coronavirus - The Legacy

[saxitoxin]

Italy Descends into Chaos, Government on Verge of Collapse, Bread Riots Erupt, Violent Revolution Imminent; EU Breakup No Longer "If", No Longer "When", But "How Chaotic"

Coronavirus horror: Italy descends into chaos as locals call for 'revolution' amid crisis

AS ITALY coronavirus death toll continues to climb, locals are becoming restless to the point of calling for "revolution" and organising raids of supermarkets because of food shortages.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/12 ... -shortages

[mrswdk]

Good job Europe isn't full of guns, then.

US gun industry groups are engaged in an intense attempt to persuade state and federal lawmakers that gun shops should be considered “essential” businesses during the coronavirus crisis, and therefore allowed to stay open.

According to the NSSF, gun dealers have reported an unprecedented surge in firearm sales, with lines forming outside gun stores and background checks up 300% on 16 March compared with the same day last year.

In Florida, the Miami Herald reported, background checks were up nearly 500% on last Friday alone.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... l-business

[Lootifer]

Italy Descends into Chaos, Government on Verge of Collapse, Bread Riots Erupt, Violent Revolution Imminent; EU Breakup No Longer "If", No Longer "When", But "How Chaotic"

US streaks past Germany in body count per capita; US is on brink of collapse!

Am I doing it right?

[saxitoxin]

- In the last 24 hours the U.S. (pop. 330,000,000) suffered 437 additional deaths.
- In the last 24 hours France (pop. 67,000,000) suffered 499 additional deaths.
- In the last 24 hours Spain (pop. 47,000,000) suffered 553 additional deaths.
- In the last 24 hours Netherlands (pop. 18,000,000) suffered 175 additional deaths.
- In the last 24 hours Belgium (pop. 11,000,000) suffered 193 additional deaths.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/coronav ... dates.html

At this rate, the countries in red will actually run-out of people several years before the country in blue. I know where I'd like to be during the coronacrisis!

Thank you, President Trump, for Keeping America Safe Again.

[mookiemcgee]

Italy Descends into Chaos, Government on Verge of Collapse, Bread Riots Erupt, Violent Revolution Imminent; EU Breakup No Longer "If", No Longer "When", But "How Chaotic"

US streaks past Germany in body count per capita; US is on brink of collapse!

Am I doing it right?

You gotta use your hips, and also need more cowbell.

[Dukasaur]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824560471/should-we-all-be-wearing-masks-in-public-health-experts-revisit-the-question

A few months ago, it may have seemed silly to wear a face mask during a trip to the grocery store. And in fact, the mainline public health message in the U.S. from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been that most people don't need to wear them.

But as cases of the coronavirus have skyrocketed, there's new thinking about the benefits that masks could offer in slowing the spread. The CDC says it is now reviewing its policy and may be considering a recommendation to encourage broader use.

At the moment, the CDC website says the only people who need to wear a face mask are those who are sick or are caring for someone who is sick and unable to wear a mask.

But in an interview with NPR Monday, CDC Director Robert Redfield said that the agency is taking another look at the data around mask use by the general public.

"I can tell you that the data and this issue of whether it's going to contribute [to prevention] is being aggressively reviewed as we speak," Redfield told NPR.

Other prominent public health experts have been raising this issue in recent days. Wearing a mask is "an additional layer of protection for those who have to go out," former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb told NPR in an interview. It's a step you can take — on top of washing your hands and avoiding gatherings.

In a paper outlining a road map to reopen the country, Gottlieb argues that the public should be encouraged to wear masks during this current period of social distancing, for the common good.

"Face masks will be most effective at slowing the spread of SARS-CoV-2 if they are widely used, because they may help prevent people who are asymptomatically infected from transmitting the disease unknowingly," Gottlieb wrote. Gottlieb points to South Korea and Hong Kong — two places that were shown to manage their outbreaks successfully and where face masks are used widely.

A prominent public health leader in China also argues for widespread use of masks in public. The director general of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, George Gao, told Science that the U.S. and Europe are making a "big mistake" with people not wearing masks during this pandemic. Specifically, he says, mask use helps tamp down the risk presented by people who may be infected but aren't yet showing symptoms.

If those people wear masks, "it can prevent droplets that carry the virus from escaping and infecting others," Gao told Science.

The argument for broadening the use of face masks is based on what scientists have learned about asymptomatic spread during this pandemic.

It turns out that many people who are infected with the virus have no symptoms — or only mild symptoms.

What this means is that there's no good way to know who's infected. If you're trying to be responsible when you go out in public, you may not even know that you're sick and may be inadvertently shedding the virus every time you talk with someone, such as a grocery store clerk.

[Lootifer]

I like how Saxi will only engage directly if you take his troll bait, rather than call him out on it.

You used to be cool old man

[mrswdk]

@Duk that matches what I was saying earlier in this thread

I like how Saxi will only engage directly if you take his troll bait, rather than call him out on it.

You used to be cool old man

Thats probably just because in this thread he’s trying to defend such a colossal USG f*ck up that he’s aware his case will crumble like a soggy biscuit* the second he allows someone to interrupt his flow. He’s usually a bit more engaged.

*and saxi is an expert in soggy biscuits.

[mrswdk]

In other news, Chinese medics have just landed in the UK fresh from supporting Italy and Spain in their fight against the virus. While in the UK they will continue supporting China’s European brothers and sisters by imparting their knowledge and expertise in defeating the virus:

http://www.china.org.cn/world/2020-03/2 ... 873269.htm

10,000 years of China and European friendship! China-Europe best friends marching together into the future! 习大大万岁！\(^_^)/

Meanwhile America has circled its wagons so that it can continue its self-isolated implosion in peace.

[jonesthecurl]

also take a look at recovery rates rather than deaths per million/

[jimboston]

I like how Saxi will only engage directly if you take his troll bait, rather than call him out on it.

You used to be cool old man

+1

[jimboston]

I’m surprised at how low China’s numbers are... I think there are multiple factors, but it’s hard to know which are more important/which are having a bigger influence on what we are seeing...

1) China under-reporting due to errors / undiagnosed spread... I think this is a big factor, especially early in the development of the virus. I read one report from a statistician (at MIT I think) who claimed that his math showed their total should be closer to 700K and not the 80K they claim. The report was from a reputable source and was based on the spread numbers from S. Korea.

This makes me feel good, because if true it’s likely that their is much more spread here than the authorities know and that the illness is getting way less people sick than we think. This would help explain in part why the spread has slowed in China. ecause they have achieved some level of “herd immunity”.

2) China under-reporting intentionally... this is possible and if true scary. I think some places like Russia and N. Korea are definitely doing this... but I’m hopeful this is not true in China. The only places that seems to claim this is a massive problem are anti-communist type websites.

3) China’s lockdown...if this is the main reason that spread has slowed it’s scary to me because I just don’t see the US being able to lockdown as hard as China, nor do I think we can sustain it. People just won’t accept it. (Plus it’s all illegal here anyway.)

4) Genetic Differences... There’s evidence that people with “O” type blood are less likely to get ill. Perhaps their are other genetic variations that make Asian people less likely to get ill? Total speculation here! This however would help explain why Western countries are getting hit harder than Asian countries.

5) Immunity due to exposure to other “Covid” viruses... again some speculation, but I heard some doctors speculating similar ideas. Asian countries were exposed to SARs which is related to the new Novel Corona genetically. There is speculation that exposure to other genetically similar Covid viruses may give people in that part of the world some immunity compared to people from other parts of the world.

Items 3 and 4 make this virus scary for people of European descent.

It’s all interesting from a scientific standpoint...but it’s also very scary. US numbers are getting extremely big and we haven’t plateaued yet... assuming nationally we are still at least a few weeks away from the crest...it’s not looking good. The fact that different regions are responding differently also means that it could be with us for awhile and it could be harder to control flare-ups.

[Maxleod]

I’m surprised at how low China’s numbers are...

2) China under-reporting intentionally... this is possible and if true scary. I think some places like Russia and N. Korea are definitely doing this... but I’m hopeful this is not true in China. The only places that seems to claim this is a massive problem are anti-communist type websites.

LOL Jimbo. This has been reported in every possible news media for a a few days. You're so gullible...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments ... reporting/

That's only one link, a quick search will give you a lot more.

[jimboston]

I’m surprised at how low China’s numbers are...

2) China under-reporting intentionally... this is possible and if true scary. I think some places like Russia and N. Korea are definitely doing this... but I’m hopeful this is not true in China. The only places that seems to claim this is a massive problem are anti-communist type websites.

LOL Jimbo. This has been reported in every possible news media for a a few days. You're so gullible...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments ... reporting/

That's only one link, a quick search will give you a lot more.

1) NY Post reliable source?

2) I agree it’s possible, but is it the MAIN reason the numbers are low? If you read my post I said right up front... it’s probably some combination of all of these things.

[Maxleod]

I’m surprised at how low China’s numbers are...

2) China under-reporting intentionally... this is possible and if true scary. I think some places like Russia and N. Korea are definitely doing this... but I’m hopeful this is not true in China. The only places that seems to claim this is a massive problem are anti-communist type websites.

LOL Jimbo. This has been reported in every possible news media for a a few days. You're so gullible...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments ... reporting/

That's only one link, a quick search will give you a lot more.

1) NY Post reliable source?

2) I agree it’s possible, but is it the MAIN reason the numbers are low? If you read my post I said right up front... it’s probably some combination of all of these things.

OK so what's a reliable source to you? (not familiar with US media, don't know which are"reliable or not)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rus-s-toll

https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/

Again, I don't know what's a reliable source to you, but a quick googling surely will provide you with one.

[jimboston]

I’m surprised at how low China’s numbers are...

2) China under-reporting intentionally... this is possible and if true scary. I think some places like Russia and N. Korea are definitely doing this... but I’m hopeful this is not true in China. The only places that seems to claim this is a massive problem are anti-communist type websites.

LOL Jimbo. This has been reported in every possible news media for a a few days. You're so gullible...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments ... reporting/

That's only one link, a quick search will give you a lot more.

1) NY Post reliable source?

2) I agree it’s possible, but is it the MAIN reason the numbers are low? If you read my post I said right up front... it’s probably some combination of all of these things.

OK so what's a reliable source to you? (not familiar with US media, don't know which are"reliable or not)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rus-s-toll

https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/

Again, I don't know what's a reliable source to you, but a quick googling surely will provide you with one.

Time and Bloomberg are reliable... NY Post is a rag. I won’t even bother checking out what they write.
I mean they occasionally get stuff right but you never know.

... but again... I said I thought it was possible.

The question is the extent to which it is happening.

It’s only 1 point out of 5 which I talk about. I tried to search this stuff the other day (maybe last week) the only links I found were from bad sources... so if it’s got more basis. The two links you show don’t give any numbers, as opposed to the MIT estimate which said 700K!

[Dukasaur]

I’m surprised at how low China’s numbers are...

2) China under-reporting intentionally... this is possible and if true scary. I think some places like Russia and N. Korea are definitely doing this... but I’m hopeful this is not true in China. The only places that seems to claim this is a massive problem are anti-communist type websites.

LOL Jimbo. This has been reported in every possible news media for a a few days. You're so gullible...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments ... reporting/

That's only one link, a quick search will give you a lot more.

All conjecture. China's population is almost 1.4 billion now. Doing some quick math, that means 50,000 people die there on an average day. So somebody saw 5,000 urns being loaded? Proves nothing. That's 10% of what China uses each and every day.

I'm not saying China isn't understating its Covid cases. Given their history of false data, I'd be surprised if they were telling the truth. But counting a stockpile of cremation urns proves nothing.

[mookiemcgee]

[saxitoxin]

In leaked memo obtained today by the San Francisco Chronicle, the patriot captain of USS Theodore Roosevelt - currently in Guam en route to the South China Sea with her battle group - confirms to USPACFLT commanders that his ship is ready to immediately sortie and destroy the enemies of the United States even with some crew infected by COVID-19.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/art ... -aircraft-

Captain Brett E. Crozier, a native of Santa Rosa, CA, graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1992 and was designated a Naval Aviator in 1994. He received his Master’s Degree in National Security and Strategic Studies from the Naval War College in 2007, and completed Nuclear Power School in 2014.

His aviation tours include assignments with the “Easyriders” of HSL-37, the “Warhawks” of VFA-97, “Mighty Shrikes” of VFA-94, the “Rough Raiders” of VFA-125, and again with the “Mighty Shrikes” of VFA-94 as the Executive Officer and Commanding Officer. He has made multiple deployments in support of U.S. 3rd, 5th, and 7th Fleet operations to include numerous exercises and Operations Southern Watch and Iraqi Freedom.

Captain Crozier’s shore assignments include serving as an aviation detailer and retention program manager with Navy Personnel Command, and as a CJTF Deputy Director for NATO’s Operation Unified Protector while assigned as an Operations Officer to Naval Striking and Support Forces NATO in Naples, Italy.

In April 2014, he reported as the Executive Officer of USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76). During this tour, the Reagan completed multiple exercises, deployments, and maintenance availabilities, and executed a homeport shift from San Diego, CA, to Yokosuka, Japan to serve as the Nation’s forward deployed aircraft carrier.

He took command of the USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19) in Yokosuka, Japan in June of 2017 and led the ship out of an extensive dry-dock availability and back to operations at sea as the Command Ship for Commander, U.S. 7th Fleet.

Captain Crozier has accumulated over 3,000 helicopter and tactical jet flight hours and has been awarded the Legion of Merit, Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal, Air Medal, Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal, and various unit commendations, service and campaign awards.

https://www.public.navy.mil/airfor/cvn7 ... FICER.aspx

[mrswdk]

I’m surprised at how low China’s numbers are... I think there are multiple factors, but it’s hard to know which are more important/which are having a bigger influence on what we are seeing...

1) China under-reporting due to errors / undiagnosed spread... I think this is a big factor, especially early in the development of the virus. I read one report from a statistician (at MIT I think) who claimed that his math showed their total should be closer to 700K and not the 80K they claim. The report was from a reputable source and was based on the spread numbers from S. Korea.

This makes me feel good, because if true it’s likely that their is much more spread here than the authorities know and that the illness is getting way less people sick than we think. This would help explain in part why the spread has slowed in China. ecause they have achieved some level of “herd immunity”.

2) China under-reporting intentionally... this is possible and if true scary. I think some places like Russia and N. Korea are definitely doing this... but I’m hopeful this is not true in China. The only places that seems to claim this is a massive problem are anti-communist type websites.

3) China’s lockdown...if this is the main reason that spread has slowed it’s scary to me because I just don’t see the US being able to lockdown as hard as China, nor do I think we can sustain it. People just won’t accept it. (Plus it’s all illegal here anyway.)

4) Genetic Differences... There’s evidence that people with “O” type blood are less likely to get ill. Perhaps their are other genetic variations that make Asian people less likely to get ill? Total speculation here! This however would help explain why Western countries are getting hit harder than Asian countries.

5) Immunity due to exposure to other “Covid” viruses... again some speculation, but I heard some doctors speculating similar ideas. Asian countries were exposed to SARs which is related to the new Novel Corona genetically. There is speculation that exposure to other genetically similar Covid viruses may give people in that part of the world some immunity compared to people from other parts of the world.

Items 3 and 4 make this virus scary for people of European descent.

It’s all interesting from a scientific standpoint...but it’s also very scary. US numbers are getting extremely big and we haven’t plateaued yet... assuming nationally we are still at least a few weeks away from the crest...it’s not looking good. The fact that different regions are responding differently also means that it could be with us for awhile and it could be harder to control flare-ups.

‘China might be under-reporting numbers, my evidence for this is that it’s China’.

Read the rest of the thread dude. The reason it’s spreading way less quickly in China, Korea, Singapore etc is that they took better preemptive measures, faster. China’s initial response was delayed by officials in Wuhan who downplayed/didn’t realise what was happening, but once the central government got involved it reacted fast.

Given that COVID first spread in China, then to other countries in the region, and spread rapidly, the idea that Chinese or East Asian people are somehow immune should self-evidently be nonsense.

[saxitoxin]

Reuters: As World Suffers Shortages, U.S. Enjoys Surpluses thanks to Trump

As I said before, it turned out Trump was the right president at the right time in history.

- If Clinton had been president she would have followed the WHO quarantine advice like the EU and the U.S. would have had sky-high death rates on par with Europe
- If Clinton had been president there would have been no tariffs regime against China and surpluses would not have developed, leaving America with European-style shortages and queues

Tariff pain turns to gain: U.S. stockpiles help meet virus rush

While the tariff plans have since been canceled as part of a “phase one” trade deal, the build is letting companies meet a surge in demand from U.S. students and workers stuck at home due to lockdowns, even as customers in Japan, India and Britain face weeks-long delays and “out of stock” signs.

“We’re going to be able to fulfill everything for everybody” in the United States, said Richard Black, a vice president of marketing at Acer, which sold about as many laptops worldwide as Apple Inc (AAPL.O) last year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21J4H4

[saxitoxin]

American Voters Set to Reward Trump's Calm Control of Coronacrisis with Second Term

During Crisis, Trump’s Approval Gets Boost From Crucial Voters

Justin Penn, a Pittsburgh voter who calls himself politically independent, favored Joseph R. Biden Jr. in a matchup with President Trump until recently. But the president’s performance during the coronavirus outbreak has Mr. Penn reconsidering.

“I think he’s handled it pretty well,” he said of the president, whose daily White House appearances Mr. Penn catches on Facebook after returning from his job as a bank security guard. “I think he’s tried to keep people calm,” he said. “I know some people don’t think he’s taking it seriously, but I think he’s doing the best with the information he had.”

Although Mr. Penn, 40, said he did not vote for Mr. Trump, his opinion of the president has improved recently and he very well might back him for a second term.

Across the country, the coronavirus has sickened more than 150,000 people, cost millions their jobs and tanked the stock market. Yet the president’s approval ratings are as high as they have ever been.

https://nyti.ms/2WVRzuC

[mrswdk]

Trump revises his death estimates up again. Now he's saying 100-240k:

https://www.ft.com/content/ce4098c9-8d3 ... 40b0294b88

[saxitoxin]

It's always appreciated how only the American Leader is willing to be honest and forthcoming with fatality projections. The rulers of Europe - the actual death toll leader - are grimly silent about what lays in store for the future except vague predictions of collapse, chaos and despair ...

[Dukasaur]

It's always appreciated how only the American Leader is willing to be honest and forthcoming with fatality projections. The rulers of Europe - the actual death toll leader - are grimly silent about what lays in store for the future except vague predictions of collapse, chaos and despair ...