Vice Presidentress Gets COVID-19 -- Says the Line!

[Dukasaur]

Each time you hear a VaxMutant say "I had mild symptoms because I was vaccinated," remember saxi had mild symptoms because he was unvaccinated.

VaxMutants don't get a monopoly on shit logic.

And how old are you? This is a serious question that has bearing on your reported symptoms.

btw: The "vaxed" are not mutants; this is JUST more Fake News by saxi. BUT are we surprised?

In fact, in the USA, when I looked yesterday, 63% of the population are "fully vaccinated" and 75% have had at least one shot. So the vaccinated are in the majority. So the mutants are the UNVAXED, based on actual stats. I HEARD that such persons are regressing in their brain power, even as they continue to wrap their heads in tin foil. and while they take other drugs, illegal and some unproven, too.

No JP, it's the other way around:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant

In biology, and especially in genetics, a mutant is an organism or a new genetic character arising or resulting from an instance of mutation, which is generally an alteration of the DNA sequence of the genome or chromosome of an organism.

The vaxxed are the ones who got their biology/genes artificially altered, the unvaxxed are still normal.

Vaccination does not have any impact on your genes.

[jusplay4fun]

Science takes time.

Yes, so let's do some catching up.

NOTES:
1) Crash go the dominoes.
2) My source, a compilation of many studies, trumps the LACK of sources offered by saxi.
3) My source clarifies the apparent misunderstanding of the impact on COVID vaccines on DNA by Maxleod and
4) the HUGE difference between DNA and RNA (and it is MORE that one simple, single letter).
5) And we are not talking about RNA with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, we are talking about mRNA, a SECOND letter.
6) The mRNA is much more fragile than DNA and RNA; that is why those 2 vaccines are stored at very low temperatures.
7) Research into mRNA vaccines have been going on for at least 10 years.
8 ) The Clinical Trials and the sheer # of vaccines given in the USA alone (and the rest of the world) gives us a HUGE data base and proves very clearly and cogently the effectiveness and the safety of the those vaccines.
9) llama needs to cogitate THAT.
10) Despite saxi's FAKE NEWS, no vaccine or medicine is effective or safe at 100% level. See my postings on CBA. That does not make them ineffective or unsafe, especially compared to getting the Delta and Alpha variants of COVID.
11) omicron is much milder and that is the one saxi wants to BRAG that he BEAT so easily. He beat the 3rd grade team of children who run by his basement, not the NFL Tampa Bay Bucs or ever the University of Alabama's team.
12) saxi failed AGAIN, quite miserably.

And did not answer my question about his age.

Maxleod may need to consult a Biology textbook if he does not understand DNA vs. RNA. He should talk with intelligence and knowledge about this topic.

MYTH: The natural immunity I get from being sick with COVID-19 is better than the immunity I get from COVID-19 vaccination.

FACT: Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is a safer and more dependable way to build immunity to COVID-19 than getting sick with COVID-19.

COVID-19 vaccination causes a more predictable immune response than infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. Getting a COVID-19 vaccine gives most people a high level of protection against COVID-19 and can provide added protection for people who already had COVID-19. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.

All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19. Getting sick with COVID-19 can offer some protection from future illness, sometimes called “natural immunity,” but the level of protection people get from having COVID-19 may vary depending on how mild or severe their illness was, the time since their infection, and their age.

Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is also a safer way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccination helps protect you by creating an antibody response without you having to experience sickness. Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Getting sick with COVID-19 can cause severe illness or death, and we can’t reliably predict who will have mild or severe illness. If you get sick, you can spread COVID-19 to others. You can also continue to have long-term health issues after COVID-19 infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html?s_cid=10506:does%20the%20covid%2019%20vaccine%20change%20your%20dna:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines can alter my DNA.
FACT: COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.

Both messenger RNA (mRNA) and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines work by delivering instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19.

After the body produces an immune response, it discards all the vaccine ingredients just as it would discard any information that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.

The genetic material delivered by mRNA vaccines never enters the nucleus of your cells, which is where your DNA is kept. Viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver genetic material to the cell nucleus to allow our cells to build protection against COVID-19. However, the vector virus does not have the machinery needed to integrate its genetic material into our DNA, so it cannot alter our DNA.

(same source and same link)

[saxitoxin]

11) omicron is much milder and that is the one saxi wants to BRAG that he BEAT so easily. He beat the 3rd grade team of children who run by his basement, not the NFL Tampa Bay Bucs or ever the University of Alabama's team.

Even I don't know what variant I had, but jp4f does!

[Doc_Brown]

I want to address this one point.

MYTH: The natural immunity I get from being sick with COVID-19 is better than the immunity I get from COVID-19 vaccination.

FACT: Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is a safer and more dependable way to build immunity to COVID-19 than getting sick with COVID-19.

Everything CDC says on this point is accurate and supportable by studies, but it leaves some things out. Let's parse each piece of this answer.

COVID-19 vaccination causes a more predictable immune response than infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. Getting a COVID-19 vaccine gives most people a high level of protection against COVID-19 and can provide added protection for people who already had COVID-19.

This was certainly true with the original virus and only slightly less so with Delta. Omicron is another story, and the level of protection from the vaccine is an open question right now. But if we stick with the original version and with Delta (which is what most of the available studies covered), this is a true statement. All of the studies have shown that vaccines offer superior protection to the virus, at least for the first 3 months after vaccination.

One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.

This is probably my biggest complaint with this CDC article. The original question was the efficacy of natural immunity alone vs. the vaccine alone. Here they jump to natural immunity alone vs. natural immunity plus vaccine. The Israeli study agreed with this finding: recovery from the virus plus one dose of the vaccine provided the best overall immunity. However, natural immunity with no vaccine was at least 6 times more effective than the vaccine alone.

All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19.

Again, granted at the time this was written.

Getting sick with COVID-19 can offer some protection from future illness, sometimes called “natural immunity,” but the level of protection people get from having COVID-19 may vary depending on how mild or severe their illness was, the time since their infection, and their age.

Another set of weasel words from this article. Earlier they noted what studies showed. Here they resort to "may vary" without any studies to back it up. In fact, the level of protection from the vaccine has been shown to vary depending on the time since vaccination and the presence of other risk factors.

Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is also a safer way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccination helps protect you by creating an antibody response without you having to experience sickness.

In general, this is an accurate statement, especially if we're talking about older people and those with other risk factors. However, for young otherwise healthy people, the side effects of the vaccines can actually be comparable to covid symptoms. I can support this statement using data from CDC's website (more to come on this later - I need to finish parsing the data in a way I can fully explain and properly source).

Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

There's that word "may" again. And we know that vaccinated people can and do regularly spread covid. In fact, because there are guidelines requiring testing and masking for unvaccinated people that the vaccinated do not have to follow, the unvaccinated are actually responsible for much less of the spread than the vaccinated. That said, if you're around someone that is at high risk, it would be quite prudent to mask up whether you're vaccinated or not. And if you're going to be visiting with someone that is high risk, a covid test is advisable, whether you are vaccinated or not.

Getting sick with COVID-19 can cause severe illness or death, and we can’t reliably predict who will have mild or severe illness.

Quite true. We can't perfectly predict such things. There are young and very healthy people that get serious cases of covid and die from it. However, if you're under the age of 40, are in good health with no known other risk factors, your risk of dying from covid is significantly less than your risk of dying from the flu.

If you get sick, you can spread COVID-19 to others. You can also continue to have long-term health issues after COVID-19 infection.

Also quite true. If you are sick, stay away from people. It could be covid. It could be the flu. Or it might just be a cold. Whatever it is, we don't want it.

[Doc_Brown]

One other fun fact. There was a study done last year evaluating vaccine hesitancy vs. level of education. The groups were a) high-school or less, b) some college, c) bachelor's degree, d) master's degree, e) professional doctorate (e.g. J.D.), or f) PhD. Any guesses on which group or groups had the highest level of vaccine hesitancy? Surely it's the uneducated that are least likely to get vaccinated, right?

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Link to the actual study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21260795v3

[mookiemcgee]

Is there any evidence that natural immunity acquired from OG or Delta variants have any effect on Omicron?

Also Deltacron... is it real?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/08/cyprus- ... delta.html

[Doc_Brown]

Is there any evidence that natural immunity acquired from OG or Delta variants have any effect on Omicron?

Also Deltacron... is it real?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/08/cyprus- ... delta.html

Interesting. I hadn't heard about the deltacron thing. Will have to look into that further. On your first question, that's a completely valid one, and one for which I haven't seen any papers yet. I can speculate some based on the trends that we've seen so far with the previous variants.

Let me back up a bit first to properly motivate my suppositions. There is speculation that part of the reason the Israeli study showed far better resistance to covid from natural immunity than from the vaccine was because of how the immunity is formed. When your body is infected, your immune system learns how to fight off whatever infection is present. When you are infected with covid, your immune system is trained on the entire virus. However, the mRNA vaccines essentially turn your own cells into factories that produce the spike protein, which is only a small part of the overall virus (albeit a very key part in the overall infectiousness of the virus). The vaccines essentially supercharge your bodies' reaction to the spike protein. The delta variant had 13 mutations from the original virus, 8 of which were on the spike protein (4 were deemed especially concerning). Thus, the key feature of the virus that the vaccine trained your immune system to fight was noticeably mutated to the point where your immune system was less able to recognize and fight it off. A natural infection trained your immune system to recognize a whole bunch of different features of the virus, so when the spike protein was mutated, naturally developed immunity was still able to recognize and fight it off. Getting vaccinated after an infection resulted in both kinds of protection.

Now we're facing Omicron, which has 60 mutations from the original virus, 32 of which affect the spike protein. It is likely that both naturally developed immunity and vaccine-derived immunity is significantly reduced compared to earlier variants. Because of the broad coverage of naturally-derived immunity, I think (and this is supposition that I can't prove with any currently available studies but it makes sense based on previous results) that the reduction in effectiveness will again be less severe for natural immunity than for the vaccines.

[mookiemcgee]

It is likely that both naturally developed immunity and vaccine-derived immunity is significantly reduced compared to earlier variants.

This is what I've heard being speculated (why so many vaccinated and unvaccinated are testing positive, regardless of having previously contract Covid)

Because of the broad coverage of naturally-derived immunity, I think (and this is supposition that I can't prove with any currently available studies but it makes sense based on previous results) that the reduction in effectiveness will again be less severe for natural immunity than for the vaccines.

Do you think some of these upcoming Vaccines using different technologies will hold up to a broader array of mutations? Namely the one from Baylor college/Biological E., and the Walter reed hospital/SpFN developed ones?

[saxitoxin]

[Doc_Brown]

Do you think some of these upcoming Vaccines using different technologies will hold up to a broader array of mutations? Namely the one from Baylor college/Biological E., and the Walter reed hospital/SpFN developed ones?

I've not yet researched any of the details of those vaccines, so I'd hate to even speculate at this point.

I also hope we're fast approaching the time when it will be a moot point - that we have sufficient levels of immunity and the new variants have sufficiently declined in severity that it becomes comparable to the flu. But I'm also concerned that the way we've responded to covid will have long-term repercussions on the way we respond to other threats and that we end up seeing things like vaccine mandates for the flu.

[saxitoxin]

LOL the CDC director just said 75% of COVID deaths occurred in people with FOUR OR MORE comorbidities!!!

That's even better than my most optimistic statements in this thread.

[jusplay4fun]

Doc_Brown on Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:36 am said:

Thus, the key feature of the virus that the vaccine trained your immune system to fight was noticeably mutated to the point where your immune system was less able to recognize and fight it off. A natural infection trained your immune system to recognize a whole bunch of different features of the virus, so when the spike protein was mutated, naturally developed immunity was still able to recognize and fight it off. Getting vaccinated after an infection resulted in both kinds of protection.

Interesting. I will have to process much of what Doc_Brown posted, but the above discussion of protein spikes and how the mRNA vaccines work is worth noting.

[jusplay4fun]

11) omicron is much milder and that is the one saxi wants to BRAG that he BEAT so easily. He beat the 3rd grade team of children who run by his basement, not the NFL Tampa Bay Bucs or ever the University of Alabama's team.

Even I don't know what variant I had, but jp4f does!

I base my conclusion on

1) how flippant saxi has been about how easily he BEAT his alleged round of COVID; and
2) omicron is less virulent and more transmissible.

ERGO, saxi had omicron, the weaker cousin of the virulent delta variant.

That was an obvious and easy conclusion to draw, saxi. I assume you understand basic logic.

[bigtoughralf]

25-30% of people with Covid get no symptoms at all, even for the original super deady variants.

[jusplay4fun]

Let's see what Science says:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2787098

Abstract
Importance Asymptomatic infections are potential sources of transmission for COVID-19.

Objective To evaluate the percentage of asymptomatic infections among individuals undergoing testing (tested population) and those with confirmed COVID-19 (confirmed population).

Data Sources PubMed, EMBASE, and ScienceDirect were searched on February 4, 2021.

Study Selection Cross-sectional studies, cohort studies, case series studies, and case series on transmission reporting the number of asymptomatic infections among the tested and confirmed COVID-19 populations that were published in Chinese or English were included.

Data Extraction and Synthesis This meta-analysis was conducted following the Preferred Reporting Items for Systematic Reviews and Meta-Analyses (PRISMA) guideline. Random-effects models were used to estimate the pooled percentage and its 95% CI. Three researchers performed the data extraction independently.

Main Outcomes and Measures The percentage of asymptomatic infections among the tested and confirmed populations.

Results Ninety-five unique eligible studies were included, covering 29 776 306 individuals undergoing testing. The pooled percentage of asymptomatic infections among the tested population was 0.25% (95% CI, 0.23%-0.27%), which was higher in nursing home residents or staff (4.52% [95% CI, 4.15%-4.89%]), air or cruise travelers (2.02% [95% CI, 1.66%-2.38%]), and pregnant women (2.34% [95% CI, 1.89%-2.78%]). The pooled percentage of asymptomatic infections among the confirmed population was 40.50% (95% CI, 33.50%-47.50%), which was higher in pregnant women (54.11% [95% CI, 39.16%-69.05%]), air or cruise travelers (52.91% [95% CI, 36.08%-69.73%]), and nursing home residents or staff (47.53% [95% CI, 36.36%-58.70%]).

Conclusions and Relevance In this meta-analysis of the percentage of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections among populations tested for and with confirmed COVID-19, the pooled percentage of asymptomatic infections was 0.25% among the tested population and 40.50% among the confirmed population. The high percentage of asymptomatic infections highlights the potential transmission risk of asymptomatic infections in communities.

[saxitoxin]

11) omicron is much milder and that is the one saxi wants to BRAG that he BEAT so easily. He beat the 3rd grade team of children who run by his basement, not the NFL Tampa Bay Bucs or ever the University of Alabama's team.

Even I don't know what variant I had, but jp4f does!

I base my conclusion on

1) how flippant saxi has been about how easily he BEAT his alleged round of COVID; and
2) omicron is less virulent and more transmissible.

ERGO, saxi had omicron, the weaker cousin of the virulent delta variant.

My 95 year-old great aunt had COVID-19 in June 2020. She was obviously unvaccinated since the vaccines weren't out yet. She was completely asymptomatic.

I think it could have been Delta, Omicron, or Alpha and I would have had a similar experience.

[mookiemcgee]

LOL the CDC director just said 75% of COVID deaths occurred in people with FOUR OR MORE comorbidities!!!

Saxi now pivoting and shilling deep state propaganda... The seems bearish for Covid

[saxitoxin]

The Pfizer CEO has just come out with a breakdown of their vax vs Omicron:

1 jab: Ineffective
2 jabs: Ineffective
3 jabs: "Decent" protection against hospitalization

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Meanwhile, here's a breakdown of saxi vs Omicron:

0 jabs: 100% protection against hospitalization

Wanna be protected against Omicron? Send me $10 and I'll spit in your Dr Pepper Zero.

[jusplay4fun]

The Pfizer CEO has just come out with a breakdown of their vax vs Omicron:

1 jab: Ineffective
2 jabs: Ineffective
3 jabs: "Decent" protection against hospitalization

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Meanwhile, here's a breakdown of saxi vs Omicron:

0 jabs: 100% protection against hospitalization

Wanna be protected against Omicron? Send me $10 and I'll spit in your Dr Pepper Zero.

What saxi forgets, or does not mention, and is THUS MISLEADING, is that the virus MUTATES, as do most. Therefore, it itself is a moving target. FROM HIS source:

Bourla said omicron is a more difficult target than previous variants. Omicron, which has dozens of mutations, can evade some of the protection provided by Pfizer’s original two shots.

“We have seen with a second dose very clearly that the first thing that we lost was the protection against infections,” Bourla said. “But then two months later, what used to be very strong in hospitalization also went down. And I think this is what everybody’s worried about.”

Real-world data from the United Kingdom has found that two vaccine doses are 52% effective at preventing hospitalization 25 weeks after receiving the second shot, according to data from the U.K. Health Security Agency.

[saxitoxin]

Biden's CDC today warned that Canada is too sick and infected to visit, despite the country having an 83% vaccination rate.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/we ... as-country

THE VACCINES WORK!!!

[JdeV 100]

It is because if the vaccinated catch it there is a real risk of unvaccinated Americans ending up in hospital. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronav ... w/3487965/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021 ... d-america/ We could always speculate some other BS, of course.

[saxitoxin]

Australia is 78% vaccinated and its daily case count has gone from 11/day in June to 100,000/day today.

THE VACCINES WORK!!!

The wheels are coming off this clown car.

[saxitoxin]

It is because if the vaccinated catch it

But we were told the vaccinated couldn't catch it or pass it on!



You VaxMutants have to change your storyline every three weeks but keep gobbling up whatever the new version is. It's going to be hilarious in 12 months when the heart attacks start piling up --- I can hardly wait to hear what the rationalization will be then. From "No one is having heart attacks!" in January 2022 to "Okay, well, people's hearts are exploding but more people's hearts would have exploded if they weren't vaccinated!" in January 2023.

[JdeV 100]

The mainstream belief among your vaccinated friends and family has not been the outlier you want to claim, Rachel Maddow or whatever, it has been that they are doing their bit to minimise deaths. Following reliable medical studies, opinions and debates in journals and mainstream news the story hasn't changed, your links notwithstanding. It was always necessary to throw every shitty mask and vaccine, hygiene and social distancing measure at this to overcome Covid, and to do as much as we can with those tools to minimise critical cases, health system overload and deaths. We heard you say you don't care, as if you are just some persistent scum here without purpose.

[saxitoxin]

We heard you say you don't care, as if you are just some persistent scum here without purpose.

Your hobby is COVID doom porn. My lack of interest in your hobby says nothing more about me than your lack of interest in my hobby of stamp collecting. You're welcome to pursue your hobbies and interests; I will do nothing to stop you if you want to live in a hazmat suit and get a booster every 72 hours. Literally, I will do nothing to stop your enjoyment of your hobby.

You're not welcome to demand I join your hobby and to mobilize the police to force others to share your hobby.