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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby Nobunaga on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:29 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:We have one more chance to stop this, in November.


I won't be holding my breath.

C'mon Phatty, join me in the awakening here. We tried, man, we tried. But the nation is falling apart in spite of it. Join the wave, man. Sign up for all the free stuff you can get and milk the system for all you can. This is America, man - the new America. Screw the founders, the constitution, personal responsibility and all that shite. Just too damned much work.


Giving up without a fight?

Not me

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No, seriously, there's all kinds of free stuff you can just take, man! Cell phones and minutes... and not one red cent out of pocket. (Though those commercials are racist - like they couldn't find a white guy anywhere to talk into a phone for the shot).

Grab as much as you can before the whole thing collapses.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:48 pm

Nobunaga wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:We have one more chance to stop this, in November.


I won't be holding my breath.

C'mon Phatty, join me in the awakening here. We tried, man, we tried. But the nation is falling apart in spite of it. Join the wave, man. Sign up for all the free stuff you can get and milk the system for all you can. This is America, man - the new America. Screw the founders, the constitution, personal responsibility and all that shite. Just too damned much work.


Giving up without a fight?

Not me

:twisted:




No, seriously, there's all kinds of free stuff you can just take, man! Cell phones and minutes... and not one red cent out of pocket. (Though those commercials are racist - like they couldn't find a white guy anywhere to talk into a phone for the shot).

Grab as much as you can before the whole thing collapses.


amen,

i want to work under the poverty level and get all kinds of free shit.
this means i'll have more time off to do the things i like doing.

like fishing for one.
and riding a bike. something i don't get to do because i'm too busy working.
if i fall off of it, then i get fixed for free.
i can get free a/c, and like you said a cell phone.
i'll use all the money that i've earned under the poverty level to buy beer and fireworks.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:57 pm

GreecePwns wrote:Of course you can, but that is not nearly the same situation. Donald Trump feels less hurt losing $1 million dollars than the person in your example, because Trump has much more than $1 million and wouldn't be losing a big percentage of his money, while the other person would lose literally everything.

And before this becomes a flat tax proponent argument, taking $500,000 from a person with $1 million to his name affects said person less than if you were to take $1 from a person that has $2 to his name.


if a person has nothing, that means they never earned anything. do you really think giving them a million bucks is going to make them do smart things with that money? an xbox, an escalade and nike shoes aren't going to help a poor person stay unpoor.

i'm reminded of mike tyson... and all the other loser "once upon a time millionaires"

where if you were to give donald trump a million dollars he would turn it into more. such as he has done with his first few earned dollars.

and if you take 1 dollar from a person that has 2 dollars.. well. there's really no change there.
you basically just stole a cheeseburger from him.

and if you take 500,000 dollars from a person that has a million. well, you took half his life savings. how long did it take him to earn that million versus that vagabond that sat on the street corner for 5 minutes.

so i dont' think that really works there.

i can make 2 dollars by selling a pine cone if i put a catchy theme to it.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby Woodruff on Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:10 am

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:We have one more chance to stop this, in November.


I won't be holding my breath.

C'mon Phatty, join me in the awakening here. We tried, man, we tried. But the nation is falling apart in spite of it. Join the wave, man. Sign up for all the free stuff you can get and milk the system for all you can. This is America, man - the new America. Screw the founders, the constitution, personal responsibility and all that shite. Just too damned much work.


Giving up without a fight?

Not me

:twisted:




No, seriously, there's all kinds of free stuff you can just take, man! Cell phones and minutes... and not one red cent out of pocket. (Though those commercials are racist - like they couldn't find a white guy anywhere to talk into a phone for the shot).

Grab as much as you can before the whole thing collapses.


amen,

i want to work under the poverty level and get all kinds of free shit.
this means i'll have more time off to do the things i like doing.


Yeah, because that life is just freaking wonderful, let me tell you. I know...I did it in the military for many years. You guys really have no idea at all.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby GreecePwns on Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:22 am

So Mike Tyson has nothing now, which means he earned nothing in his boxing career? You just blew up your own theory right there.

BBS, of course, I'm assuming the people value their money similarly and follow some sort of hierarchy of needs (survive first, then buy a mansion). If the guy with two dollars values survival and his wealth as nothing, then of course things change. We're talking about Donald Trump and the average economic actor, however.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:32 am

GreecePwns wrote:So Mike Tyson has nothing now, which means he earned nothing in his boxing career? You just blew up your own theory right there.

BBS, of course, I'm assuming the people value their money similarly and follow some sort of hierarchy of needs (survive first, then buy a mansion). If the guy with two dollars values survival and his wealth as nothing, then of course things change. We're talking about Donald Trump and the average economic actor, however.


You're believing in a very dangerous assumption. People simply don't value their money similarly, nor do they follow the extreme example in your hierarchy of needs example. There's plenty of people who live in a small house, eat meagerly, yet pay bills for a $60,000 car. There's plenty of people who earn $1 million and choose not to invest their money wisely.

For example,

And before this becomes a flat tax proponent argument, taking $500,000 from a person with $1 million to his name affects said person less than if you were to take $1 from a person that has $2 to his name.


It depends. If you take $500,000 from that person, then most likely his current means of living would have to be adjust--but to what degree? We don't know. And how would taking half of his income affect him? We still don't know. The shift could be totally devastating, the feeling of being robbed has unknown effects, etc.

The same applies with the guy with $2. He could some guy living on the streets, and he has his $2 for, let's assume, a 40oz of Olde English at $1.69. With the $1 taken from him, how do you think he would react? And then, how do you compare that reaction to the richer guy? We truly don't know.


Anyway, what's your main point?
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:38 am

If Trumps money isn't secure, then nobody's money is secure, including the people who get Trump's money.

There is always someone who will need it more. The most fair and equal way to go about money and wealth is to make sure nobody's opportunity is prevented, and everyone's earning are protected equally and not discriminated against.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:00 am

GreecePwns wrote:So Mike Tyson has nothing now, which means he earned nothing in his boxing career? You just blew up your own theory right there.

BBS, of course, I'm assuming the people value their money similarly and follow some sort of hierarchy of needs (survive first, then buy a mansion). If the guy with two dollars values survival and his wealth as nothing, then of course things change. We're talking about Donald Trump and the average economic actor, however.


if you think mike tyson earned the money that he received in his lifetime, then me and you have different viewpoints on what it is to really earn something.

in my opinion, mike tyson was given millions of dollars and squandered it on useless material items, and "friends" that are no longer his friends.

if you disagree with this, there's nothing more i have to say. you are an enabler and the people you are helping will always need your help. so get used to it.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:26 am

Woodruff wrote:
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:We have one more chance to stop this, in November.


I won't be holding my breath.

C'mon Phatty, join me in the awakening here. We tried, man, we tried. But the nation is falling apart in spite of it. Join the wave, man. Sign up for all the free stuff you can get and milk the system for all you can. This is America, man - the new America. Screw the founders, the constitution, personal responsibility and all that shite. Just too damned much work.


Giving up without a fight?

Not me

:twisted:





No, seriously, there's all kinds of free stuff you can just take, man! Cell phones and minutes... and not one red cent out of pocket. (Though those commercials are racist - like they couldn't find a white guy anywhere to talk into a phone for the shot).

Grab as much as you can before the whole thing collapses.


amen,

i want to work under the poverty level and get all kinds of free shit.
this means i'll have more time off to do the things i like doing.


Yeah, because that life is just freaking wonderful, let me tell you. I know...I did it in the military for many years. You guys really have no idea at all.


say what you want, but if it were so terrible there wouldn't be such a high percentage of people doing it.
i hear there are 1 in 7 americans accepting food stamps right now. personally, this sounds kind of high to me, mabye i'm off on the number. maybe it wasn't a credible source. i don't know. really don't care. in my opinion 1 percent is too many. so i'm not going to go through the trouble of looking it up. but if it were only 1 percent, then that means there are about 3 million people taking in food stamps right now. this is a ridiculous number. to break that down that means there are 60,000 people per state accepting food stamps. so that means if you cut each state into 100 zones, there are 600 people in each zone collecting food stamps. that may not say much about texas and alaska, but what about rhode island. do you really think in your head that these people deserve/need that. who pays for this? and if you tell me that these people have no other choice, then i will have to say you are dumb to the ways of life.

if it makes you feel good to say to people "hey, i really care about my fellow americans, and wish for everyone to be treated equal, no matter what the individual circumstances". go for it. i'm happy for you. but why do you want to drag people into it that don't feel the way you do. or at least accept their stance on the whole situation. if you want to go give a perctentage of your check to all the people who are willing to accept it, by all means. i'll let you borrow my pen.

i'd rather give my whole check to a single mom who is working her ass off at two jobs, than i would give a dollar to a bum holding a cardboard sign at the red light.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:17 am

If you want to help people get food, then you should personally send them a check, or donate food, or open a food shelf, or contribute to an organization, or join an association that is aimed at helping people get food.

It should be a voluntary action that comes from the goodness of the heart. Making it a redistributionary system that is subsidized by taxpayers at the barrel of a gun and threatened with imprisonment or wage garnishments makes it easy to lose sight of the reasons why we are doing what we are doing, and it encourages and enables corruption, waste, and abuse.



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Re: Socialized Healthcare

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:32 am

comic boy wrote:
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Phatscotty wrote:you know what else, ive been watching these townhall explosions, and the media CNN namely is editing the crap out of them and distorting the whole thing. I had my "1984" moment and sat and watched in disbelief.

you know what else else? I think a good amount of people who are from countries with socialized/nationalized/gov't run healthcare, when asked how their system is there, even if it did suck, would not admit it, on camera. Not to mention you have to weigh the biased of how their feeling about America effect the answers to that question when comparing to americas system.


You do realise that you are talking about almost the entire developed world outside the US yes :D


And....how is the rest of the developed world outside the USA doing right now? Not so good

Do you realize that an awful lot of those "developed" countries are being buried under debt, and some of the exact same countries that the USA was supposed to be like are currently experiencing band-aid shortages and gauze hoarding, and some people in those "developed" countries are going from hospital to hospital looking for illegal immigrants to kick out of the hospitals and into the streets because there isn't enough room for the citizens of those countries?

Now, a good amount of people from countries with socialized/nationalized/gov't run healthcare,when asked how their system is there, are begging for help, committing suicide, and demanding conservative government.
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Night Strike on Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:12 pm

The day the Supreme Court ruled in favor of ObamaCare, a friend called me. He's an extremely dedicated, much-loved surgeon, and he was frustrated and livid in equal measure.

"I've actually had a lot of experience working in all different types of environments," he began. "I've worked in a government-run socialized medical care system, and I saw the waste and inefficiency.

"The longer people worked in that system, the less work they wanted to do, because the more you wanted to do, the more they dumped on you. So after a while you stop doing it, because they're not paying you to do more. Why should you do a difficult case, a difficult surgery that will take you hours and hours to do?

"You might start out wanting to do it, but after a while, you just run out of energy, because there's no incentive. You'd have to be a superhuman being to continue to work in that system and not be worn down by it.

"Because nobody wanted to work, it would take an hour to turn over the surgical room. In my private practice now, it takes ten minutes.

"And I saw tremendous waste: closets of stuff that never got used. Nobody cared.

"Capitalism has completely transformed my sub-specialty. When I was in training, a common procedure that I do now took 40 minutes, and people needed a month of recovery. Now it takes 10 minutes, and people can go back to work almost immediately.

"And all these improvements were driven by the financial incentive. Capitalism has had a tremendously positive effect on patient care and outcome in my specialty.

"But when I go to meetings now, I see that there's very little innovation going on. Everything's being impacted by ObamaCare, which, among other things, raises taxes on medical devices.

"You know, doctors are people, and we're being hammered on all sides here.
It's the paperwork; it's insurance; it's transitioning to electronic medical records, so the government can get their mitts into your practice. It's lawsuits; it's rising overhead and decreasing compensation; it's stress upon stress upon stress.

"And a lot of doctors are going to say, 'Forget it. I don't want to do this anymore.' Guys that are 5 or 10 years older than me are just going to give up and walk away.

"Why should I be a slave to the government? You know, it used to be that doctors would do charity work at a charity hospital. Nobody wants to do it anymore, because we're too overwhelmed.

"I work 60 to 70 hours a week, so how am I supposed to fight back against this? Most doctors don't have the time to lobby their congressman or go to Washington. If you're a doctor in the trenches, you've got a stressful job; you've got a family. You're seeing the same number of patients and making half the income you used to make. People are litigious these days, so you've got to worry about lawsuits. When are you going to find time to lobby a politician?

"And the American Medical Association threw us all under the bus, even though only 18% of doctors belong to it. These people are ivory-tower academics, and they're liberals. Most of them are in academic medicine; they get a salary with some sort of incentive bonus. They show up to work and go home. They're not in the trenches like me, figuring out how to compete with other doctors and pay for malpractice insurance and how to hire four people I need to implement the electronic medical records and two people I need to deal with insurance.

"And as a doctor, I get it handed to me both ways. My taxes are raised, and my fees are lowered.

"You know, young people today who go to medical school -- I don't know what to tell them. You couldn't pay me to go to medical school today. Some doctors are going to graduate with $500,000 in debt, and how are they going to make a living?

"You're 32 or 33 years old by the time you finish your training; you're married with little kids. You've been an apprentice for 16 years, and now you're faced with socialized medicine. That's the reality on the ground. How are you supposed to manage that?

"Fortunately, I still love what I do. But I don't know what's going to happen. I think we'll wind up with a two-tiered medical system: a private one for the rich who pay cash and a mediocre one for everyone else.

"When my dad was 91, he had a heart attack and ended up with a stent. He had two more good years after that before he died. After ObamaCare, some government employee is going to decide that he is too old for this and not 'approve' for him to have that procedure.

"It's just a feeling of helplessness. The only organizations that are fighting for doctors are the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and Docs4 Patient Care."

After he hung up, I went to the website of Docs4 Patient Care and found this statement from its president, Dr. Hal Scherz:

The Supreme Court disappointed the majority of Americans who have voiced their opposition to Obamacare, by upholding significant portions of this truly abysmal law. Their decision has left Americans now wondering what it is that the Federal Government can't compel them to do. This is perhaps the worst decision in the history of the Supreme Court and emphasizes the importance of making the correct decision for chief executive, who controls who sits on this bench.

If you want to cure the sickness that's killing America, you'll find a powerful remedy in the voting booth in November.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/a_surgeon_cuts_to_the_heart_of_the_obamacare_nightmare.html
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:46 pm

6-28-12 = Tea Party 2.0

BOOM!


It will be nice to take a break from all the work we have been doing behind the scenes, and all the stunning Tea Party upsets over the last few months, to come back out into the streets and remind people we are still growing and stronger than ever...
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Woodruff on Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:52 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It will be nice to take a break from all the work we have been doing behind the scenes, and all the stunning Tea Party upsets over the last few months, to come back out into the streets and remind people we are still growing and stronger than ever...


So it's the Tea Party that's paying you to go around talking about stopping gay marriage...No wonder you didn't want to admit it.
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:09 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:It will be nice to take a break from all the work we have been doing behind the scenes, and all the stunning Tea Party upsets over the last few months, to come back out into the streets and remind people we are still growing and stronger than ever...


So it's the Tea Party that's paying you to go around talking about stopping gay marriage...No wonder you didn't want to admit it.


we are up against a Soros boy, Marc Richie. 100% bought and paid for. The upsets I was referring to are the Republicans that we booted out.

Richie sets new marriage amendment ballot title - yesterday
St. Paul, Minn. —

Secretary of State Marc Richie abandoned the original title of the proposed gay marriage amendment that voters will see on the November ballot and replaced it with one of his own, his office announced Thursday.

The Democrat's office said the title, which will be directly above the ballot question, will read: "Limiting the Status of Marriage to Opposite Sex Couples." Republicans who backed the amendment effort wanted wording that focused on the traditional definition of marriage, "Recognition of Marriage Solely Between One Man and One Woman."

The question on the ballot will remain the same.
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:37 am

jbrettlip wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:I'm saying when does it bite us in the ass?


An excellent question!

No one really knows when the increasing deficit spending
, increasing federal government expenditures, and further hampering regulation will eventually lead to the next recession or massive social unrest.

What is certain is this: the current situation is unsustainable in the long-run.



One clarification, this bill is already paid for.



HAHHHA...most incorrect post I have ever read on the CC forums!


Ohhhh, do go on and enlighten me then. It's my understanding that if you have insurance, you have to pay for it. And for those lucky few who are going on the medicaid plan, they're being funded by a slight increase in taxes on the wealthy and gains from stocks.

Thus, the bill is paid for.
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Re: ObamaCare: Nullification

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:11 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The Supreme Court did leave the door open for individual states to nullify Obamacare. Something about states rights...

Think that would work though? The Court shot down Montana trying to essentially nullify Citizens United.

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Florida Gov. Rick Scott now says Florida will do nothing to comply with President Barack Obama's health care overhaul and will not expand its Medicaid program. The announcement is a marked changed after the governor recently said he would follow the law if it were upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.

"Florida is not going to implement Obamacare. We are not going to expand Medicaid and we're not going to implement exchanges,'' Scott's spokesman Lane Wright told The Associated Press on Saturday. Wright stressed that the governor would work to make sure the law is repealed.


http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Gov- ... 43495.html
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:08 am

I see phattscotty is up to his old tricks. First it was complaints about subsidizing private industry, but now we are back to "its socialism= its bad!!!
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:17 am

I hope Obama declares him an enemy combatant and has him sent to Guantanamo. That's what I'd do if I were the king of America.

Florida is basically America's repository of scumbag politicians. Rick Scott is the definition of a morally corrupt human being. Republicans have been stealing elections there for at least a decade, it's just that in the last decade they've stopped caring enough to hide it. Scott's latest voter purge has been shown to be 98.4% inaccurate according to election smith inc.

ElectionSmith, Inc., an organization that specializes in data collection and analysis, found that out of 2,625 names targeted by the Florida Secretary of State as non-citizens in thirteen counties, only 41 were removed from the rolls. That boils down to a 98.4% error rate on the part of the SOS.
Florida officials are quick to say that they don’t want to release the lists of potential non-citizens to the media because it isn’t their wish to “embarrass” those individuals.


They don't want to embarrass non-Americans who registered to vote somehow.
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Night Strike on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:29 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:I hope Obama declares him an enemy combatant and has him sent to Guantanamo. That's what I'd do if I were the king of America.

Florida is basically America's repository of scumbag politicians. Rick Scott is the definition of a morally corrupt human being. Republicans have been stealing elections there for at least a decade, it's just that in the last decade they've stopped caring enough to hide it. Scott's latest voter purge has been shown to be 98.4% inaccurate according to election smith inc.

ElectionSmith, Inc., an organization that specializes in data collection and analysis, found that out of 2,625 names targeted by the Florida Secretary of State as non-citizens in thirteen counties, only 41 were removed from the rolls. That boils down to a 98.4% error rate on the part of the SOS.
Florida officials are quick to say that they don’t want to release the lists of potential non-citizens to the media because it isn’t their wish to “embarrass” those individuals.


They don't want to embarrass non-Americans who registered to vote somehow.


Sounds like a misleading look at statistics to me. It's the federal administration that has been uncooperative in aiding Florida in properly identifying illegals and working to block Florida from removing them even if the feds know they are illegal. The Democratic administration and other supporters want illegals to remain on voter rolls because it's impossible to remove the vote once they (or someone in their name) cast it.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Thus, the bill is paid for.


The first 6 years of full-implementation were funded with 10 years of taxes and cuts. That's the definition of being in debt. Once it's 10 years of each, a deficit will be in place (or massive rationing will already be happening).
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:40 am

Night Strike wrote:The first 6 years of full-implementation were funded with 10 years of taxes and cuts. That's the definition of being in debt. Once it's 10 years of each, a deficit will be in place (or massive rationing will already be happening).


So taxes = debt? I don't think that you said what you thought that you were saying.
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Night Strike on Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:51 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
Night Strike wrote:The first 6 years of full-implementation were funded with 10 years of taxes and cuts. That's the definition of being in debt. Once it's 10 years of each, a deficit will be in place (or massive rationing will already be happening).


So taxes = debt? I don't think that you said what you thought that you were saying.


No. When you have to use 10 years of income to pay for 6 years of spending just be be balanced, that is the definition of being in debt. Remember, this law doesn't last for only 10 years, yet that's all that's scored before it was passed. If it ended 10 years after passage, then yes, it would be balanced. But there is no sunset clause in this legislation.
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:02 am

The taxes aren't footing the bill for the nationwide plan, they're helping cover the costs for the Medicaid plan. Medicaid is going broke, so the plan is to support anything that adds stress to it. Furthermore, the government already covers the final costs for hospitals to treat people who don't have insurance, so they will be saving a sh*t-ton of money there. They don't need taxes where they are cutting costs.

Today the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office confirmed that health care reform will deliver deficit reduction. In its analysis of new reconciliation legislation now being considered by the House of Representatives to amend the Senate-passed legislation, the CBO determined that the is bill fully paid for and will reduce the federal deficit by $130 billion over the next 10 years and $1.2 trillion over the following 10 years.

The upshot: This progressive health care reform package will deliver quality health care at lower costs to our nation, addressing concerns that the skyrocketing trajectory of our country’s health care costs over the next 20 years, if left unchecked, would result in health care spending equal to 28 percent of gross domestic product in 2030, according to the Council of Economic Advisors.


http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbof ... onprop.pdf
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Re: ObamaCare: Reactions

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:52 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:
jbrettlip wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:I'm saying when does it bite us in the ass?


An excellent question!

No one really knows when the increasing deficit spending
, increasing federal government expenditures, and further hampering regulation will eventually lead to the next recession or massive social unrest.

What is certain is this: the current situation is unsustainable in the long-run.



One clarification, this bill is already paid for.



HAHHHA...most incorrect post I have ever read on the CC forums!


Ohhhh, do go on and enlighten me then. It's my understanding that if you have insurance, you have to pay for it. And for those lucky few who are going on the medicaid plan, they're being funded by a slight increase in taxes on the wealthy and gains from stocks.

Thus, the bill is paid for.


You do know what "unfunded liabilities" mean, don't you?
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Re: Socialized HealthCare: Reactions

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:21 pm

WHAT'S NEXT! WHAT'S NEXT! WHAT'S NEXT!

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