Who take vaccine?

[jusplay4fun]

You again try to draw WRONG conclusions, saxi. You do not apparently understand neither Logic not Biology, as I have said in numerous posts.

Vaccines do not cause mutations of Viruses. How else do you explain the mutation of the common cold virus, another virus.

Let me try ONE MORE TIME:

COVID-19
Coronavirus is an entire family of viruses, which like the flu, mainly spreads through respiratory droplets. Four of these viruses are similar to the common cold in terms of symptoms and severity. The novel coronavirus, or SARS-CoV-2, is a potentially deadly virus that can lead to COVID-19.

IF, as you allege, vaccines CAUSE virus mutation, explain the mutation of the common cold viruses. If vaccines cause mutation, what caused the flu mutations BEFORE the vaccines were developed? You are AGAIN wrong, saxi, as VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE VIRUS MUTATIONS. X DOES NOT EQUAL C. I suggest that you read a high school Biology text, or find and read the comic book version.

[jusplay4fun]

I have to laugh at this post..! LoL

I conclude that saxi got this photo since he is in the middle under the burqa, the tall one.

Well Done, saxi, a good photo of you and a good laugh, too.

My conclusions are at least as good as saxi's.

[Doc_Brown]

VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE VIRUS MUTATIONS.

This is an accurate statement, but it deserves a caveat. If the vaccine is highly effective against the original virus (I think no one doubts this) and it is significantly less effective against a new variant (as appears to be the case with the delta and lambda variants), then vaccinated people will not spread the original virus but will preferentially spread the new variants.

[jusplay4fun]

VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE VIRUS MUTATIONS.

This is an accurate statement, but it deserves a caveat. If the vaccine is highly effective against the original virus (I think no one doubts this) and it is significantly less effective against a new variant (as appears to be the case with the delta and lambda variants), then vaccinated people will not spread the original virus but will preferentially spread the new variants.

After JUS some cursory thought, Doc_B, that sounds correct. There are fewer viruses of the first 3 still around to spread.

The vast majority of new cases of COVID are of the delta variant, from what I have read.

BUT, my point still stands, that, CONTRARY to the lies and misinformation perpetuated by saxi, the VACCINE itself does NOT CAUSE the VIRUS TO MUTATE. The virus mutate with or without the presence of the vaccine. As the vaccine does what it is supposed to do, it will curtail the spread of the virus. As far as I know, the virus is now spread MOSTLY by
1) unvaccinated and by 2) asymptomatic persons who have been vaccinated. There are a few cases of "breakthrough" COVID among those vaccinated, and many of those are among health workers who are constantly around COVID and other diseases, making them more likely to get a "breakthrough" case of COVID.

This new round of infections is occurring mostly among the unvaccinated, like saxi and his PALS.

The delta variant is putting America’s hospitals back in crisis mode
Today at 6:30 a.m. EDT

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/18/covid-hospitals-delta/

With only about half of the U.S. population fully vaccinated against the novel coronavirus, hospitals across the country are straining to respond to a deadly fourth surge of infections driven by the delta variant.

Doctors say the nationwide outbreak overwhelming hospitals could have been avoided had more people been immunized. In the week ending Tuesday, 46 of the 50 states experienced double-digit growth in covid-19 hospitalizations, according to an analysis by The Washington Post. Eight states, including California and New York, which for most of the summer had not seen many serious cases, added more than 400 new inpatients in that time.

“It’s absolutely due to delta; it’s absolutely due to unvaccinated people,” said David Wohl, a specialist in infectious diseases at the University of North Carolina. “There is an incredible increase in hospitalizations across the spectrum, from just needing oxygen and some care to needing serious interventions to keep people alive. If everyone was vaccinated, our hospitals would not be anywhere near where we are,” Wohl said.

The numbers paint a grim picture. For the week ending Aug. 15, the country reported 911,529 new infections, with an average of more than 130,000 cases a day, according to tracking by The Post.

The last time the weekly infection count was that high was the week ending Jan. 31, when the country logged 1,032,785 new infections, Post data shows.

At the time, vaccines were available only to vulnerable segments of the population.

Wohl, the infectious-disease specialist at UNC, said that medical professionals are accustomed to treating people who have made bad decisions such as smoking, using drugs or driving dangerously. What is new this time, he said, is that they are treating people whose decision to forgo vaccination is, in many instances, based on misinformation and political manipulation.

I was talking to my brother today. He said that at his large firm that an early retirement incentive was offered to some employees. One woman, age 61, and her husband, about the same age, died within days of each other and a few days after she retired early. Their death was caused by COVID and BOTH died of COVID. Within a few hours, a nurse with whom I have worked for several years asked: How do people get such misinformation and refuse to get vaccinated? These same people, who claim to have voted for Trump, (and some are her relatives) claimed incorrectly that Trump was not vaccinated. SO therefore THEY should not get vaccinated.

Trump urges all Americans to get COVID vaccine: 'It's a safe vaccine' and it 'works'
The former president and first lady Melania Trump received their vaccines privately in January at the White House

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-urges-all-americans-to-get-covid-vaccine-its-a-safe-vaccine

THANKS, saxi.......for spreading misinformation about the COVID Vaccines.

[jay_a2j]

As the vaccine does what it is supposed to do

Why is anyone still listening to this guy? Vaccines are SUPPOSED to prevent infections. The covid vax DOES NOT DO THIS.

If you got a smallpox vaccine and later GOT SMALLPOX you are a fool to get "a booster".

[jusplay4fun]

As the vaccine does what it is supposed to do

Why is anyone still listening to this guy? Vaccines are SUPPOSED to prevent infections. The covid vax DOES NOT DO THIS.

If you got a smallpox vaccine and later GOT SMALLPOX you are a fool to get "a booster".

And why would ANYONE listen to you? You offer a wild conjecture and offer NO PROOF.

Try to learn Science and listen to those who know a lot more about Medicine than you and I COMBINED.

a vaccine is:

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

What You Need to Know
Research shows that all COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the United States provide protection against COVID-19.
Vaccine effectiveness studies provide a growing body of evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines offer similar protection in real-world conditions as they have in clinical trial settings, reducing the risk of COVID-19, including severe illness, among people who are fully vaccinated by 90 percent or more.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/work.html

and one more, JUS 4 the FUN of it:

CONCLUSIONS
Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the delta variant as compared with the alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses. Absolute differences in vaccine effectiveness were more marked after the receipt of the first dose. This finding would support efforts to maximize vaccine uptake with two doses among vulnerable populations. (Funded by Public Health England.)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

And note the rather poor example jay_a2j chooses to TRY to illustrate his point:

Thousands of years ago, variola virus (smallpox virus) emerged and began causing illness and deaths in human populations, with smallpox outbreaks occurring from time to time. Thanks to the success of vaccination, the last natural outbreak of smallpox in the United States occurred in 1949. In 1980, the World Health Assembly declared smallpox eradicated (eliminated), and no cases of naturally occurring smallpox have happened since.

Smallpox research in the United States continues and focuses on the development of vaccines, drugs, and diagnostic tests to protect people against smallpox in the event that it is used as an agent of bioterrorism.

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/index.html

[Dukasaur]

As the vaccine does what it is supposed to do

Why is anyone still listening to this guy? Vaccines are SUPPOSED to prevent infections. The covid vax DOES NOT DO THIS.

Actually, it does. Even a single dose cuts your risk by 60-80%, and the full double dose cuts your risk by 80-90%.

Here in Ontario, for instance, of 408,551 cases this year, 17,256 were among partially vaccinated people and 12,189 were among fully vaccinated people. The remaining 379,106 or 93% were among the unvaccinated. (source) That's a vast risk reduction. Not only does it vastly reduce your chances of getting the illness, but if you do get it, it will vastly improve your chances of having a mild case rather than a severe case. Currently 91% of those hospitalized and 93% of those in ICU were unvaccinated.

I'm using our Ontario numbers because I'm most familiar with those, but similar numbers are reported from every country where a large percentage of the population is vaccinated.

If you got a smallpox vaccine and later GOT SMALLPOX you are a fool to get "a booster".

Smallpox is a stable, slowly mutating virus where a single dose is sufficient to give lifetime immunity. Most viruses mutate a lot faster, and re-immunization is needed.

Some other diseases for which booster shots are needed are mumps, measles, shingles, hepatitis, tetanus, varicella and diptheria.

The covid vaccines with effectiveness somewhere in the 90% range compares quite well to something like the flu vaccine, with effectiveness ranging from 60 to 80%, depending on which strains are around in a particular year.

Covid is a coronavirus very similar to SARS. The SARS vaccine was never brought to market because the epidemic petered out on its own, but tests show that people who had SARS were immune for roughly 2 years. Too soon to know for sure with covid, since it's been with us less than 2 years, but it's reasonable to assume that immunity (whether from vaccination or from having the disease itself) will probably also last an average of two years.

[2dimes]

In January I was not actively seeking vaccination. In fact I was leaning away from wanting it.

By May, partially because of rumors and the fact Mrs dimes a woman who would never harm a bunny, cared enough to actually read much more publicly available information than I cared to. I felt Moderna and Pfizer seemed to provide a reasonable amount of benifit and a reasonably low enough risk. I would in fact be comfortable taking either of them. We got Pfizer, so far I can still get a boner.

As a person who does not fear processed food and air pollution, I certainly don't fear either of those brands currently. Having wrote that, while I doubt any of that stuff is as good for you as a bottle of soda or a nice piece of chocolate cake. Something such as an allergy notwithstanding, it's not going to harm anyone in moderation.

Initially I was not hearing about Covid consisting of several strains, though I have at some point been made aware that it was a renamed variation of SARS.

As I have mentioned. We did end up doing our part in trying to slow the natural progression of H1-N1 back during that panic via inoculation. Even though that strain did not seem to spread to as much of Canada as the current thing, which is being reported as transmitting better to nearly everywhere. Even with better prevention measures, more people actually washing/sanitizing their hands, staying home and wearing face coverings.

In even less time I also decided Astro Zenica and even more so Johnson and Johnson had proven to be far too risky and may not be as effective for reducing the likelihood of getting the virus. I am particularly disappointed with J&J as they are a brand I used to trust for talcum powder.

Plenty of the general public including my brother in law the medical doctor has trusted those two brands. In his case enough to have his wife take one.

As I wrote on page one of this thing. Four different formulas being basically in the testing stage seems fishy. I think there is at least one other that has been coasting along that I have not heard much about.

[KoolBak]

I can say with 100% accuracy that NO ONE wants to hear about your fucking hoser boner, ya dork!!

[2dimes]

Listen, one day there might be a lady who takes a passing interest.

Secondly, ED has been a significant threat tossed around by some anti-vaxxers in this thread.

While I don't want one several times every day like I used to. I don't mind still being able to get them.

[HitRed]

When everyone has had their 7th booster let me know

[jay_a2j]

a vaccine is:

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

The covid vax DOES NOT do what PAST vaccines did!


STOP believing everything they spew out! For every Doctor you can produce saying GET THE JAB, I can find 5 that say DON'T GET THE JAB!

[DirtyDishSoap]

In January I was not actively seeking vaccination. In fact I was leaning away from wanting it.

By May, partially because of rumors and the fact Mrs dimes a woman who would never harm a bunny, cared enough to actually read much more publicly available information than I cared to. I felt Moderna and Pfizer seemed to provide a reasonable amount of benifit and a reasonably low enough risk. I would in fact be comfortable taking either of them. We got Pfizer, so far I can still get a boner.

Blah blah blah blah.

I'm sold. Long as my floppy jalopie can maintain the game, I'm goochie.

[saxitoxin]

In January I was not actively seeking vaccination. In fact I was leaning away from wanting it.

By May, partially because of rumors and the fact Mrs dimes a woman who would never harm a bunny, cared enough to actually read much more publicly available information than I cared to. I felt Moderna and Pfizer seemed to provide a reasonable amount of benifit and a reasonably low enough risk. I would in fact be comfortable taking either of them. We got Pfizer, so far I can still get a boner.

Blah blah blah blah.

I'm sold. Long as my floppy jalopie can maintain the game, I'm goochie.

You may end up infertile, though. Or extremely fertile. Whichever is worse.

[saxitoxin]

You again try to draw WRONG conclusions, saxi. You do not apparently understand neither Logic not Biology, as I have said in numerous posts.

Vaccines do not cause mutations of Viruses. How else do you explain the mutation of the common cold virus, another virus.

Let me try ONE MORE TIME:

COVID-19
Coronavirus is an entire family of viruses, which like the flu, mainly spreads through respiratory droplets. Four of these viruses are similar to the common cold in terms of symptoms and severity. The novel coronavirus, or SARS-CoV-2, is a potentially deadly virus that can lead to COVID-19.

IF, as you allege, vaccines CAUSE virus mutation, explain the mutation of the common cold viruses. If vaccines cause mutation, what caused the flu mutations BEFORE the vaccines were developed? You are AGAIN wrong, saxi, as VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE VIRUS MUTATIONS. X DOES NOT EQUAL C. I suggest that you read a high school Biology text, or find and read the comic book version.

Literally all I did was post a JPG without comment!

[DirtyDishSoap]

In January I was not actively seeking vaccination. In fact I was leaning away from wanting it.

By May, partially because of rumors and the fact Mrs dimes a woman who would never harm a bunny, cared enough to actually read much more publicly available information than I cared to. I felt Moderna and Pfizer seemed to provide a reasonable amount of benifit and a reasonably low enough risk. I would in fact be comfortable taking either of them. We got Pfizer, so far I can still get a boner.

Blah blah blah blah.

I'm sold. Long as my floppy jalopie can maintain the game, I'm goochie.

You may end up infertile, though. Or extremely fertile. Whichever is worse.

Worst for you or for me?

[saxitoxin]

In January I was not actively seeking vaccination. In fact I was leaning away from wanting it.

By May, partially because of rumors and the fact Mrs dimes a woman who would never harm a bunny, cared enough to actually read much more publicly available information than I cared to. I felt Moderna and Pfizer seemed to provide a reasonable amount of benifit and a reasonably low enough risk. I would in fact be comfortable taking either of them. We got Pfizer, so far I can still get a boner.

Blah blah blah blah.

I'm sold. Long as my floppy jalopie can maintain the game, I'm goochie.

You may end up infertile, though. Or extremely fertile. Whichever is worse.

Worst for you or for me?

Depends on if you wanna fork over a stack to mrswdk for child support

[DirtyDishSoap]

So she can put them into a sweat shop? Hell no.
I'm just giving the Earth the best gift i can. More of me.

31 of me, one for each year I've been alive.
Half of them will be your responsibility though.

[saxitoxin]

So she can put them into a sweat shop? Hell no.
I'm just giving the Earth the best gift i can. More of me.

31 of me, one for each year I've been alive.
Half of them will be your responsibility though.

i ain't your cuckold, brah!

[DirtyDishSoap]

YOU ARE NOW, PUSH-UP BRA!

[saxitoxin]

Saxi said some dangers of the Frankenvax would only emerge over time. And, as time progresses, more dangers emerge.

U.S. health officials are investigating reports that Moderna Inc's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine may be linked to a higher risk of a rare heart condition than previously thought, the Washington Post reported late on Thursday, citing people familiar with the review.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-pro ... 021-08-20/

Too late for the jabbed. But no one wants to admit they've been poisoned. Instead of accepting their sacrifice to science and seeking to save others from the poison, they react aggressively and demand others submit to the poison, too.

[jusplay4fun]

Saxi said some dangers of the Frankenvax would only emerge over time. And, as time progresses, more dangers emerge.

U.S. health officials are investigating reports that Moderna Inc's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine may be linked to a higher risk of a rare heart condition than previously thought, the Washington Post reported late on Thursday, citing people familiar with the review.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-pro ... 021-08-20/

Too late for the jabbed. But no one wants to admit they've been poisoned. Instead of accepting their sacrifice to science and seeking to save others from the poison, they react aggressively and demand others submit to the poison, too.

NO wonder saxi did not take the COVID vaccine; he was waiting for such DIRE DRASTIC news about how dangerous it is. IT does not really matter as he already suffers from ED.

The investigation that is focused on Canadian data suggests that risks of myocarditis might especially be higher for males below the age of 30 or so, according to the report.

The key words here (from saxi's source) are "may" and "might." That is Science, always looking at the Data and trying to better understand the situation. And, UNLIKE saxi, who instead starts with a conclusion and then seeks MINOR and rather INSIGNFICANT DATA THAT MAY Provide a contrary view to the OVERALL CONSENSUS. And saxi, to use your ONLY yardstick, how many have DIED from this POSSIBLE issue? NONE you say? NONE that you can cite? Really?????? You fail again, so try harder, not softer.

[jusplay4fun]

Why is Delta more infectious and deadly? New research holds answers.
Studies show that Delta replicates more quickly and generates more virus particles than other variants, but vaccines still protect against serious infections.

PUBLISHED AUGUST 6, 2021
• 13 MIN READ

As the United States battles a fourth surge of COVID-19, scientists are learning much about the Delta variant that wasn’t known when it was first reported in India in March: it is one of the most infectious respiratory viruses known, it causes more severe COVID-19 than other variants, and it is more likely to evade antibodies.

Evidence of all these traits is clear. The Delta variant has caused a sharp rise in COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths across the U.S. and the rest of the world. Driven by relaxed social distancing and mask guidelines, poor vaccine uptake in parts of the U.S., and lack of availability elsewhere, Delta has rapidly become the dominant variant in the U.S., causing more than 93 percent of new infections, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It has also spread to more than 135 countries, according to the World Health Organization.

The secret to Delta’s success is the ease with which it spreads. The CDC estimates that Delta can be as infectious as chicken pox and is only slightly less contagious than measles, which is considered one of the most transmissible viruses. Now the Delta variant is spreading like wildfire through the South, particularly in Louisiana, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country; only 37 percent of the population is fully vaccinated compared to 50 percent nationally. In the U.S., daily cases are now averaging 100,000, a nine-fold jump from mid-June.

“It's surprising the extent of how infectious this particular variant is, and how well it can then replicate in the upper respiratory tract. Just the increased infectivity of this Delta variant has sort of increased our concern relative to what was there for the Alpha variant, which was increased relative to the original virus,” says Mehul Suthar, a virologist at Emory University.

Because the Delta variant is so much more contagious than previous variants, CDC issued new guidelines on July 27, 2021, which recommend that even after vaccination, people should “wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission.”

SKIP to......

Breakthrough infections and boosters

The good news is that a complete dose of the currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines remains effective. “All the vaccines work pretty well," said Jeff Kwong, an infectious diseases epidemiologist at the University of Toronto. "And the vaccines were more protective against the severe outcomes compared to symptomatic infection,” Kwong has shown in a study, not yet peer reviewed, the effectiveness of Pfizer, Moderna, and AstraZeneca vaccines against symptomatic infection, hospitalization, or death between December 2020 and May 2021.

Many studies have shown that Moderna and Pfizer vaccines still protect against Delta, though not as well as against previous variants. Unvaccinated people make up more than 90 percent of confirmed new cases among the states that track case data along with vaccination status.

“[Vaccines] do reduce the risk of serious outcome such as hospitalization quite substantively,” says Aziz Sheikh, a primary care specialist at The University of Edinburgh, Scotland, UK who showed that Delta caused twice as many hospitalizations than the Alpha variant, which caused more severe illness than the original SARS-CoV-2. “Overall, they are working.”

The CDC estimates that COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection by eight-fold and the risk of getting ill, being hospitalized, or dying by 25-fold.

from NatGeo

[saxitoxin]

The CDC estimates that

Question - is this the same CDC that NPR discovered was spreading misinformation about the transmissibility of Delta? A yes or no response should suffice.

(Hint: the answer is yes, it's the same CDC.)

[saxitoxin]

In Sydney today, the weekslong rebellion continued as Anti-Death Jab protesters battled police, on several occasions defeating police cavalry and pushing the jackboots back. The premier of New South Wales was reportedly evacuated due to concerns the freedom protesters might overthrow the government. Police, for the first time, had to resort to rubber bullets in a desperate attempt to control the throngs.

The world is burning to the ground!