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[WILLIAMS5232]

i wish slavery was never a "thing". instead it could have been like a name of a tree or something.

"look at those slavery trees over in that field"

or

"did you cut down that slavery tree yet"

that way it wouldn't work it's way into nearly every thread as a tool to try and force southerners to feel sorry for the fact that they are southern. no matter how long it's been since then and not even realizing that some northerners could have moved south after slavery, or vice versa.

i think we're all aware that slavery is not coming back.

slavery timeline basics;

before 1860ish . slavery is common in america
after 1860ish . slavery is not common in america

i guess you forgot to bring up civil rights and how southerners should feel sorry for being southern about that too?
what about the kkk. since i'm southern am i a kkk member?

let's just all hate ourselves for being spawned from people that made poor or inhumane choices. as americans we can all bask in misery together for the bad things that happen in our history.

i'm mississippian by birth. so i guess that makes me the most evil amongst us all. especially since there have been several movies made flaming my fellow statesmen.

i feel so bad and terrible and just a POS.......

wait a minute. no i don't. i basically don't give a fu#k. mainly because i don't think the way slave owners, kkk members, and white trash filth that that put nooses in their yard because they think it's funny thinks. actually i'm proud that i'm from MS. i enjoyed my childhood there, and i plan on going back.

sorry, i just get worked up. since i'm from MS. it just strikes a nerve. mainly when some idiot just starts spouting off how much superior he/she is just because he/she was born in maine or california. it's like he/she feels as though he/she gets a right of passage or something due to things that are way out of any of our control.

you know who you are.

[Woodruff]

that way it wouldn't work it's way into nearly every thread as a tool to try and force southerners to feel sorry for the fact that they are southern.

I don't think MOST current southerners should feel sorry as regards slavery. I do think a few more should feel sorry for holding bigoted attitudes, though that certainly is not a "southerner failing" alone.

That being said, there are current-day situations that do apply very similarly to bigoted positions of the past (not so much slavery).

i'm mississippian by birth. so i guess that makes me the most evil amongst us all.

No, that only means you should feel bad for your weather (just DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!), and perhaps your state's educational state (Note: both of my children graduated from Biloxi High School and I have actually liked most of the Mississippians I've met).

[WILLIAMS5232]

(Note: both of my children graduated from Biloxi High School and I have actually liked most of the Mississippians I've met).

I graduated from d'Iberville high.



judging from your military background ( best i can tell ) you must have been stationed at keesler?

i grew up in saucier. not sure how well you know the area.

[Phatscotty]

Slavery was forced into North America, centuries before America was even an idea. Native Americans practiced slavery as well. Just about every nation in history has had slaves at some time in history. There are still slaves today.

America was the beginning of the end of slavery all around the world, and this should be recognized more often since it seems many people just think all of our founders from New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware, "oh, well those were just a bunch of slave owning white people!" It just isn't the truth.

America, in the time of slavery, was always exactly as much as free country as it ever was a slave country, and our ideals triumphed just a couple of generations later. And of course, if slaves were not counted in the census, slavery may have ended a lot sooner.

[GreecePwns]

No one is calling MItt Romney a Marxist in this thread

Sad Greecepwns is sad.

[Symmetry]

Slavery was forced into North America, centuries before America was even an idea. Native Americans practiced slavery as well. Just about every nation in history has had slaves at some time in history. There are still slaves today.

America was the beginning of the end of slavery all around the world, and this should be recognized more often since it seems many people just think all of our founders from New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware, "oh, well those were just a bunch of slave owning white people!" It just isn't the truth.

America, in the time of slavery, was always exactly as much as free country as it ever was a slave country, and our ideals triumphed just a couple of generations.

Utter bollocks.

[Phatscotty]

Slavery was forced into North America, centuries before America was even an idea. Native Americans practiced slavery as well. Just about every nation in history has had slaves at some time in history. There are still slaves today.

America was the beginning of the end of slavery all around the world, and this should be recognized more often since it seems many people just think all of our founders from New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware, "oh, well those were just a bunch of slave owning white people!" It just isn't the truth.

America, in the time of slavery, was always exactly as much as free country as it ever was a slave country, and our ideals triumphed just a couple of generations.

Utter bollocks.

is that all?

You stick your toe in the water....care to jump in the pool and engage in exactly how or why that is utter bollocks?

[GreecePwns]

Countries that ended slavery before America even existed as an independent nation (before 1776):

Japan
Sweden
England
Russia
Poland
Portugal
Spain
Chile

Countries that ended slavery before the start of the American civil war:

Netherlands
France
Wales
Denmark
Norway
Holy Roman Empire
Scotland
Canada

Care to continue with this line of thought? So which European nations "forced slavery on the United States?"

[Symmetry]

Slavery was forced into North America, centuries before America was even an idea. Native Americans practiced slavery as well. Just about every nation in history has had slaves at some time in history. There are still slaves today.

America was the beginning of the end of slavery all around the world, and this should be recognized more often since it seems many people just think all of our founders from New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware, "oh, well those were just a bunch of slave owning white people!" It just isn't the truth.

America, in the time of slavery, was always exactly as much as free country as it ever was a slave country, and our ideals triumphed just a couple of generations.

Utter bollocks.

is that all?

You stick your toe in the water....care to jump in the pool and engage in exactly how or why that is utter bollocks?

You're so far out of your depth that even placing a toe in your shallow waters would drown you. Perhaps you could look at the Mansfield ruling in 1772, aboloshing slavery in England as a start.

When was it abolished in the US? And weren't the Americans a bit worried about their slaves possibly getting emancipated?

[Symmetry]

Countries that ended slavery before America even existed as an independent nation (before 1776):

Japan
Sweden
England
Russia
Poland
Portugal
Spain
Chile

Countries that ended slavery before the start of the American civil war:

Netherlands
France
Wales
Denmark
Norway
Holy Roman Empire
Scotland
Canada

Care to continue with this line of thought? So which European nations "forced slavery on the United States?"

Better research than me.

[Phatscotty]

Countries that ended slavery before America even existed as an independent nation (before 1776):

Japan
Sweden
England
Russia
Poland
Portugal
Spain
Chile

Countries that ended slavery before the start of the American civil war:

Netherlands
France
Wales
Denmark
Norway
Holy Roman Empire
Scotland
Canada

Care to continue with this line of thought? So which European nations "forced slavery on the United States?"

Care to continue comparing countries that existed for centuries to one that was 70 years old?????

I mean, I could similarly, dishonestly say "My country ended slavery in it's first 100 years, and it took every country GP names millenia ..."

And you forget, sure those countries banned slavery for the most part....but it was only because they had so many slaves around the world serving them.

For example, I have seen a few Brits use this argument in response to me, saying "England ended slavery first" but that is a pretty ignorant claim when at the same time they enslave people in Africa, sell them in America, take all the sugar and tobacco and cotton they can fill their ships with, bring all the plunder to England, where the cotton is used to make clothing, which is enforced by law Obamacare style on the people of India (It was illegal for Indians to wear anything but British cloth), pillaged all the opium crops and used it to enslave the Chinese people, and then harvest all the tea they can carry and force it on the North American colonies, and round and round the cycle goes, all the meanwhile "England ended slavery! Glorious England!"

Oh yeah, and all those countries you name...many of them were competing desperately in the slave trade for share of the market, but yeah sure they did not have slaves in their homeland.

And you list Japan, but remind me again about what Japan did to Koreans and Vietnamese and Chinese and Laosians in the 1930's? I'm a bit rusty on this one... Did they enslave anyone? OR did they similarly claim that "oh, well, I don't have slaves in my house...."

[Symmetry]

America was the beginning of the end of slavery all around the world

So you were bullshitting on this.

[PLAYER57832]

(Note: both of my children graduated from Biloxi High School and I have actually liked most of the Mississippians I've met).

I graduated from d'Iberville high.



judging from your military background ( best i can tell ) you must have been stationed at keesler?

i grew up in saucier. not sure how well you know the area.

Saucier?

[PLAYER57832]

Countries that ended slavery before America even existed as an independent nation (before 1776):

Japan
Sweden
England
Russia
Poland
Portugal
Spain
Chile

Countries that ended slavery before the start of the American civil war:

Netherlands
France
Wales
Denmark
Norway
Holy Roman Empire
Scotland
Canada

Care to continue with this line of thought? So which European nations "forced slavery on the United States?"

As a point of fact, those dates refer to abolition of the slave trade, not specifically slavery itself. Even within those nations, serfdom was more common than actual slavery of white people. The difference was that they just did not consider blacks to be "real people" in the same way, and thus slavery was allowed. That and the trade was removed from the countries involved or only very minimally allowed (a few curiosities.. note black per who is traditionally the helper to Santa Claus, for example).
Interesting, for example, that you claim England ended slavery in 1776-- but note for Scandinavia the date of the treaty between those nations and Britain. (and let's not forget India, now...)


These countries were quite happy to take the funds provided by the trade and let it sully only the soil of the Americas/other colonies, not their own countries.

[Nola_Lifer]

Slavery wasn't forced into America. The Civil War wasn't fought for the freedom of slaves. Workers in the North can argue had it worse because slaves were considered property and had value. Worker in the North working in factories worked for pennies and were killed right and left. Slaves weren't killed as often as you think. The Civil War was fought for state rights and the fact that the North need the South for it agriculture; i.e, they had to feed all those booming cities and influx of emigrants. Slavery as a whole was on its way out regardless of whether or not the Civil War was fought.

The only people who made out in the Civil War were the megarich who controlled the country. The only slave I know of today are the slaves of ideological bs and the poor women who are sex slaves.

[PLAYER57832]

The only slave I know of today are the slaves of ideological bs and the poor women who are sex slaves.

You forget some agricultural workers, even here today in the US.. and some factory workers as well. I don't want to divert this topic yet further, but slavery very much exists today, and is always worse when immigration crackdowns are intensified.

[Nola_Lifer]

The only slave I know of today are the slaves of ideological bs and the poor women who are sex slaves.

You forget some agricultural workers, even here today in the US.. and some factory workers as well. I don't want to divert this topic yet further, but slavery very much exists today, and is always worse when immigration crackdowns are intensified.

The immigrants that come from South of our border to work in our fields aren't slaves. They knowingly come to do the work here and get paid. They live fine and are actually able to save to send back to home. In fact, when Alabama passed its laws they left leaving no workers to do the jobs. Farmers had to cut back the size of their farm. So I wouldn't call them slaves. There are probably still children doing labor but I don't always see that as a bad thing if their working conditions are good(in reality they probably aren't).

[PLAYER57832]

The only slave I know of today are the slaves of ideological bs and the poor women who are sex slaves.

You forget some agricultural workers, even here today in the US.. and some factory workers as well. I don't want to divert this topic yet further, but slavery very much exists today, and is always worse when immigration crackdowns are intensified.

The immigrants that come from South of our border to work in our fields aren't slaves. They knowingly come to do the work here and get paid. They live fine and are actually able to save to send back to home. In fact, when Alabama passed its laws they left leaving no workers to do the jobs. Farmers had to cut back the size of their farm. So I wouldn't call them slaves. There are probably still children doing labor but I don't always see that as a bad thing if their working conditions are good(in reality they probably aren't).

No, but am starting a new thread with the answer, data.

[WILLIAMS5232]

(Note: both of my children graduated from Biloxi High School and I have actually liked most of the Mississippians I've met).

I graduated from d'Iberville high.



judging from your military background ( best i can tell ) you must have been stationed at keesler?

i grew up in saucier. not sure how well you know the area.

Saucier?

yeah, pronounced "so-shur" by the locals.
it's funny. because there's also a place called gautier. it's pronounced "go-shay" by the same locals.....

it's not a town, or a city, just an area. maybe a community? it's hard to explain. and there's really not a distinct boundary that i know of. it's just people in the area know where saucier is and where it isn't.

it's also more for the old crowd to know too. biloxi area has exploded since the casinos, so most new residents probably don't know where that is. not that i'm old, but my folks are long time residents so i'm grandfathered in.

[spurgistan]

The only slave I know of today are the slaves of ideological bs and the poor women who are sex slaves.

You forget some agricultural workers, even here today in the US.. and some factory workers as well. I don't want to divert this topic yet further, but slavery very much exists today, and is always worse when immigration crackdowns are intensified.

The immigrants that come from South of our border to work in our fields aren't slaves. They knowingly come to do the work here and get paid. They live fine and are actually able to save to send back to home. In fact, when Alabama passed its laws they left leaving no workers to do the jobs. Farmers had to cut back the size of their farm. So I wouldn't call them slaves. There are probably still children doing labor but I don't always see that as a bad thing if their working conditions are good(in reality they probably aren't).

Just because they come willingly doesn't mean illegals working in agriculture and meatpacking aren't living at the whims of their employer, generally afraid to complain about illegal working conditions and facing immigration raids curiously timed to paydays.

[Phatscotty]

The only slave I know of today are the slaves of ideological bs and the poor women who are sex slaves.

You forget some agricultural workers, even here today in the US.. and some factory workers as well. I don't want to divert this topic yet further, but slavery very much exists today, and is always worse when immigration crackdowns are intensified.

The immigrants that come from South of our border to work in our fields aren't slaves. They knowingly come to do the work here and get paid. They live fine and are actually able to save to send back to home. In fact, when Alabama passed its laws they left leaving no workers to do the jobs. Farmers had to cut back the size of their farm. So I wouldn't call them slaves. There are probably still children doing labor but I don't always see that as a bad thing if their working conditions are good(in reality they probably aren't).

Just because they come willingly doesn't mean illegals working in agriculture and meatpacking aren't living at the whims of their employer, generally afraid to complain about illegal working conditions and facing immigration raids curiously timed to paydays.

Probably because they used up all their "complaints" while risking their lives to cross the desert, to come back to the same horrid working conditions, following orders of their bosses n shit!

[Juan_Bottom]

Slavery wasn't forced into America. The Civil War wasn't fought for the freedom of slaves. Workers in the North can argue had it worse because slaves were considered property and had value. Worker in the North working in factories worked for pennies and were killed right and left. Slaves weren't killed as often as you think. The Civil War was fought for state rights and the fact that the North need the South for it agriculture; i.e, they had to feed all those booming cities and influx of emigrants. Slavery as a whole was on its way out regardless of whether or not the Civil War was fought.

The only people who made out in the Civil War were the megarich who controlled the country. The only slave I know of today are the slaves of ideological bs and the poor women who are sex slaves.

This is what is taught in High Schools, but it's not accurate.
It might interest everyone to know that in the Original Draft of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson lambasted the British for forcing the slave trade on the colonies, but Congress took that part out.

The Civil War was fought only over slavery. Ask yourself what "state right" where they fighting over? Several states, famously including S. Carolina and Texas listed aggression towards slavery as their reason for cession, while most of the other Southern States gave a nod to S. Carolina's Causes. Historians seem to think that the other states only nodded to S. Carolina's Causes because they had an eye on world opinion and their need for support. European governments weren't keen on militarily supporting a slaver country.
Most of the other State's also listed an unbalanced distribution of federal tax dollars, and they were right that the South received the smallest share of taxes. But as the North was building factories and the west was homesteading, the South was staying the same. The South had few paved roads, canals, and trains. Basically they had only what they needed to ship Cotton to the Atlantic; Yet this is because their cast system was unchanging, so their infrastructure mirrored that.


There is a myth propagated by textbooks that the North was dependent upon the South for Agricultural reasons. It's not true. Originally the North was heavily dependent upon the South. That's why we had the 3/5ths compromise and the Mason-Dixon line. It's why there were so many Southerners in high offices. But as settlers moved west, the North used federal dollars to build roads, tracks, and canals across the Midwest for them. Farmers used the new trains and roads to send their previously locked crops back very cheaply. At that point, the North stopped being dependent upon the South, and they started fighting against Slavery at the Capital.
The Southerners tried to respond by forcing slavery into the west; everyone has heard of Bleeding Kansas. The poor farmers in Kansas and elsewhere knew that they couldn't compete against slave labor, so they didn't want slaves there either. When the South lost Kansas they knew that there was a third region/power that they would never control. Their time was limited. So they shelled us.

[Phatscotty]

Slavery wasn't forced into America. The Civil War wasn't fought for the freedom of slaves. Workers in the North can argue had it worse because slaves were considered property and had value. Worker in the North working in factories worked for pennies and were killed right and left. Slaves weren't killed as often as you think. The Civil War was fought for state rights and the fact that the North need the South for it agriculture; i.e, they had to feed all those booming cities and influx of emigrants. Slavery as a whole was on its way out regardless of whether or not the Civil War was fought.

The only people who made out in the Civil War were the megarich who controlled the country. The only slave I know of today are the slaves of ideological bs and the poor women who are sex slaves.

This is what is taught in High Schools, but it's not accurate.
It might interest everyone to know that in the Original Draft of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson lambasted the British for forcing the slave trade on the colonies, but Congress took that part out.

The Civil War was fought only over slavery. Ask yourself what "state right" where they fighting over? Several states, famously including S. Carolina and Texas listed aggression towards slavery as their reason for cession, while most of the other Southern States gave a nod to S. Carolina's Causes. Historians seem to think that the other states only nodded to S. Carolina's Causes because they had an eye on world opinion and their need for support. European governments weren't keen on militarily supporting a slaver country.
Most of the other State's also listed an unbalanced distribution of federal tax dollars, and they were right that the South received the smallest share of taxes. But as the North was building factories and the west was homesteading, the South was staying the same. The South had few paved roads, canals, and trains. Basically they had only what they needed to ship Cotton to the Atlantic; Yet this is because their cast system was unchanging, so their infrastructure mirrored that.


There is a myth propagated by textbooks that the North was dependent upon the South for Agricultural reasons. It's not true. Originally the North was heavily dependent upon the South. That's why we had the 3/5ths compromise and the Mason-Dixon line. It's why there were so many Southerners in high offices. But as settlers moved west, the North used federal dollars to build roads, tracks, and canals across the Midwest for them. Farmers used the new trains and roads to send their previously locked crops back very cheaply. At that point, the North stopped being dependent upon the South, and they started fighting against Slavery at the Capital.
The Southerners tried to respond by forcing slavery into the west; everyone has heard of Bleeding Kansas. The poor farmers in Kansas and elsewhere knew that they couldn't compete against slave labor, so they didn't want slaves there either. When the South lost Kansas they knew that there was a third region/power that they would never control. Their time was limited. So they shelled us.

I only got one question for ya...

If the Civil War was fought only over slavery, then why did the Civil War start in 1861 but the Emancipation Proclamation was not drafted until 1863?

nice plug for Jefferson an his lambasting though. The East India Company was truly a son of a bitch

[Woodruff]

(Note: both of my children graduated from Biloxi High School and I have actually liked most of the Mississippians I've met).

I graduated from d'Iberville high.



judging from your military background ( best i can tell ) you must have been stationed at keesler?

i grew up in saucier. not sure how well you know the area.

Yes, I was stationed at Keesler for five years, from 2002 - 2007. FUCKING KATRINA.

[Woodruff]

America was the beginning of the end of slavery all around the world

This is not accurate. The British, for one, were ending slavery well before America was.

America, in the time of slavery, was always exactly as much as free country as it ever was a slave country

This is a disengenuous statement, at best...an intentionally misleading excuse, most likely.