity, and the spike protein is key part of the virus's ability to cause a symptomatic response. Perhaps that specialized response to a very specific protein lasts longer than a general response to the overall virus. On the other hand, a slight mutation of the virus that causes the spike protein to look a bit different will no longer be as effectively eliminated by a vaccine-based immunity. Whereas an immune response to all parts of the virus can be more effective in such cases.


[1] https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08 ... feat-delta

Israel has among the world’s highest levels of vaccination for COVID-19, with 78% of those 12 and older fully vaccinated, the vast majority with the Pfizer vaccine. Yet the country is now logging one of the world’s highest infection rates, with nearly 650 new cases daily per million people. More than half are in fully vaccinated people, underscoring the extraordinary transmissibility of the Delta variant and stoking concerns that the benefits of vaccination ebb over time.

[jay_a2j]

For some, it is not "hesitancy" it's a flat out THANKS, BUT I'LL PASS ON THE JAB.

I mean here we have 1000 reasons to pass on the jab>>> https://1000covidstories.com/

No hesitancy here!

[saxitoxin]

[saxitoxin]