Americans

[Koba]

Yeah, but Ricky Gervais, Mackenzie Crook, Martin Freeman were so perfect for their roles! And it launched their careers

[Blueoctober]

since when has one show decided whether america is good or not

[Koba]

since when has one show decided whether america is good or not

It doesn't, we're off topic, keep up

[Blueoctober]

i am i am trying to tell you how stupid this all is

[Koba]

This thread has been stupid for ages. I'm really not in the mood to think up real responses, so thought I'd pick up on the one I disagreed with most, and argue that.

[Blueoctober]

heres my repsonse

go kill yourselfs

thats to everyone not anyone specific

argue with that

[Titanic]

Gmen, USA does not have the best cities. London pwns NYC and any American city. You dont have the best economy, you have the strongest economy(technically, the EU has a stronger economy then USA). You dont have the best everything. I could put a list at least 50 items long of the top of my head if I wanted of things you are not the best in. Also, you dont have the best schools. Scandinavia has the best literacy rates, highest maths grades etc.. if you actually looked at a table, its just that they dont have world class instiutions, or a large pop.

[tmidgley]

since when has one show decided whether america is good or not

not since the A team...

[Blueoctober]

amen

[minihaymanz]

since when has one show decided whether america is good or not

not since the A team...

Yeah...the B team didn't get that much notice apparently...they solved problems with amazing intellect and outstanding diplomatic relations.

[HaveABanana]

If we have the technology to fire a bomb and have it go down an airshaft into an underground bunker, what's stopping us from developing technology that can launch food at hungry people?

'Hey, that guy could use a banana!'
[ShhhhhhhOOOM! Smack!]
'Mission Accomplished!'

The stealth banana!

Smart fruit!

Mwahahaha! Have A BANANA! Nothing could stop me!

[Backglass]

Hang on..are you saying that by being in Iraq, we are somehow "bettering the planet"? Please explain.

I think its fair to compare Sadam to a younger Hitler.... how much better would Europe have been if Hitler was nipped in the but sort of speak?

Why are we not invading North Korea, Venezuela or Cuba? There are/were much worse (and closer) tyrants to save the world from, if that what this is all about.

But, you and I and the rest of the world know that is NOT what it's about.

[HaveABanana]

Anyone who believes America is the best at everything is truly a product of what passes for its education system. I've seen students training to be teachers who practically give up on doing anything worthwhile simply because the system is so bad. Considering they haven't even started to work yet, that's probably not a good sign.

I don't understand how people can equate blind faith in the president with patriotism - true patriotism would be to make sure the armed forces are not dying for the personal ambitions of a greedy old man who will probably die within 30 years. What about that 19-year old kid who got blown up? What about the time he had left and the potential he had to change the world for the better? What did he really die for? A true patriot would not simply say he is a hero and died for the rest of us, though that is a semi-pleasant fantasy.

I may dislike what America is about, but I still believe there are some saving graces. At the very least, not every one of us is an ignorant buffoon. We all have the opportunity to do something with our lives. Some of us choose not to and that's completely within reason. We do have material wealth and the benefits that come along with it. Obviously it comes with its downsides in respect to character, but it's not as though we are corrupt by nature. (shouldn't you feel sorry for all the good people ruined by the system?)

Ultimately, though, is the fact that even with all our negative traits, every other country and its inhabitants has their own share of the same. I don't see Europe doing anything to resist the Americanization of the world. Could it be that the EU is looking to become another America? Watch yourselves. Sometimes your worst enemy is not the most apparent one.

[Titanic]

The EU does not want to become another America. Europe does what it can to prevent the bad effects of Pax Americana. It cant come out and face USA outright because their relationships are too strong, they have loads of similar beliefs, and because it will be very harmful to the economies. Once the EU is fully integrated and formed, it will not oppose USA as rather to keep it in check, and give the world a different option, in which case for the USA it is a case of change or demise. For the present time, the USA is not going to change until it needs to, no matter what people say.

[flashleg8]

Why are we not invading North Korea, Venezuela or Cuba? There are/were much worse (and closer) tyrants to save the world from, if that what this is all about.

What? How can you compair Castro and Chavez to Kim Jong-II? They are bringing socialist enlightenment to the oppressed peoples of Latin America - Kim Jong is just oppressing his own people.

But I agree with your general point, USA is selective in its battles for democracy (eg US backed Contras in Nicaragua).

[vic]

contra was the sickest game of all time - I miss contra.

Why are we not invading North Korea, Venezuela or Cuba? There are/were much worse (and closer) tyrants to save the world from, if that what this is all about.

What? How can you compair Castro and Chavez to Kim Jong-II? They are bringing socialist enlightenment to the oppressed peoples of Latin America - Kim Jong is just oppressing his own people.

But I agree with your general point, USA is selective in its battles for democracy (eg US backed Contras in Nicaragua).

[Molacole]

GFY on the toilet bowl with a toothbrush...

[Gmenwillstomp]

everyone's just jealous of the usa. The EU is just a pathetic attempt to one-up us but we don't really give a shit and niether does anyone else and I think that's what pisses off europeans the most.

And if our education system was bad, people wouldn't be flocking from around the world to come to our universities. I'm not saying there aren't a few good school in other countries, but america has by far the most.

As for whoever came up with the rant on bush that I have heard oh so many times, move out of the US if you can't stand who WE elect to be our president. I'm not a big bush fan, but I live with it, because he's my president, and here's a news flash, if you are an american citizen, he's your president too.

and chances are that soldier who died in iraq voted for bush... maybe it's because he didn't want john "us troops are idiots except for me, even though I got worse grades at yale than bush" kerry to be president

[RenegadePaddy]

Oh, and Beastly, I noticed that you havnt replied to my ripping down your infantile tirade a few pages back.

Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables..
Darwin would NOT be pleased to see how inefficiently evolution sometimes works.

I love it, you show someone step-by-step where theyve got their facts wrong, and apparently it shows low IQ



Dear God, I hope youre sterile

Still waiting Beastly.....

[Titanic]

Lmao Gmen, you really dont know much do you? The EU is a pathetic attempt? Thats why the constitution is being re-written this year and is going to be accepted by at least 15 different nations if not more. Thats why Iran agreed to talk to the EU3 rather then USA, because the EU is more rational and does not do things just to suit their foreign policy. Thats why the EU is a big player in world peackeeping, and pumps billion of dollars into developing and third world countries, and gives a lot of resources and man power to the UN peackeeping contribution. Thats why the Eurozone has its own currency, which is stronger then the dollar, and multiple countries now trade in petro-euros rather then petro-dollars. Thats why the EU has a central bank, its own flag, its own anthem, its own parliament with increasing power, its own supreme court and common foreign and security policy, its own ISO country code. Also, and most importantly, the EU pwns USA every time int he Ryder Cup!

People flock from all over the world to universities in every developed country. For example, in my home town the university has loads, and I mean loads of Chinese people. The college I attend has around 50-70 chinese kids who came here for education, and this is in a town which has a pop of around 50,000. Same story throoughout the UK. At one point, LSE (the worlds greatest university for economics) had people a larger amount of students from different countries then the amount of countries that were in the UN.

The rest of the world hates Bush. Your meant to be the "Best Country in the World", and you elect a jackass like Bush. Hes crap, hes shit, hes the worst leader in the UNSC, the G7, the G8, in the WTO, pretty much in the whole world minus dictators and Iran. Hes probably your worst ever president, and one of the biggest disasters of the last 100 years. Hes terrible, and no other country in the world would have elected him for a second term, no matter how bad his opponent was.

[Sammy gags]

Yea, I'm not sure how he got re-elected because most people i know would agree with you

[areon]

and chances are that soldier who died in iraq voted for bush... maybe it's because he didn't want john "us troops are idiots except for me, even though I got worse grades at yale than bush" kerry to be president

I guess this means nothing to you...

I would like to talk to you a little bit about what the result is of the feelings these men carry with them after coming back from Vietnam. The country doesn't know it yet, but it has created a monster, a monster in the form of millions of men who have been taught to deal and to trade in violence, and who are given the chance to die for the biggest nothing in history; men who have returned with a sense of anger and a sense of betrayal which no one has yet grasped. As a veteran and one who feels this anger, I would like to talk about it. We are angry because we feel we have been used in the worst fashion by the administration of this country.

In 1970 at West Point, Vice President Agnew said "some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits abuse" and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam.

But for us, as boys in Asia, whom the country was supposed to support, his statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep sense of revulsion. Hence the anger of some of the men who are here in Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves the best men of this country, because those he calls misfits were standing up for us in a way that nobody else in this country dated to, because so many who have died would have returned to this country to join the misfits in their efforts to ask for an immediate withdrawal from South Vietnam, because so many of those best men have returned as quadriplegics and amputees, and they lie forgotten in Veterans' Administration hospitals in this country which fly the flag which so many have chosen as their own personal symbol. And we can not consider ourselves America's best men when we are ashamed of and hated what we were called on to do in Southeast Asia.

In our opinion, and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam, nothing which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to use the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart.

We are probably much more angry than that and I don't want to go into the foreign policy aspects because I am outclassed here. I know that all of you talk about every possible alternative of getting out of Vietnam. We understand that. We know you have considered the seriousness of the aspects to the utmost level and I am not going to try to dwell on that, but I want to relate to you the feeling that many of the men who have returned to this country express because we are probably angriest about all that we were told about Vietnam and about the mystical war against communism.

If this happened in the 70's why does it ring a bell? How long until we blame and run? I'm just disgusted. Couldn't history wait a century before repeating itself?

[HaveABanana]

Personally, I think the election system could use some updating. I know some political science people that would disagree with me, but I can't help but feel that we are not getting the cream of the crop for these things. How is it that the only real competition is between two people we dislike enough that we choose based on which one is less bad? What happened to the days where a guy like Andrew Jackson could get elected. Any more, you need to have a heap of money and political support from one of the two major parties to have a chance to be considered. I get the feeling the guy getting into office is a puppet of sorts himself.

Anyway, that's my rant. And I didn't even talk about the electoral college!

[Backglass]

As for whoever came up with the rant on bush that I have heard oh so many times, move out of the US if you can't stand who WE elect to be our president. I'm not a big bush fan, but I live with it, because he's my president, and here's a news flash, if you are an american citizen, he's your president too.

That's the most UN-AMERICAN thing I have heard yet. SHAME ON YOU. Our country was founded by those who questioned their leaders. You should too.

Curious George is a grand embarrassment to our fine nation. And I proudly wave my flag while saying it!

and chances are that soldier who died in iraq voted for bush... maybe it's because he didn't want john "us troops are idiots except for me, even though I got worse grades at yale than bush" kerry to be president

Huh? Soldiers died for Bush so Kerry wouldnt be elected?!

Please step away from the whiskey bottle grandpa and go to bed.

[hendy]

You guys are seriously starting to piss me off. Why don't you get off your fucking high horses and contribute something to society for once instead of just stealing knowledge and wealth from 3rd world countries. All you're good for is hate and pron.

Seriously, f*ck off!

I never thought a stache could be so rite! Btw I think cnada is better for porn