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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Gweeedo on Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:20 am

Its all in the DNA

Example: If you take all the letters of the alphabet (A to Z) and put them into a hat; you then take three people...each person randomly picks one letter out of the hat; The three letters (totally random) that were pulled out of the hat happen to spell BAT...we got a word by chance of random process.

Given enough time you could get another word, given enough time you could get words that make up a sentence, more time you could get an encyclopedia. No matter how remote and improbable it sounds, there is always the possibility.
Its only evolutionist that believe in chance random processes.
Kinda like the lottery...we happen to win the lottery millions of years ago; The molecules came together by chance..Bingo, there you are!

Anyway, That word BAT (that was drawn out of Chance and random Processes)...who is that a word too? is that a word to an Englishman or a Dutchman or a Frenchman?
who's it a word too. It's only a word to somebody that has the language.
Without the language the order of letters are meaningless.

There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.

There is no evidence that matter has ever given rise to one piece of information, let alone zillions and zillions of bits of information.
Do you know how much information is really in our genes?

A code system is always the result of a mental process (it requires an intelligent origin or inventor)...matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required.
In other words; code systems always come from an intelligent, codes can never arise by chance or random process...you can never produce a code by chance.

in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...in the beginning the cosmos does not work.

Now lets Talk DNA:
The information is not in the molecules. DNA itself is a language system, it codes for a language, if you don't have the language you wont be able to read the order of those molecules and therefore get the information that is necessary to build a human being or dog, cat, or what ever it happens to be. here is the other thing, the language that's there, it enables DNA to make the language that reads the DNA to make the language that reads the DNA to make the language. in other words its all got to be there or it wont work.
If your going to evolve life from matter its not just a matter of saying, ah somehow some living soul arose from matter..no you gota say that matter by itself actually produced language system, and had to produce information..and then over millions of years as one kind supposedly changes into another you would have to produce new pieces of information that never were there to be able to produce characteristics that never were potentially available, and so from a perspective of those who believe in evolution of millions of years, you start with no information and no language system and you have to produce a language system and books of information and more and more books of information.
Actually from a biblical perspective God created the Books of information and the language to start with, and over time you redistribute that information and you lose information...that is what you see, what you observe is the opposite of what evolutionist require.

If evolution is true it should be so obvious that matter gives rise to information...there's no evidence it has ever done it once.
How could you ever believe in evolution by chance random processes?

Scientist, evolutionists can not give one example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?
That is why they say it has to be aliens from outerspace, because they can not explain how life could arise by chance random process.
Evolution is out...has been for some time now.

DNA represents a language (the similarity of DNA and human language is uncanny); the language of life, an unseen author, the creator of heaven and Earth has left a testimony of his existence in the DNA of every living thing.
Now it makes sense of why the Bible says; the fool is said in his heart there is no God..if you don't believe in God you are without excuse. It is so obvious, there is no excuse.

Why is it said Christians have a blind faith? it is atheist who are blind faith. They have a faith that life arose from matter by itself...that's a blind faith, there is no evidence consistent with that. Christians have an objective faith.
Which is why we have the laws of logic why we have uniformity of nature and we can trust those laws.
If the universe evolved by chance random prepossesses, then why would you think that the laws that govern the universe today will be the same tomorrow.
Why should they be.

My memory fails me. If you want to understand what the hell I am talking about; get a book...Titled 'In the beginning was Information' by Dr. Werner Gitt
He is an information scientist.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:55 am

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby chang50 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:21 am

Gweedo you've copied and pasted an article when a simple link would have sufficed,I can tell 'cos the spelling,grammar and punctuation are correct.
The article whilst interesting is a critique of evolution and does not present evidence for the existence of god(s) at all.Everything it claims could be true and it would not advance that case one iota.
It's just another example of erroneously conflating evolution and atheism..
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:14 am

Also, you only have to go as far as the sixth sentence before there's an obvious error:

Its only evolutionist that believe in chance random processes


Evolution does not believe in chance random processes being the only thing that affects the survival of any given gene in the gene pool. The formation of genes has an element of random-ness to it when viewed from a population level, a bit like what you ate for dinner last night would appear to be fairly random if viewed as part of statistics about what everyone in your area ate, but if we knew you and knew your habits, your favourite foods, your social calendar, etc we may be able to predict with some accuracy what you would eat for dinner. Similarly, combining genes is just advanced chemistry, and assuming we had enough information we could predict the probabilities of various different results.

Evolution then adds a further element, that being that the new genes have to be viable (or the organism may not survive long enough to breed and propogate the gene to the next generation), and while not all genes have to be helpful to be passed on, the gene at least shouldn't present the organism with insurmountable difficulties to breeding. A gene that leaves the individual with very low sperm count might be one example here.

I suggest you read a science book about what evolution actually says (and while "Origin of the Species" may be the one that started it, please pick a modern one as the science has moved on massively since the first book and it's no longer a good source of up to date information about the topic - much like Shakespeare is a classic but trying to do a critique of modern society using those works would be doomed to failure)

Also, as chang50 says, even if we grant that everything you say is true (and it's not, I can go further than the sixth sentence and point out all the errors to you if you want), you have gone no distance at all towards proving that God exists, only that a single current scientific theory is flawed.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Gweeedo on Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:56 am

chang50 wrote:Gweedo you've copied and pasted an article when a simple link would have sufficed,I can tell 'cos the spelling,grammar and punctuation are correct.
The article whilst interesting is a critique of evolution and does not present evidence for the existence of god(s) at all.Everything it claims could be true and it would not advance that case one iota.
It's just another example of erroneously conflating evolution and atheism..



I always use my email (copy) when writing (View other posts). I have spent hours writing a post just to lose it while on this site!.
I assure you this was no article.
Although I did quote one or two paragraphs from the book (the book I posted earlier).
Sometimes I have a tough time trying to articulate my thoughts on paper.
Thanks for the kudos on my proper spelling,Grammar.

I admit, I was all over the place.
I had intended to elaborate on DNA and how its code (information) is similar to our own understanding and collecting of information.
If the universe evolved by chance random prepossesses, then why would you think that the laws that govern the universe today will be the same tomorrow.
Why should they be.
The laws (God, the controlling influence) that govern the universe will last forever.

If you are looking for 'Evidence of God' you will find it.
''Evidence for God'' (a closed mind..evidence for argument sake only) is of no particular use...

If a person wants to get close to God, spend some time with Nature...or place yourself in a War zone, jail, Hospital, Calamity.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:56 pm

If you are looking for 'Evidence of God' you will find it.
''Evidence for God'' (a closed mind..evidence for argument sake only) is of no particular use...


I keep seeing this one thrown out there too.

If you train your mind to see what you want it to see, then yes you will find "evidence" for God everywhere. You will find it in the fact that those traffic lights were green when you were late for work. You'll find it in the fact your kid got an A at school. You'll find it in the beauty of a sunset. You won't be able to do anything without finding some sort of divine providence getting involved.

What atheists are asking for when we ask for evidence is "something which can only be explained by God". Those traffic lights being green could be coincidence. Your kid worked damn hard for that A. That sunset looks beautiful whether you believe in God or not, our brains are wired in such a way that no matter what your religious beliefs that sunset was beautiful.

Can you name something that can only be explained by divine influence? All of these things that have other explanations that you credit God for, well they have alternative explanations. There is no need to credit God for any of them because we can view the cause and effect leading up to them and say "this is why that happened". What is there that can be shown that defies all alternative explanations that could only have come from a divine being?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Gweeedo on Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:33 pm

crispybits wrote:
If you are looking for 'Evidence of God' you will find it.
''Evidence for God'' (a closed mind..evidence for argument sake only) is of no particular use...


I keep seeing this one thrown out there too.

If you train your mind to see what you want it to see, then yes you will find "evidence" for God everywhere. You will find it in the fact that those traffic lights were green when you were late for work. You'll find it in the fact your kid got an A at school. You'll find it in the beauty of a sunset. You won't be able to do anything without finding some sort of divine providence getting involved.

What atheists are asking for when we ask for evidence is "something which can only be explained by God". Those traffic lights being green could be coincidence. Your kid worked damn hard for that A. That sunset looks beautiful whether you believe in God or not, our brains are wired in such a way that no matter what your religious beliefs that sunset was beautiful.

Can you name something that can only be explained by divine influence? All of these things that have other explanations that you credit God for, well they have alternative explanations. There is no need to credit God for any of them because we can view the cause and effect leading up to them and say "this is why that happened". What is there that can be shown that defies all alternative explanations that could only have come from a divine being?



1)something which can only be explained by God: DNA

2)Can you name something that can only be explained by divine influence?:Language is recognizable (Morris code), even if you can't read it..Even if you can't read DNA, it has all the hallmarks of Language (information). The similarity between DNA and human language is uncanny. In additions to codes both use similar technics to pack, access, rearrange, copy and translate information.
DNA seems to represent a language...the language of life.

3)we can view the cause and effect leading up to them and say "this is why that happened": Sure you can say this is what happens; only through theory and conjecture.

The Stanley miller experiment: what happened was these people (Scientist) from California, put together an apparatus, putting what they thought was in the original atmosphere (when they weren't there and didn't have a sample) in this apparatus and zapped a spark through it, and they formed Amino acids and they said we formed life in a test tube. They did not form life, there was no information system, no code system there.
Theory and conjecture is their foundation.

Saying; if I can just synthesise life here (in the laboratory)...then I'll have proven that no intelligence was necessary to form life in the beginning.
Whats happening, is that they using intelligently designed equipment with intelligently designed experiments, using their intelligence to try to produce life...to prove it happened by chance and random prepossess...problem of logic there?

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Can you name something that can only be explained by divine influence? End quote; A extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause...manifesting or considered as a work of God.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The evidence is all around you (green light, kid got an A).
Human nature is appose to God, It stands in direct conflict with God. You can Not see the evidence that is right in front of you, while living in a body of flesh.


The fight goes on and will continue until God has had it with us.
All is death, everything will pass away.

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby notyou2 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:44 pm

crispybits wrote:What is there that can be shown that defies all alternative explanations that could only have come from a divine being?




This:


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It is obvious that God put the image of Jesus on this dog. It is also readily apparent that Jesus is a woman.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:23 pm

OK Gweeedo, I'm gonna try and tidy your argument up a bit to make it easier to talk about:

Assumtpion 1: DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.

Assumption 2: All other codes we know the origin of are created by a conscious mind.

Conclusion: Therefore DNA was designed by a mind, and language and information content within DNA are proof of the action of a Superintelligence.

Does that about sum up what you're saying, or would you like to add to/edit any of the above?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Gweeedo on Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:28 pm

Not Exactly.

DNA Is a language system in and of itself (life). God created man in his own image...All who know God have been here from the beginning. Life is the Creator, the creator is life.
The language that is there enables the DNA to make the language that reads the DNA to make the language.
It has all got to be there or it will not work.
From a perspective of those who believe in evolution; you got to say matter by itself actually produce a language system and had to produce information.
What you observe is exactly the opposite of what evolutionist require.

I understand this might not be the information you were looking for.
But to those who might believe man evolved from apes...it might give doubt.
I thought this was very interesting. It is not my life nor my idea, as proof of Gods existence.

History might be the proof you need.
For thousands of years people have been fighting, worshiping, living, dying in the name of GOD.
Maybe the actions and beliefs of the patriarchs (all who believe) of the Bible, brought about the incarnation (the word became flesh) of God.
History is all the proof I need...irrefutable.

Israeli war (Yom Kippur War); a war that began on Yom Kippur in 1973 with the attack of Israel by Egypt, Syria, and Iraq: No chance for Israel, if not for God.

It is not you who get to choose, it is God who chooses you.
No reason for God having to prove himself to you.
If God came down today and showed himself to you...tomorrow you would not believe.
if you find yourself standing with the goats, when in Heaven, you will know you are in trouble...if you see me standing next to you, don't make a sound...Bahhh
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby chang50 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:52 pm

I don't believe after everything written here and elsewhere someone can still say 'for those who might believe men evolved from apes'.Why are so many theists so uneducated about a theory they are so opposed to.Modern day apes are our cousins,we both share a common ancestor..this is basic stuff,man.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby mrswdk on Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:29 am

In China they say that white people have hairier chests, legs etc. because they are less evolved than Asians.

On the other hand, white people say that Asian men have hairless chests because they are still little boys.

The debate continues.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:32 am

There is no "less" or "more" evolved species, including Homo sapiens sapiens.

And humans as a whole are pretty neotenous.

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby chang50 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:42 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:There is no "less" or "more" evolved species, including Homo sapiens sapiens.

And humans as a whole are pretty neotenous.

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Alas it remains an incredibly stubborn idea to eradicate,we hear about the evolutionary 'ladder' regularly in the media when the branches of a tree would be a better illustration.I think human conceit will always mistakenly place our species at an imaginary apex of an imaginary ladder. :( :(
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby mrswdk on Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:59 am

Humans are obviously more evolved than other animals. I don't see any hedgehogs inventing smart phones, pondering the meaning of life or even clutching pens between their opposable thumbs.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby jonesthecurl on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:04 am

mrswdk wrote:Humans are obviously more evolved than other animals. I don't see any hedgehogs inventing smart phones, pondering the meaning of life or even clutching pens between their opposable thumbs.


Read what Douglas Adams said about dolphins.
Also ask yourself what is the point of being "highly evolved" if one still holds some of the opinions expressed in this thread.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:07 am

mrswdk wrote:Humans are obviously more evolved than other animals. I don't see any hedgehogs inventing smart phones, pondering the meaning of life or even clutching pens between their opposable thumbs.


If you take a hedgehog born today and a human born today, they both have inherited the same number of years of selective pressures (actually, to be more exact, a hedgehog has more because of a shorter lifespan, and therefore more chances of mutations through the lineage).

Smarter or faster or stronger =/= more evolved. Indeed, humans are more capable than any other species. Still doesn't mean we're more evolved. For an organism to be more evolved than others, it would have to come from the future.

Hedgehogs fit their niche pretty well. Ours just happens to be bigger, hence the better advantages.

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby mrswdk on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:16 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Hedgehogs fit their niche pretty well


The 'road pancake' niche?

Beijing Zoo's nocturnal emporium has a section with hedgehogs in it.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:17 am

Have they been pancaked?

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby mrswdk on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:23 am

They'll probably be on a BBQ masquerading as 'beef' before too long.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:24 am

Gweeedo wrote:Not Exactly.

DNA Is a language system in and of itself (life). God created man in his own image...All who know God have been here from the beginning. Life is the Creator, the creator is life.
The language that is there enables the DNA to make the language that reads the DNA to make the language.
It has all got to be there or it will not work.
From a perspective of those who believe in evolution; you got to say matter by itself actually produce a language system and had to produce information.
What you observe is exactly the opposite of what evolutionist require.


You're skipping ahead of yourself a bit here. You can't go (1) DNA is a language (Conclusion) God. We need to see your working. Also you seem to be defining God here as "life" which is bio-pantheism not christianity.
Also you seem a bit confused. "DNA is the language that lets DNA talk to DNA". That's equivalent to saying "Russian words are the language that let russian words talk to russian words". For something to qualify as a language it has to be a form of communication between two things that allows for the transfer of information between those two things. Russian speaking people are not russian language, the two are distinct and separate.
I don't deny that we can look at DNA and get information from it, but we can also look at snowflakes and get information from them about highly complex crystalline structures.

Gweeedo wrote:I understand this might not be the information you were looking for.
But to those who might believe man evolved from apes...it might give doubt.
I thought this was very interesting. It is not my life nor my idea, as proof of Gods existence.


It's not evidence of anything. Even if we ignored the problems with your position so far and said that we agree with what you're saying about DNA being a language and it was created by a mind, it still tells us precisely nothing about that mind. Yeah sure it could be the christian God, but it could equally be Zeus or Thor or Allah or Ajbit (one of the Mayan creator Gods) or aliens from another planet or interdimensional beings or any one of a million others things.

Gweeedo wrote:History might be the proof you need.
For thousands of years people have been fighting, worshiping, living, dying in the name of GOD.
Maybe the actions and beliefs of the patriarchs (all who believe) of the Bible, brought about the incarnation (the word became flesh) of God.
History is all the proof I need...irrefutable.


For large parts of history people thought that some really weird things were true. People have also died for things that we now know are just plain untrue. Think of all the people that have followed all the now dead religions and died in the name of those Gods. Does that prove that Thor and Zeus are real too? Just because there have been a lot of people in history who thought something was true has absolutely no bearing on whether that thing is actually true. Stating something as irrefutable doesn't make it so...

Gweeedo wrote:Israeli war (Yom Kippur War); a war that began on Yom Kippur in 1973 with the attack of Israel by Egypt, Syria, and Iraq: No chance for Israel, if not for God.


If you're now defining God as "massive American logistical support including shipping in large numbers of tanks, guns, etc" than yeah you're correct. Unfortunately I don't think I've ever heard of God being defined that way... Also worth noting is that the Americans did this because Israel was basically threatening to nuke their enemies and the americans didn't want a nuclear war being started.

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No reason for God having to prove himself to you.
If God came down today and showed himself to you...tomorrow you would not believe.
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That's a pretty big statement. I wouldn't believe if confronted with God himself. f*ck off! You cannot tell me what I would or would not believe or under what conditions.

And the plain fact is Gweeedo that I'm the only one actually engaging you on this because EVERY SINGLE thing you've said has been said before multiple times in this thread and it has been explained to all of those people exactly all of the same things I'm explaining to you. I could easily have just given you a link back 30 pages instead, and then 40 pages before that, and then 20 pages before that. None of what you're saying is groundbreaking and new, it's the same flawed arguments started by the same creationist hacks that we've been hearing for ages now.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby mrswdk on Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:44 am

Famous German mustachio Nietzsche memorably asserted that, due to His ceasing to serve as an authority in people's lives, God had died. However, as Gweeedo said, God still lives on for some. And if He lives, then He must be 'real' (insofar as anything is 'real').

Nietzsche, however, is very certainly dead.

Your move, evolution.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Gweeedo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:34 am

crispybits:
Quote:what you're saying about DNA being a language and it was created by a mind. end quote

NOOOO!(you are missing it)That is not what I suggested.

OK, maybe I did not explain it fully.
My writing skills are weak. I have not the ability to write a book (explain it in its entirety) or even remember halve the shit I read.
The book might give a person a better understanding: In the beginning was information (DNA). By Dr. Werner Gitt (one of the most Powerful arguments you could ever have against the idea that matter could ever give rise to life)
DNA is fascinating.
You might even say; DNA (life) Created itself within its own design.
Life has always been...there is no beginning no end.
God created man in his own image, man is God (in Christ Jesus).
Time (the beginning, creation) as no relevance in eternity.

Quote: That's a pretty big statement. I wouldn't believe if confronted with God himself. f*ck off! You cannot tell me what I would or would not believe or under what conditions. end quote

That is the only thing I can tell you with certainty (tangible evidence)...GOD said it, not me!
That is just human Nature. It is not that simple...show me evidence and I am a believer.
The world has all the ''evidence of god'' at their feet...why is it, anybody would ask for Evidence of GOD? It is not so they can understand and believe in GOd...it is so they can spit in his face (refute it). No worries, that is human nature...sin is in control.
Once you experience God you will understand that he is everything. everything outside of God is death. All will pass away.

There is a lot we can learn from history.
Thinking we have come so far and have a better understanding, of all things...there is nothing new under the sun. What is, has been before, what is to come, has already been done.

As I have pointed earlier (above), you are wrong in your understanding of what it is I am talking about.
It is clear to me, you have not understood a word I have said. Therefore you must know, your Retort is moot (past and present).
Maybe there is another link you could give, that might touch base on what it is you know me to be saying, Now...or is it going to be ''explained to all of those people exactly all of the same things I'm explaining to you'' Again and again and again.

You are the only one engaging me on this...because you wish to argue.
234 pages on this post, might be a chance somebody will find this enlightening.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby notyou2 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:49 am

Gweeedo wrote:Israeli war (Yom Kippur War); a war that began on Yom Kippur in 1973 with the attack of Israel by Egypt, Syria, and Iraq: No chance for Israel, if not for God.



Boy God sure is indecisive. He went from hating Jews in 1943 to loving Jews in 1973. 30 years is but a mere blink of an eye to God. Do you think he is really that indecisive? Can you give a different reason for his fickleness?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Gweeedo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:54 pm

notyou2 wrote:
Gweeedo wrote:Israeli war (Yom Kippur War); a war that began on Yom Kippur in 1973 with the attack of Israel by Egypt, Syria, and Iraq: No chance for Israel, if not for God.



Boy God sure is indecisive. He went from hating Jews in 1943 to loving Jews in 1973. 30 years is but a mere blink of an eye to God. Do you think he is really that indecisive? Can you give a different reason for his fickleness?


lol, He has always had a love hate relationship, they are still his Chosen people...the reason being; that all others would have them wiped from existence.
Many will try...none will succeed..Who can stand against GOD!
But hey, you got to take it out on someone..why not Gods chosen people.
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