Wisconsin State Employees & Budget Cuts

[Woodruff]

To think that people who pay a large amount of their income for their own benefits must now also pitch in so government employees have to pay far less for their benefits is disgusting. It's wealth redistribution and political payoffs at its worst.

But why doesn't that logic apply to corporation leadership?

Because corporations have earned their money. Unions require membership (in 28 states) and force those members to pay dues, regardless of their political beliefs. Unions take money from their members while corporations earn their money.

A union does not FORCE those members to pay dues. The member pays those dues because they accepted the position that was part of a union and understood that those dues were a part of the position. It may seem like a non-difference to you, but it is actually a HUGE difference.

So you believe that because a corporation has "earned their money", it's ok for them to engage in political payoffs and bribery? Your hypocricy is astounding.

[Phatscotty]

Ask people and companies in WI to pay a small tax voluntarily

Apparently, that is what the governor is advocating.

See, at the same time he is cutting unions (NOT expenses.. note the unions already agreed to the expense cuts!), he is also offering corporations a tax cut (according to several interviews I heard from the absentee legislators).

BUT, here is the real issue. Regardless of how you feel about the union deal, this action just does not belong in an emergency, stop-gap spending bill.

That he chose THIS method is "dirty politics". And THAT, I think speaks more loudly than anything else. IF he truly had a legitimate cause, then why play these tricks?

(and no, that doesn't apply to the Democrats in this case. Had they stayed, the bill would have gone through without debate or much consideration).

So sick of "what the unions said they will agree to. You don't take a unions word for it. As soon as they sign onto those cuts, then I will treat that information as a fact. Unions are worse than politicians.

Are you sure Walker "chose" this method"? Wouldn't it be different if the fleebaggers were in WI doing there job? You can only speculate it would go through.

[Juan_Bottom]

Lets have a law that anyone who says they are ok with paying more taxes will then be taxed more and everyone else can keep the money they earn. You should just write out a check and send it in with a memo saying " Gift for public employee pension" since you are so passionate about their "underpaid" positions. I promise I wont stop you. You are so giving. Almost as giving as the unions to the Democrat party.

I have no idea why you quoted her since you didn't respond to anything that she said. You just talked about whatever popped into your head...

And I'm an American, and I have no problem paying more in taxes if it helps out other Americans. I only have a problem with waste. And I'm in Illinois.

Feel free to respond to all my previous postings then too.

As I said, if you want to pay higher taxes then no one is stopping you from writtng the check right now. Just don't infringe on my taxpayer rights to call you stupid

Well obviously my point was that you were putting words into her mouth, so any cynical remarks you wanted to make didn't fit. You can't speak sarcastically about something the other person doesn't believe. It wont make sense. I wasn't debating with you.
Also, what are taxpayer rights? To live here?

[thegreekdog]

Also, what are taxpayer rights? To live here?

I can answer that! When one votes for a certain governor and certain legislators, one expects a certain result. For example, I voted for Governor Chris Christie expecting him to reduce spending and taxes. To the extent he doesn't do that because he's pressured by someone other than the majority of the people that voted for him, I will vote for someone else who will cut spending and reduce taxes.

[Phatscotty]

Also, what are taxpayer rights? To live here?

I can answer that! When one votes for a certain governor and certain legislators, one expects a certain result. For example, I voted for Governor Chris Christie expecting him to reduce spending and taxes. To the extent he doesn't do that because he's pressured by someone other than the majority of the people that voted for him, I will vote for someone else who will cut spending and reduce taxes.

taxpayer right #1 No taxation without representation. If a majority of taxpayers are unhappy about where their tax dollars are being spent, they have the right to elect someone who says they will no longer spend money/less money in that area.

[Symmetry]

Also, what are taxpayer rights? To live here?

I can answer that! When one votes for a certain governor and certain legislators, one expects a certain result. For example, I voted for Governor Chris Christie expecting him to reduce spending and taxes. To the extent he doesn't do that because he's pressured by someone other than the majority of the people that voted for him, I will vote for someone else who will cut spending and reduce taxes.

taxpayer right #1 No taxation without representation. If a majority of taxpayers are unhappy about where their tax dollars are being spent, they have the right to elect someone who says they will no longer spend money/less money in that area.

I pay sales tax on things I buy in the US. What representation should I get in terms of US government?

[Phatscotty]

Also, what are taxpayer rights? To live here?

I can answer that! When one votes for a certain governor and certain legislators, one expects a certain result. For example, I voted for Governor Chris Christie expecting him to reduce spending and taxes. To the extent he doesn't do that because he's pressured by someone other than the majority of the people that voted for him, I will vote for someone else who will cut spending and reduce taxes.

taxpayer right #1 No taxation without representation. If a majority of taxpayers are unhappy about where their tax dollars are being spent, they have the right to elect someone who says they will no longer spend money/less money in that area.

I pay sales tax on things I buy in the US. What representation should I get in terms of US government?

I dont know about foreigners tax payer rights...

[Symmetry]

Also, what are taxpayer rights? To live here?

I can answer that! When one votes for a certain governor and certain legislators, one expects a certain result. For example, I voted for Governor Chris Christie expecting him to reduce spending and taxes. To the extent he doesn't do that because he's pressured by someone other than the majority of the people that voted for him, I will vote for someone else who will cut spending and reduce taxes.

taxpayer right #1 No taxation without representation. If a majority of taxpayers are unhappy about where their tax dollars are being spent, they have the right to elect someone who says they will no longer spend money/less money in that area.

I pay sales tax on things I buy in the US. What representation should I get in terms of US government?

I dont know about foreigners tax payer rights...

We pay tax in the US on sales. We're not allowed to reclaim that tax, as you would be able to in the UK. Can I get my representation now as the number one right of a taxpayer? I think I should get a senator at least. I pick Sarah Palin, just so I can have more stuff to write about.

[Symmetry]

Actually, sorry, scratch that- Charlie Sheen.

[thegreekdog]

Also, what are taxpayer rights? To live here?

I can answer that! When one votes for a certain governor and certain legislators, one expects a certain result. For example, I voted for Governor Chris Christie expecting him to reduce spending and taxes. To the extent he doesn't do that because he's pressured by someone other than the majority of the people that voted for him, I will vote for someone else who will cut spending and reduce taxes.

taxpayer right #1 No taxation without representation. If a majority of taxpayers are unhappy about where their tax dollars are being spent, they have the right to elect someone who says they will no longer spend money/less money in that area.

I pay sales tax on things I buy in the US. What representation should I get in terms of US government?

I pay VAT on stuff I buy from Europe. What representation should I get in terms of European governments?

[Symmetry]

Also, what are taxpayer rights? To live here?

I can answer that! When one votes for a certain governor and certain legislators, one expects a certain result. For example, I voted for Governor Chris Christie expecting him to reduce spending and taxes. To the extent he doesn't do that because he's pressured by someone other than the majority of the people that voted for him, I will vote for someone else who will cut spending and reduce taxes.

taxpayer right #1 No taxation without representation. If a majority of taxpayers are unhappy about where their tax dollars are being spent, they have the right to elect someone who says they will no longer spend money/less money in that area.

I pay sales tax on things I buy in the US. What representation should I get in terms of US government?

I pay VAT on stuff I buy from Europe. What representation should I get in terms of European governments?

You shouldn't, you should keep your receipts and claim it all back when you leave.

[Phatscotty]

I can answer that! When one votes for a certain governor and certain legislators, one expects a certain result. For example, I voted for Governor Chris Christie expecting him to reduce spending and taxes. To the extent he doesn't do that because he's pressured by someone other than the majority of the people that voted for him, I will vote for someone else who will cut spending and reduce taxes.

taxpayer right #1 No taxation without representation. If a majority of taxpayers are unhappy about where their tax dollars are being spent, they have the right to elect someone who says they will no longer spend money/less money in that area.

I pay sales tax on things I buy in the US. What representation should I get in terms of US government?

I dont know about foreigners tax payer rights...

We pay tax in the US on sales. We're not allowed to reclaim that tax, as you would be able to in the UK. Can I get my representation now as the number one right of a taxpayer? I think I should get a senator at least. I pick Sarah Palin, just so I can have more stuff to write about.

Sorry, American government does not represent anyone but American citizens. Better luck next time.

The tax you pay is the cost of doing business with Uncle Sam.

Does it piss you off that illegal immigrants make a living here and use all our resrouces for free and pay less taxes than you do?

[Symmetry]

taxpayer right #1 No taxation without representation. If a majority of taxpayers are unhappy about where their tax dollars are being spent, they have the right to elect someone who says they will no longer spend money/less money in that area.

I pay sales tax on things I buy in the US. What representation should I get in terms of US government?

I dont know about foreigners tax payer rights...

We pay tax in the US on sales. We're not allowed to reclaim that tax, as you would be able to in the UK. Can I get my representation now as the number one right of a taxpayer? I think I should get a senator at least. I pick Sarah Palin, just so I can have more stuff to write about.

Sorry, American government does not represent anyone but American citizens. Better luck next time.

The tax you pay is the cost of doing business with Uncle Sam.

Does it piss you off that illegal immigrants make a living here and use all our resrouces for free and pay less taxes than you do?

Just to confirm that- taxation without representation? You're for it now?

[Phatscotty]

you have to allow me to pre-suppose citizenship.

[Symmetry]

you have to allow me to pre-suppose citizenship.

Lame- how about people too young to vote? Or prisoners? I want my representation. I pay taxes, and I don't see why you want to deny me my liberty. It's absolutely the number one right of a tax payer, and I pay taxes in the US.

Why do you hate freedom?

[Phatscotty]

you have to allow me to pre-suppose citizenship.

Lame- how about people too young to vote? Or prisoners? I want my representation. I pay taxes, and I don't see why you want to deny me my liberty. It's absolutely the number one right of a tax payer, and I pay taxes in the US.

Why do you hate freedom?

[Phatscotty]

The news roun hea is that the people of Hudson Wisconsin (border town 10 minute from Saint Paul) are calling for Hudson teachers to be fired. A lot of teachers in Hudson went to Madison that first Friday of the protests and the parents of the children are furious. There was a huge meeting last night, and it wasn't pretty.

'Unusually High Teacher Absences' Closes Hudson Schools
KSTP ^ | 2/18/2011 | KSTP

Posted on Friday, February 18, 2011 7:40:48 AM by LiveFreeOrDie2001

Officials with the Hudson School District have decided to cancel classes Friday because of what they call 'the unusually high teacher absences."

District officials also cited a lack of qualified substitutes.

The state's largest school district has joined those that have canceled classes due to teacher shortages caused by union protests at the state Capitol.

Officials say more than 600 of the 5,400 teachers in Milwaukee Public Schools called in sick Friday to attend the protests over Gov. Scott Walker's budget repair bill. The district has more than 82,000 students at 184 schools.

Schools in Madison, Janesville, Wisconsin Dells and other districts around Wisconsin are also closed.

[Woodruff]

Unions are worse than politicians.

You really HAVE gone off the deep end.

[Woodruff]

We pay tax in the US on sales. We're not allowed to reclaim that tax, as you would be able to in the UK. Can I get my representation now as the number one right of a taxpayer? I think I should get a senator at least. I pick Sarah Palin, just so I can have more stuff to write about.

Sorry, American government does not represent anyone but American citizens. Better luck next time.
The tax you pay is the cost of doing business with Uncle Sam.
Does it piss you off that illegal immigrants make a living here and use all our resrouces for free and pay less taxes than you do?

Illegal immigrants don't pay sales tax?

[Iliad]

Nice to see them getting high and getting drunk and shitting on the floor like animals. Plenty of violence and tons of arrests.

What a complete and utter lack of civility.

I am disgusted.

And Obama is going to say don't villify and denigrate the protesters????? WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW (yeah if this was the Tea Party ) If he doesn't want people to villify the protesters then perhaps he should tell people not to look or pay attention to the protesters, because they are showing the whole world baby!!!!

wait, maybe that's why the protesters assaulted a Fox reporter on the air and cut his camera wire...

"get a little bloody" Union Violence and Racism. raw, graphic

You know whats going through my head right now? All the demands from the left that I condemn what someone in another state wrote on a sign/their speech. Anyone on the left have the honor to condemn these actions?

How about this terrible footage of tropical wisconsin shown on Fox News?
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/03/fox-news ... d-streets/

I know, I know honest mistake. Interesting how often these honest mistakes happen and how they often paint a picture that's better for one political side.

[PopeBenXVI]

It's alright Phatscotty, it really does not matter what you say to them. They are all just so pissed that conservatives won many elections and are trying to deliver in what is supposed to be a representative republic. All their liberal hope and dream comments they were making after our immigrant president was elected are vanishing right before their eyes. They can't stand that Walker is wildly popular in such a short time. They would rather stand behind the Dem senator threatening the conservative woman with "Your F...ing Dead!" Thats what they believe as civil behavior when you lose an election and have no other recourse. At least, I have not heard any of them denounce any of their friends uncivil behavior so I can only conclude they agree with defecation in Capitol buildings and the sort.

[Phatscotty]

I am just as eager to hear their side as I am tell talk about mine. I hear you about the talking points, but some of them actually challenge me, AND I LIKE IT!!!

[Woodruff]

It's alright Phatscotty, it really does not matter what you say to them. They are all just so pissed that conservatives won many elections and are trying to deliver in what is supposed to be a representative republic. All their liberal hope and dream comments they were making after our immigrant president was elected are vanishing right before their eyes.

What? Only the truly stupid look at these situations through such partisan eyewash. Why do you want to be stupid?

[Phatscotty]

[PLAYER57832]

Does it piss you off that illegal immigrants make a living here and use all our resrouces for free and pay less taxes than you do?

In fact, illegal immigrants generally do pay both income and social security taxes from their paychecks (that's why they need the false papers). They just will never recoup it.