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Re: Marriage

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 04, 2013 2:24 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:woodruff you may be different,
but for every young well mannered person, i show you 100 totally off track young people.


First of all, I am far from a young person.

Secondly, I deal with young people every single day in the high school where I teach. The large majority
of those young people are and will be fine citizens. I am quite certain the high school where I teach is
not particularly unusual in that regard.

The truth is that I remember my generation when we were young people. There isn't a lot that's different
between those youth and today's youth. If anything, today's youth are more socially conscious than the youth of my generation.
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Re: Marriage

Postby AslanTheKing on Sun May 05, 2013 3:36 pm

Woodruff wrote:
The truth is that I remember my generation when we were young people. There isn't a lot that's different
between those youth and today's youth. If anything, today's youth are more socially conscious than the youth of my generation.


i give u one simple example of the youth today
i dont want you to misunderstand me, i am not a youth hater,

young people are our future, and more important than our industry,
but i do worry about our young generation ( of course not the whole world population of young people)
but the mayority of young people today has been pampered from small on

of course we want to give our children everything, but our world has become so moneyoriented that young people
dont have the right direction anymore,
i am not talking about rich parents kids who go shopping with daddys creditcard

they dont understand the value of money anymore, they want the nicest dress, the most expensive shoes,...
every kid has an iphone, ......

our world has changed, were hammered with adverts in every corner,
and it does influence the younger generation today,
what values do they really get from there parents?
do the parents have the time to teach those kids the important things in life

when we where young, we had no mobilephone to call mum and dad if we where in trouble,
we climbed the highest trees, and swam in the most dangerous places, or jumped from bridges
or had accidents with a bike, ....
we had to learn responsibility, today you just make a phonecall to get help

we had to learn to survive, maybe i think so because i have been lucky

but today is a different life than 20 years ago

kids need direction and management, the problem is, that parents are not able today to do their job

and i am not blaming the parents, and i do not blame the kids

its just the way as it is
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Re: Marriage

Postby Woodruff on Sun May 05, 2013 7:16 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
The truth is that I remember my generation when we were young people. There isn't a lot that's different
between those youth and today's youth. If anything, today's youth are more socially conscious than the youth of my generation.


i give u one simple example of the youth today


Ok. But one example really doesn't show the whole.

AslanTheKing wrote:young people are our future, and more important than our industry


I certainly agree with that.

AslanTheKing wrote:but the mayority of young people today has been pampered from small on


In modernized America, most children have been pampered. That's not a surprise.

AslanTheKing wrote:of course we want to give our children everything, but our world has become so moneyoriented that young people
dont have the right direction anymore, i am not talking about rich parents kids who go shopping with daddys creditcard


Our world was always money-oriented. Both of my parents worked when I was a kid, because they wanted a higher standard of living.

AslanTheKing wrote:they dont understand the value of money anymore, they want the nicest dress, the most expensive shoes,...
every kid has an iphone, ...


EVERY kid doesn't have a iPhone, but I will agree that cell phones are prolific. But that's largely because they're pretty cheap. Kids work, so they have money to spend. I don't see their working as being a negative, to be honest. They're learning some lessons that I wish I had learned as a young person.

AslanTheKing wrote:our world has changed, were hammered with adverts in every corner,
and it does influence the younger generation today, what values do they really get from there parents?
do the parents have the time to teach those kids the important things in life


As much as the parents ever did...absolutely.

AslanTheKing wrote:when we where young, we had no mobilephone to call mum and dad if we where in trouble,
we climbed the highest trees, and swam in the most dangerous places, or jumped from bridges
or had accidents with a bike, ....
we had to learn responsibility, today you just make a phonecall to get help


Uh...you believe that having a cell phone on you absolves you of responsibility or the threat of danger? If a young person falls out of that "highest tree", that cell phone isn't going to keep their leg from breaking. It might get someone there to help more quickly, however...and that is a very good thing. If a young person is swimming in a place they shouldn't be, that cell phone isn't going to keep them from drowning. But it might get someone there who can save their life more quickly...and that is a very good thing. If a young person jumps from a bridge, that cell phone isn't going to make them land in a way that won't injure them, potentially badly. But it might get someone there who can help them...and that is a very good thing. That cell phone won't keep an accident with a bike from happening. But it might get someone there who can help more quickly...and that is a very good thing.

NONE OF THE ABOVE is pampering in any way. It's potentially life-saving, however.

AslanTheKing wrote:we had to learn to survive, maybe i think so because i have been lucky


Learn to survive? Kids know a lot about surviving...unfortunately, the economy is teaching them that lesson the hard way.

AslanTheKing wrote:but today is a different life than 20 years ago


Yes, today is different. We definitely live in a different world than we did when I was a kid. But the young people really haven't changed that much, at least in a negative way.

AslanTheKing wrote:kids need direction and management, the problem is, that parents are not able today to do their job


I don't really agree with that. I mean, it happens some...but it always did.

Look, I will agree for instance that kids don't "go out and play" as much as they did when I was a kid. I've even talked about this before. If I had prolific video games available to me when I was a kid, I probably wouldn't have either, given how much I enjoy video games. There are more distractions these days from "playing outside". When I was a kid, television had what...four channels? Sports were a relatively uncommon thing on television. Books were really "the distraction" that kept kids from going outside. So yes, I would like to see them get more exercise. But that doesn't affect WHO THEY ARE...it doesn't affect their concerns, their social awareness, their interest in the world. Frankly, young people today are FAR MORE aware of the world in general than kids of my age. That's a very good thing.

And all that being said, kids do still go out and play football. A bunch of my cadets were talking about doing it this past weekend (although it's been quite cold, so they may have changed their minds).
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Re: Marriage

Postby AslanTheKing on Mon May 06, 2013 4:20 am

u have listed the differences of today, it didnt influence the young people u know,
but in whole, it does influence them in many ways,
that doesnt make them to bad people, its is still a big difference,
in school we where not allowed to use computers for mathematics,
if i choose to spend time on the internet, than its because i can plan my time accordingly,

kids shouldnt be hackers with 10 years, or having a facebook account , ...

and talking about television, only sunday i was able to watch skychannel, from 8 to 12 there was cartoons,

today its 24 hours stupid cartoons for kids ( not the cartoons which inspire them ) aggressive cartoons

when parents go to eat out in a restaurant, kids are behind a nintendo ds , like robots

but this is the way it is, as all is changing, we humans do as well, our kids will face different difficulties and learn to master them,

what i hate is if kids get brainwashed and get a suicidebomb around them with 8 years,

kids can be patriotic as much as their parents,
but something like this is big time evil

i am not a saint, i am not perfect,
i wished i could change somethings in this world,
but i cant,
so i focus on myself, to be a better person ( sometimes)
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Long live the Army Of Kings !


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Re: Marriage

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon May 06, 2013 12:42 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:and talking about television, only sunday i was able to watch skychannel, from 8 to 12 there was cartoons,

today its 24 hours stupid cartoons for kids ( not the cartoons which inspire them ) aggressive cartoons



i am not a saint, i am not perfect,
i wished i could change somethings in this world,
but i cant,
so i focus on myself, to be a better person ( sometimes)


Just gotta keep changing the world one person at a time.


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Re: Marriage

Postby crispybits on Mon May 06, 2013 5:04 pm

I'm lost - how did we get off of marriage and on to "the kids of today"?
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Re: Marriage

Postby thegreekdog on Mon May 06, 2013 5:06 pm

crispybits wrote:I'm lost - how did we get off of marriage and on to "the kids of today"?


GET OFF MY LAWN!

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Re: Marriage

Postby Symmetry on Mon May 06, 2013 7:18 pm

crispybits wrote:I'm lost - how did we get off of marriage and on to "the kids of today"?


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Re: Marriage

Postby AslanTheKing on Tue May 07, 2013 6:17 pm

lol

but i also lol at andys cartoon video, lllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllll
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Re: Marriage

Postby Phatscotty on Tue May 07, 2013 6:22 pm

to say gender is irrelevant in marriage is to say gender is irrelevant, period.
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Re: Marriage

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue May 07, 2013 8:23 pm

Phatscotty wrote:I'm right because I'm right, period.


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Re: Marriage

Postby Phatscotty on Tue May 07, 2013 8:39 pm

In summary, gender matters.

The end
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Re: Marriage

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Tue May 07, 2013 9:18 pm

In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!
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Re: Marriage

Postby Phatscotty on Tue May 07, 2013 9:20 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. Let's start sharing bathrooms at all ages. Let's abolish boy scouts and girl scouts. Let's abolish all dress codes. Let's ban the words mother and father, brother and sister.
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Re: Marriage

Postby Baron Von PWN on Tue May 07, 2013 9:32 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. Let's start sharing bathrooms at all ages. Let's abolish boy scouts and girl scouts. Let's abolish all dress codes. Let's ban the words mother and father, brother and sister.


Because that is what is at issue here?

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Re: Marriage

Postby thegreekdog on Tue May 07, 2013 9:50 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. Let's start sharing bathrooms at all ages. Let's abolish boy scouts and girl scouts. Let's abolish all dress codes. Let's ban the words mother and father, brother and sister.


Because that is what is at issue here?

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He's spent the last 20+ pages of this thread not talking about gay marriage, so it's not like this is a shock.
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Re: Marriage

Postby Baron Von PWN on Tue May 07, 2013 11:19 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. Let's start sharing bathrooms at all ages. Let's abolish boy scouts and girl scouts. Let's abolish all dress codes. Let's ban the words mother and father, brother and sister.


Because that is what is at issue here?

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He's spent the last 20+ pages of this thread not talking about gay marriage, so it's not like this is a shock.


Not shocked, I just get so surprised at how silly he can be that I still feel the need to point it out on occasion.
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Re: Marriage

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Wed May 08, 2013 12:58 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. Let's start sharing bathrooms at all ages. Let's abolish boy scouts and girl scouts. Let's abolish all dress codes. Let's ban the words mother and father, brother and sister.


How's that freedom and liberty shtick of yours coming along? Cuz this sure sounds like freedom if I ever heard it!

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Re: Marriage

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Wed May 08, 2013 6:31 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. Let's start sharing bathrooms at all ages. Let's abolish boy scouts and girl scouts. Let's abolish all dress codes. Let's ban the words mother and father, brother and sister.


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Re: Marriage

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Wed May 08, 2013 6:33 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:How's that freedom and liberty shtick of yours coming along? Cuz this sure sounds like freedom if I ever heard it!

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Don't you see TG?

Granting any civil liberties beyond the ones that were considered standard when scotty was born would inevitably lead to a 1984 style government. It's as clear as day.

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Re: Marriage

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed May 08, 2013 6:35 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. .


So according to you a 14 year old male is a "man", but a female at 18 is a "girl"....

Newsflash, its not 1950 any longer.

And isn't it funny how you are all about freedom.. up until its something that has nothing to do with you, but somehow violates your very personnal ideas :roll: :roll:

More than a few of us here have objections to homoesxuality on various grounds, mostly religious. However, we understand that real freedom isn't just for those ideas with which we agree, its for everyone.

Frankly, there is far more harm being perpetuated by YOUR perpetuating unverified "information" than by 2 people living together in a committed relationship.
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Re: Marriage

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 08, 2013 10:39 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. Let's start sharing bathrooms at all ages. Let's abolish boy scouts and girl scouts. Let's abolish all dress codes. Let's ban the words mother and father, brother and sister.

PS, I'm with you, but we need to go even further.

We might as well just abolish gender, and force everyone to become unisexual, because it is pretty clear, that is where we are heading.

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Re: Marriage

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 08, 2013 11:41 am

Phatscotty wrote:to say gender is irrelevant in marriage is to say gender is irrelevant, period.


That really doesn't make any sense, Phatscotty. That is to say that gender is equivalent to marriage...does that actually make sense to you?
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Re: Marriage

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 08, 2013 11:42 am

Phatscotty wrote:In summary, gender matters.


It can, in some circumstances. But I see no reason why it would matter regarding marriage. Do you have any real reasons why it does matter? Who is harmed if "the gender you don't want" marries?
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Re: Marriage

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 08, 2013 11:44 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:In summary, gender doesn't matter.

THE DEBATE IS OVER!


Yup. Let's start letting men play on girls high school sports teams. Let's start sharing bathrooms at all ages. Let's abolish boy scouts and girl scouts. Let's abolish all dress codes. Let's ban the words mother and father, brother and sister.


I'm ok with everything you said there except for the "mother and father, brother and sister" bit, which is a red herring wrapped up in a lie anyway.

Eventually, high school sports teams are going to be uni-sex. It's just going to happen as girls catch up to boys more and more. Bathroom sharing is already happening.

Why do the boy scouts and girl scouts need to be abolished? Just merge them. Is this some sort of a "take my ball and go home" temper tantrum?

What are dress codes? No, I mean seriously...what do they accomplish?

Now, do you want to talk about marriage or continue with the distractions?
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