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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:15 pm

I feel like talking about something other than the national and SEC championship so...

Should Boise State get in the BCS over Ohio State? Let's face it. Ohio state has 2 losses, I know they are a good team and maybe they play in a tougher conference but especially considering what happened in the Fiesta Bowl when Boise played I think their undefeated season means more than Ohio State's 2 loss season.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:00 pm

The Boise State, Utah and perhaps the Ball State placement is a tough call, precisely because of schedule. They have great records against mostly lesser teams. Utah beat Notre Dame/TCU/BYU and Boise State squeezed past #17 Oregon (37-32)... but the Oregon and TCU wins are good, but singular achievements in this year's football climate. Utah remained unbeaten with a last second score against TCU (who were dominated by Oklahoma) while Boise State survived a scare from Nevada.

I don't want to say those teams aren't deserving, but they also haven't prevailed over the toughest of competition this year. Utah is the highest ranked of the group and has a defense that just might make them a tough opponent for anyone they meet... I'm not so sure about Boise State this time out, they aren't the same "underdog" team that pulled off that ballsy bowl OT win over OU.

How do you think any of these teams would fare against Georgia, Ole Miss, Texas Tech or Oklahoma State? Not to mention USC, Penn State, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama or Florida. Boise State's bowl great win is countered by Hawaii's total dismantling... and I can't imagine any of these teams but Utah getting a BCS Bowl. Which means there's a good possibility that Boise State and Ball State could both finish the season unbeaten.

All these teams that want to remove "the doubts" from the end of year selections they need to look at their own schedules and make an effort to upgrade... that includes the big boys too. Every major football program has cupcake games that pretty much guarantee a notch in the win column, with the very rare exception... like what Appalachian State did last year and Troy State should have done this one.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:18 pm

oVo wrote:How do you think any of these teams would fare against Georgia, Ole Miss, Texas Tech or Oklahoma State?


I actually don't think that they would fare that badly. I'm not sure if they could actually beat any of those teams but I think that they could make it close. The point is that I think Boise State deserves the chance at BCS glory over a two loss Ohio State team.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:34 pm

You've made me curious enough to look at the schedules and see who these guys played...
I know OSU got creamed at #1 USC and one turnover cost them a tight defensive game to #3 Penn State.

BCS #6 Utah (12-0) Mountain West Champions
2-0 vs Ranked Teams, 4 wins vs winning records, 1 win vs .500
Michigan (3-9) W 25-23
UNLV (5-7) W 42-21
Utah State (3-9) W 58-10
Air Force (8-4) W 30-23
Weber State (2-0) W 37-21
Oregon State (8-4) W 31-28
Wyoming (4-8) W 40-7
Colorado State (6-6) W 49-16
New Mexico (4-8) W 13-10
#12 TCU (10-2) W 13-10 . . . BCS #11
San Diego State (2-10) W 63-14
#14 Brigham Young (10-2) W 48-24 . . . BCS #18

BCS #9 Boise State (12-0) WAC Champions
1-0 vs Ranked Teams, 5 wins vs winning records, 3 wins vs .500
Idaho State (1-11) W 49-7
Bowling Green (6-6) W 20-7
#17 Oregon (9-3) W 37-32 . . . BCS #19
Louisiana Tech (7-5) W 38-3
Southern Miss (6-6) W 24-7
Hawaii (7-5) W 27-7
San Jose State (6-6) W 33-16
New Mexico State (3-9) W 49-0
Utah State (3-9) W 49-14
Idaho (2-10) W 45-10
Nevada (7-5) W 41-34
Fresno State (7-5) W 61-10

BCS #10 Ohio State (10-2) Big Ten Co-Champions
3-2 vs Ranked Teams, 5-2 vs winning records
Youngstown State (4-8) W 43-0
Ohio (4-8) W 26-14
#1 USC 2-1 (10-1) L 35-3 . . . BCS #5
9/20 Troy 3-1 (7-4) W 28-10 . . . Sun Belt Champions
9/27 Minnesota (7-5) W 34-21
#18 Wisconsin (7-5) W 20-17
10/11 Purdue (4-8) W 16-3
#20 Michigan State (9-3) W 45-7 . . . BCS #21
#3 Penn State (11-1) L 13-6 . . . BCS #8
#24 Northwestern (9-3) W 45-10 . . . BCS #22
11/15 @ Illinois (5-7) W 30-20
11/22 Michigan (3-9) W 42-7

BCS #12 (?) Ball State University (12-1) Mid-America West Champions
Played no Ranked Teams, 3 wins vs winning records, 1 win vs .500
Northeastern (2-10) W 48-14
Navy (7-4) W 35-23
Akron (5-7) W 41-24
Indiana (3-9) W 42-20
Kent State (4-8) W 41-20
Toledo (3-9) W 31-0
Western Kentucky (2-9) W 24-7
Eastern Michigan (3-9) W 38-16
Northern Illinois (6-6) W 45-14
Miami (OH) (2-10) W 31-16
Central Michigan (8-4) W 31-24
Western Michigan (9-3) W 45-22
MAC Championship Buffalo (8-5) L 42-24
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:35 am

Alabama has been hard on coaches this year, Tommy Tuberville has stepped down at Auburn after his most dissapointing season in ten years at Auburn. Which brings the number of ex-head coaches the Crimson Tide faced to five.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:41 am

Yeah, it surprised me when I heard about old Tubby. I hear that some of the front runners for the spot could Texas Tech's head coach, Tulsa's head coach and Louisiana Tech's head coach.
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Re: Football (of the best kind) Really

Postby oVo on Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:08 am

Guess we'll see soon enough what new direction Auburn and the rest take... it can't be too much fun for smaller schools finally acheiving some success on the field only to lose their head coaches. In the past
East Carolina has given up good coaches to both Auburn and Georgia Tech... now they have Skip Holtz,
who's recent success is bound to get him an offer he can't refuse in the near future.

But... before all of that works itself out... the day is finally here,
ALABAMA VS FLORIDA
so... what do you think will win the day... brutal physical power? or speed ? ? ?
I anticipate a balanced attack from both teams . ..
and think Bama can get it done... yet really see it as a toss up... IF it's an error free game.
Both teams have strengths that can negate the other... but if the score stays close I think the
Tide might just wear them down as they've done everyone they've faced all season...
of course Florida has also had success wearing teams out as the game goes on.

If both QBs play well... this will be one rockin' game.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:21 am

I'll take Bama by three. No one in the country prepares his team for a game better than Saban and the only other time Florida's lost a game this year was against another physical defense, I think history might repeat itself. Above that part of the reason Florida's D has such a good scoring margin is that they are able to force people into catch up mode quickly. Alabama will slow down the tempo of the game and prevent this from happening. Next, Tebow won't be able to have any big runs against Bama's front line. It'll be like that fourth and one play in the Ole Miss game only it will happen more than once. Bama will stop him from running, they will get sacks on him and they will force him to make some hurried throws, which with Tebow's slow release will cause problems. Trickery also won't work against Bama, they'll stay at home and when the surprise guy gets the ball, they'll pop him good. Finally, what people forget is that Alabama has the second best scoring offense in the SEC, second only to Florida and scoring over 30 points per game. There strong offensive line will bruise and batter an already injured Florida front seven and you will see Alabama consistently getting 5-6 yard plays on the ground.

However, this is not to say it will be a blow-out. There will be times when Florida's speed does get the advantage over Alabama's D and they will score. But in the long run, I would expect Alabama's physicality to win out.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:00 pm

not to mention that Harvin won't be playing and even if he does, I doubt his ankle will be healed enough for him to run his fastest or even play as much as he would usually.

Edit: I also like the photo with both the coaches in it. I'm not sure if I'm looking at it right, but it looks almost like Meyer is trying to intimidate Saban a bit.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:11 pm

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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:55 pm

Well, the game is about to start so I probably won't be back until at least half-time.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:44 pm

End of first half. I was expecting a better start for Alabama but not too far off from what I was thinking so far. Tebow's taken a couple big licks but overall Florida's o-line has held up fairly well. One thing I would like to say is that I think Alabama will reestablish the offense in the second half as they've so far succeeded in making Florida's d play more physical than they're used to which I believe will wear them down in the long run. As far as who will win, Florida has a slight advantage with their 7 point lead, but it will most likely come down to who makes better half-time adjustments and who wants it more.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:31 pm

Congraulations to the Florida Gators. It was close till the 4th and they just ran away a bit. I guess the one thing that surprised me more than anything is that even when Alabama forced Florida to go with a little less speed and a little more power they weren't really able to dominate. They did beat them in that category but never dominated.

Two biggest difference makers. Probably just the bad start that Alabama got off to and catching the kick-off at the three yard line instead of letting it go out of bounds.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:29 am

Arenas catching that kickoff and stepping out was definitely the biggest mistake of the first half, particularly after Alabama went 3 and out to give Florida a short field and an easier scoring opportunity.

It was a great game... and I really expected Alabama to win it... their Third Quarter was nothing short of excellent, but they just couldn't maintain that edge and Tebow essentially willed the Gators down the field when they had to have it.The Quarterback play on both sides was big... but Florida managed to put more pressure on John Parker Wilson in the Fourth Quarter, which was definitely a big factor in the outcome. When Bama had the running game working, the play action pass worked great, but catch up mode killed 'em at the end.

The game was statistically close and error free, with the exception of the interception in the last two minutes that closed out the win for Florida. Much like the quality of play in the SEC Championship,
the Sooners rolling over Mizzou was no surprise either.

Sure are a lot of great one loss teams now... and only two unbeatens remain, which is inconsequencial now eh? Except that Utah will get a BCS Bowl bid... but who will be their opponent?
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:35 am

I think the thing that cost Alabama the most was really Wilson's inability to call the audible or to at least read the defense. There were several times where I could see the blitz coming from a mile away and the fact that he didn't doesn't look good for him.

The funny thing is that I never felt that Florida really looked dominant until the 4th quarter, however there were several points where Alabama was looking dominant and for some unexplainable reason just lost it without a moment's notice. Examples would be that drive where Alabama was marching down the field and end up trying to fake the field goal and the beginning of the 4th quarter when Florida came down to retake the lead.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:57 pm

I really, really, really thought Alabama had a grip on this game after the third quarter
and they went away from their patient play calling and let them off the hook. Early on
Wilson was able to burn the Gator blitz... but couldn't pull it off late in the game.

We'll know what the BCS thought of yesterday's games soon enough.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:21 pm

Wilson got lucky a lot. He obviously was misreading the defense on most of the plays or was at least highly reluctant to call an audible. I think that he really was the difference in that game. If they had a quarterback like Joe Cox, the back-up for Matthew Stafford at Georgia, they would probably have been fine. Probably scored 1 or 2 more touchdowns and controlled the game long enough to keep Florida from making a 4th quarter come back. Either way, it was a great game and much closer than the score made it.

By the way, what was with Tebow running into the kick-off team after the last touchdown? That just looked wierd to me.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:22 pm

Oh yeah... Coach Tebow was out there firing up the special teams guys.
That Heisman guy is truely special

The BCS Bowl Matchups are out

#1 Oklahoma (12-1) vs #2 Florida (12-1) in Miami

#3 Texas (11-1) vs #10 Ohio State (10-2)

#5 USC (10-1) vs #8 Penn State (10-1)

#4 Alabama (12-1) vs #6 Utah (12-0)

#19 Virginia Tech (9-4) vs #12 Cincinnati (11-2)

#7 Texas Tech vs #25 Ole' Miss, #15 Georgia vs #18 Michigan State,
LSU vs #14 Georgia Tech
and #9 Boise State get's #11 TCU.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:29 am

I think that Texas vs. Alabama would have been a better match-up than Alabama vs. Utah and Texas vs. Ohio State.

Georgia better watch out as they could easily lose the Michigan State game. I would predict Texas Tech beating Ole Miss though it may turn into a good game. Georgia Tech will simply destroy the mediocre (at best) LSU team. I would also predict that USC comes out with a fairly clear victory against Penn State, though I'm not convinced it will be a blow out. As for Oklahoma vs. Florida, I honestly think that the Big 12 was a better conference than the SEC this year but I also think that Florida has a good chance at coming out of this game as the victor.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:16 am

I agree with you... my very first thought was exactly Alabama vs Texas would easily be one of the best matchups, after all they are by far two of the best football teams this year. Guess it couldn't be all SEC's top teams against the Big 12's... but it would have been nice, and let Utah take on the Buckeyes.

The Big 12 had the best conference this year, but I see Florida/Oklahoma as a toss up, both teams have the ability to roll right over the other and i just hope it's a great game. Can't say I see the logic behind matching up #25 against #7 in a bowl gameDon't underestimate Ole Miss, most of their losses this year were self inflicted and they have an excellent head coach who knows how to get it done. Then again, regardless of the score, never count Tech out as they have an uncanny ability to score fast as Virginia learned the hard way in their bowl game last year. I don't know who drew Oklahoma State in a bowl yet, but I suspect whoever it is will have their hands full.

I expect Penn State to hold it's own against USC... even though the game is on their "home turf" they aren't the offensive juggernaut of previous years and this Rose Bowl could be a defensive clinic from both teams.

I think ECU gets an SEC opponent, will that be Kentucky?
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:52 am

oVo wrote:I agree with you... my very first thought was exactly Alabama vs Texas would easily be one of the best matchups, after all they are by far two of the best football teams this year. Guess it couldn't be all SEC's top teams against the Big 12's... but it would have been nice, and let Utah take on the Buckeyes.

The Big 12 had the best conference this year, but I see Florida/Oklahoma as a toss up, both teams have the ability to roll right over the other and i just hope it's a great game. Can't say I see the logic behind matching up #25 against #7 in a bowl gameDon't underestimate Ole Miss, most of their losses this year were self inflicted and they have an excellent head coach who knows how to get it done.


I don't predict that Ole Miss will go down without a fight, I just see TT as a more likely win in that game. I would also say that Alabama vs. Texas would probably have been second only to Florida vs. Oklahoma as far as best matches go. Either way, I think Alabama will beat Utah and right now I feel that Florida's offense combined with it's good defense will be enough to beat Oklahoma, though overall I agree that it is a hard game to call.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:56 pm

Here's something to consider... IF Utah beats Alabama convincingly and remains unbeaten
can they jump to #1 and be crowned this year's mythical National Champions?

That would be the BCS Buster of all time.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:23 am

It would make sense but I'm not sure if it would happen. In other words, no comment.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby oVo on Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:09 am

Well, that's a very big IF and I certainly expect Alabama to win this game,
but... it would be quite the shocker.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:31 am

oVo wrote:Well, that's a very big IF and I certainly expect Alabama to win this game,
but... it would be quite the shocker.



Really it's not as unlikely as Hawaii beating Georgia was last year and I won't be surprised at all if they keep it close, I just don't see them being able to leap frog all the one loss teams at the end of the season even if they pull off the upset.

Also I find it more likely that Texas may get a share of the title if Oklahoma doesn't win convincingly and that also is a big IF.
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