Democrats continue the Crises over Illegal Immigration

[jimboston]

That is because you fail to understand what a debate IS, JimB. There are TWO SIDES in any debate. On this entire page, there is ONLY one viewpoint presented: that is Against Illegal Immigration, as supported AND allowed by Biden, Kamala, and WHOEVER made decisions about such in the White House.

I’m so glad you are smart and can clearly see all perspectives on an issue. So smart to know that there are always (and only) TWO SIDES in any debate. No possibility for alternative views beyond the TWO SIDES that JP4 tells us about.

… but oh wait.. you tell us there are TWO SIDES, but them go to say there is only one viewpoint worth presenting. Yours.

So open minded and all seeing.

[Dukasaur]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-defying-supreme-court-172952540.html

President Donald Trump and his administration refuse to take action to get Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an immigrant wrongly rendered to the Salvadoran prison CECOT, out of El Salvador and back to the United States. In doing so, they are openly defying a Supreme Court order.

The question of whether and when Trump would find himself in defiance of a Supreme Court order has stalked the early months of his second administration. By pushing the law well beyond its limits, this confrontation seemed destined to happen. But the administration and the court have so far sought to avoid such a conflict, with the administration pretending to abide by court rulings through deflection and minimal compliance and the court deferring to the administration as though it is normal.

That is impossible to avoid now, unless the court chooses to stand down. In an order issued on April 11, a unanimous Supreme Court declared that a district court decision “properly requires the Government to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”

That is pretty straightforward. The government must abide by the district court’s orders to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s “release from custody in El Salvador” and bring him back to the U.S. “to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”

But Trump and his administration are spinning this decision as though they won and do not have to return Abrego Garcia to the U.S.

In an appearance alongside Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, Trump claimed that the Supreme Court ruled “in our favor” on Monday. Attorney General Pam Bondi stated that “Two courts ruled that [Abrego Garcia] was a member of MS-13,” and that the only thing the Supreme Court required of the administration was to “provide a plane” if Bukele chose to release him.

For his part, Bukele dismissed any suggestion he would release the Maryland man as “preposterous,” asking how he could “smuggle” a “terrorist” into the United States.

This is not what the record shows regarding accusations against Abrego Garcia, nor what the Supreme Court ruled. However, the way the court wrote its opinion provided Trump with the opening to take this defiant posture.

Abrego Garcia was removed along with over 250 Venezuelan and Salvadoran immigrants on three planes to CECOT on March 15. He had been arrested by ICE in a targeted operation in his home state of Maryland because he was accused, without evidence, of being a member of the gang MS-13 in 2019.

Abrego Garcia later challenged his detention, and the immigration judge found his testimony, including his refutation of gang affiliation, “credible” and “free of embellishment.” He was granted withholding removal status, which prevented him from being removed to El Salvador.

The Trump administration, however, sent Abrego Garcia to El Salvador anyway, to languish in prison for the rest of his life based on a discredited accusation of gang affiliation made six years ago.

Lawyers for the Department of Justice repeatedly admitted in court that Abrego Garcia had been wrongfully removed. But the administration has denied it has any power to effectuate his return.

In disobeying the Supreme Court’s order to get Abrego Garcia out of CECOT and back to the U.S., the administration is now making false statements about what the court ordered while taking an openly defiant posture against the district court hearing the case.

[jusplay4fun]

What Duk and other Liberals forget:

Today, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem set the record straight about Kilmar Abrego Garcia in light of misleading mainstream media reports. (...)

In addition, DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia Mclaughlin reaffirmed that this MS-13 terrorist gang member is where he belongs.

“I think this illegal alien is exactly where he belongs—home in El Salvador. He was in our country illegally, he is from El Salvador, was born in El Salvador, and, oh, the media forgot to mention: He is a MS-13 gang member.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/14/icymi-dhs-sets-record-straight-about-kilmar-abrego-garcia#:~:text=He%20was%20in%20our%20country,a%20MS%2D13%20gang%20member.

and, btw:

El Salvador President Bukele says he won’t be releasing a Maryland man back to the US

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-white-house-el-salvador-kilmar-abrego-garcia-ad338d6b4558a6aba80e8290fd3eece9

Rather than wasting tears for an ILLEGAL immigrant, a CRIMINAL and a gang member, let's put more energy and tears elsewhere. Maybe we should shed tears for victims of gang violence, in Haiti, the US, El Salvador, and many other places in the world.

Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran national, entered the US illegally

There is plentry here to debate this issue even more; I do not care to do so:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/14/politics/what-to-know-about-the-kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-case/index.html

and speaking of Liberals:

Trace Gallagher: Bernie brought his ‘bucket of billionaire hate’ to the big stage
'Common Sense' Department: Bernie Sanders takes his billionaire-bashing tour to Coachella, because nothing says 'down with the rich' like $1,300 tickets and $75 nachos.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6371499816112
Can anyone say HYPOCRISY?

and more:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6371268466112

[jusplay4fun]

That is because you fail to understand what a debate IS, JimB. There are TWO SIDES in any debate. On this entire page, there is ONLY one viewpoint presented: that is Against Illegal Immigration, as supported AND allowed by Biden, Kamala, and WHOEVER made decisions about such in the White House.

I’m so glad you are smart and can clearly see all perspectives on an issue. So smart to know that there are always (and only) TWO SIDES in any debate. No possibility for alternative views beyond the TWO SIDES that JP4 tells us about.

… but oh wait.. you tell us there are TWO SIDES, but them go to say there is only one viewpoint worth presenting. Yours.

So open minded and all seeing.

JimB, I am glad you are FINALLY SEEING THE LIGHT..!

Good for you, JimB. There is HOPE.

Your perspicuity is wonderful to NOTE here.

Let me CLARIFY something: there are two sides in a Debate, as in debate between two persons or two positions. I did NOT say that there are only two sides on any OTHER matter or issue. Sorry to burst your bubble, JimB, but your "GOTCHA" ain't ain;t a gotcha. I GOTCHA..!

A debate is a structured discussion where two or more people present arguments for and against a particular topic or proposition, often with the goal of persuading an audience or decision-makers. It's a formal process involving reasoning, evidence, and the exchange of opposing viewpoints.

Examples:
Debates can occur in various settings, such as political campaigns, classrooms, legal proceedings, or even everyday conversations.

and

What is the best definition of "debate"?
A debate is a thoughtful and reasoned presentation of opposing persuasive arguments. These arguments can be presented in situations such as a competition, a classroom, or a legislative group attempting to make decisions.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-debate-definition-overview.html#:~:text=A%20debate%20is%20a%20thoughtful,arguments%20are%20researched%20and%20presented.

[Dukasaur]

What Duk and other Liberals forget:

Today, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem set the record straight once again repeated Trumpist lies about Kilmar Abrego Garcia in light of misleading mainstream media reports. (...)

In addition, DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia Mclaughlin reaffirmed alleged, once again without evidence that this MS-13 terrorist gang member is where he belongs.

[bigtoughralf]

After rounding up and deporting foreign nationals for actions including peaceful protest, Trump is now drawing up plans to start deporting US citizens:

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/trump ... 7322821769

Hope jim doesn't have plans to say anything that upsets his local police or he might find himself in a south American mega jail!

[jimboston]

After rounding up and deporting foreign nationals for actions including peaceful protest, Trump is now drawing up plans to start deporting US citizens:

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/trump ... 7322821769

Hope jim doesn't have plans to say anything that upsets his local police or he might find himself in a south American mega jail!

He’s saving this policy for his third term.

[KoolBak]

Violent criminals.

Of course MrSwke thinks they should be treated like law abiding citizens. Par for the course. I'm SO glad NPCs can't vote.

Idiot.

[mookiemcgee]

The Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an interesting one, but ultimately he came here illegally and almost certainly would have been deported LEGALLY after his due process had run it's course. Perhaps he would have been granted asylum, and perhaps I higher court could have reviewed this and sided with Trumps team. We can argue back and fort about him being a violent criminal, he has never been charged or convicted with a violent crime in El Salvador or the US. The only evidence that he was in MS-13 appears to be that a single federal agent claim he had a tattoo that may have been gang related. There is no other evidence he was ever in a gang and has never been tied to any gang related activity, nor has he been accused of socializing with any ms-13 members ever. He did commit the crime of entering the country illegally though, that part is undeniable. A judge ordered him not to be deported until his due process/claim of asylum had been ruled on, that is also undeniable.

In the end this case is really not about Garcia, it's about the executive ignoring the courts and refusing someone due process in direct conflict with a court order that he not be deported (YET).

As far as the soundbite of Trump telling Bukele to build more prisons, because next we are doing American citizens... if this doesn't scare you it's because you aren't thinking far enough ahead.

Trump is a convicted criminal, whatever your feeling on that are it's a verifiable fact. Just imagine if Trump starts doing this, and then in 2028 a democrat is elected president... and then that president deported Trump to a foreign prison based on him being a convicted criminal...Is it fair to assume that all of you who think deporting US citizens who have committed crimes to foreign prisons... you might take issue with this? Will you then wish you had a court system that the executive branch couldn't just ignore? If we empower the executive branch to being above and beyond any court then hypotheticals like this become alot less hypothetical pretty quickly. Any we no longer have 3 functioning branches of gov't designed to check and balance each other. You guys may cheer this on now, but at that point there is no longer denying we are an authoritarian gov't and not a republic or a democracy anymore. We have a single leader who has the authority to do anything he wants to any american for any reason, and the only remaining remedy gov't overthrow.

[KoolBak]

Lol. Sounds bleak.

Yet some of us believe he's doing a great job. Huh.

[mookiemcgee]

Being in favor of Trump (or anyone) becoming supreme authoritarian ruler of america is a totally valid opinion you to have. Maybe everything was so broken it's the best available option.

[muy_thaiguy]

Ah yes, if its already broken, just break it some more. Then dump a gallon of glue over the pieces, dump some gasoline over it, set it on fire, and call it, "Making 'Murica Great Again!"

BTW, we're still in the gallon of glue part right now.

[KoolBak]

*yawn*

[muy_thaiguy]

Lol. Sounds bleak.

Yet some of us believe he's doing a great job. Huh.

Tarrifs on penguins?

[Dukasaur]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/judge-finds-probable-cause-to-hold-trump-administration-in-contempt-for-violating-deportation-order/

WASHINGTON — A U.S. federal judge on Wednesday said he has found probable cause to hold the Trump administration in criminal contempt of court and warned he could seek officials’ prosecution for violating his orders last month to turn around planes carrying deportees to an El Salvador prison.

The ruling from U.S District Judge James E. Boasberg, whom President Donald Trump has said should be impeached, marks a dramatic battle between the judicial and executive branches of government over the president’s powers to carry out key White House priorities.

Boasberg accused administration officials of rushing deportees out of the country under the Alien Enemies Act last month before they could challenge their removal in court, and then willfully disregarding his order that planes already in the air should return to the United States.

The judge said he could hold hearings and potentially refer the matter for prosecution if the administration does not act to remedy the violation. If Trump’s Justice Department leadership declines to prosecute the matter, Boasberg said he will appoint another attorney to do so.

“The Constitution does not tolerate willful disobedience of judicial orders -- especially by officials of a coordinate branch who have sworn an oath to uphold it,” wrote Boasberg, the chief judge of Washington’s federal court.

[jimboston]

The problem is that the Justice Dept. is unlikely to take up any case referred by said judge.

This one example of why what is happening at Justice is THE MOST DANGEROUS thing that Trump is doing.

[Dukasaur]

The problem is that the Justice Dept. is unlikely to take up any case referred by said judge.

This one example of why what is happening at Justice is THE MOST DANGEROUS thing that Trump is doing.

Yup.

The fall of the Republic. Rome lasted twice as long before diving into despotism.

[jusplay4fun]

What Duk and other Liberals forget:

Today, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem set the record straight about Kilmar Abrego Garcia in light of misleading mainstream media reports. (...)

In addition, DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia Mclaughlin reaffirmed that this MS-13 terrorist gang member is where he belongs.

“I think this illegal alien is exactly where he belongs—home in El Salvador. He was in our country illegally, he is from El Salvador, was born in El Salvador, and, oh, the media forgot to mention: He is a MS-13 gang member.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/14/icymi-dhs-sets-record-straight-about-kilmar-abrego-garcia#:~:text=He%20was%20in%20our%20country,a%20MS%2D13%20gang%20member.

and, btw:

El Salvador President Bukele says he won’t be releasing a Maryland man back to the US

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-white-house-el-salvador-kilmar-abrego-garcia-ad338d6b4558a6aba80e8290fd3eece9

Rather than wasting tears for an ILLEGAL immigrant, a CRIMINAL and a gang member, let's put more energy and tears elsewhere. Maybe we should shed tears for victims of gang violence, in Haiti, the US, El Salvador, and many other places in the world.

Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran national, entered the US illegally

There is plentry here to debate this issue even more; I do not care to do so:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/14/politics/what-to-know-about-the-kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-case/index.html

and speaking of Liberals:

Trace Gallagher: Bernie brought his ‘bucket of billionaire hate’ to the big stage
'Common Sense' Department: Bernie Sanders takes his billionaire-bashing tour to Coachella, because nothing says 'down with the rich' like $1,300 tickets and $75 nachos.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6371499816112
Can anyone say HYPOCRISY?

and more:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6371268466112

Duk only refutes a SMALL portion of what I posted earlier. Here are some additional facts and updates about Abrego Garcia. NOW we learn:

In documents provided to WTOP, DHS claimed when Abrego Garcia was questioned by Hyattsville police in a Home Depot parking lot in March 2019, he was with two other members of MS-13 and had marijuana and rolls of cash on his person. The agency also claimed he “freely admitted” to being in the United States illegally.

ALSO:

The comments from Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele mark a key turning point in the legal saga over Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, who has become a political pawn in the Trump administration’s quest to dramatically expand the power of the presidency over immigration matters as President Donald Trump pursues a deportation campaign.

US President Donald Trump and El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele.
Related article
White House and Bukele make clear Abrego Garcia won’t be returned to US

During a meeting with Trump in the Oval Office, Bukele told reporters that while he has the power to release Abrego Garcia, his administration isn’t “very fond of releasing terrorists” being detained in his country.

US officials have alleged that Abrego Garcia is a member of the MS-13 gang, which the Trump administration has designated as a foreign terrorist organization.

and:

Homeland Security
@DHSgov
Kilmar Abrego Garcia had a history of violence and was not the upstanding “Maryland Man” the media has portrayed him as.

According to court filings, Garcia’s wife sought a domestic violence restraining order against him, claiming he punched, scratched, and ripped off her shirt, among other harm.

This MS-13 gang member is not a sympathetic figure.

and:

Judge Xinis has requested daily updates on what steps are being undertaken to bring him back to the US.

But in Wednesday's status report, acting general counsel at the Department of Homeland Security Joseph Mazzara told the court there were "no further updates".

The White House press secretary was joined at Wednesday's briefing by the mother of a Maryland woman who was murdered in August 2023 by an alleged illegal immigrant from El Salvador.

Patty Morin shared graphic details of her daughter Rachel Morin's death at the hands of Victor Martinez-Hernandez, who was found guilty on Monday.

"We are American citizens," said Patty Morin. "We need to protect our families, our borders, our children."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20xzdxk53no

AND:

'Maryland man' Kilmar Abrego Garcia exposed in police records as 'violent' repeat wife beater
Garcia, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador with alleged ties to MS-13, was dubbed a 'Maryland man' by Democrats and left-wing media

A now-deported illegal alien accused of being an MS-13 gang member that was living illegally in Maryland has a record of being a "violent" repeat wife beater, according to court records filed in a Prince George’s County, Maryland, district court by his wife.

Fox News obtained the written domestic violence allegations filed in court against 29-year-old Kilmar Abrego Garcia by his wife, Jennifer Vasquez, in 2021.

In the filing, written in Vasquez’s own handwriting, she alleges Abrego Garcia repeatedly beat her, writing: "At this point, I am afraid to be close to him. I have multiple photos/videos of how violent he can be and all the bruises he [has] left me."

Vasquez alleged that Abrego Garcia punched and scratched her on her eye, leaving her bleeding. He also allegedly threw her laptop on the floor.

She wrote that on another day, Abrego Garcia got angry again, started yelling, and ripped her shirt and shorts off before grabbing her arm and leaving marks.

Vasquez recalled two times in 2020 that Abrego Garcia hit her.

"In November 2020, he hit me with his work boot," she wrote. "In August 2020, he hit me in the eye leaving a purple eye." (...)

Additionally, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released court documents regarding Abrego Garcia, which cast further doubt on the Democrats' narrative about his innocence.

The police department’s Gang Unit MS-13 Intelligence Squad conducted an interview with Abrego Garcia and contacted a "past proven and reliable source" who identified him as an active member of MS-13 with the "Westerns" clique, with the rank of "Chequeo" and the moniker of "Chele." (...)

On Wednesday, Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., flew to El Salvador to visit Abrego Garcia in prison and work to secure his release. His trip has been criticized by many, including the mother of Rachel Morin, a 39-year-old Maryland mother who was raped and murdered by a Salvadoran illegal immigrant in 2023.

"To have a senator from Maryland who didn't even acknowledge, or barely acknowledge, my daughter and the brutal death that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother and now a grandbaby without a grandmother so that he can use my taxpayer money to fly to El Salvador to bring back someone that's not even an American citizen. Why does that person have more rights than I do, or my daughter, or my grandchildren? I don't understand this," she said.

On Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security doubled down, saying Abrego Garcia has a "history of violence and was not the upstanding ‘Maryland Man’ the media has portrayed him as."

DHS shared court filings in which Abrego Garcia’s wife, Jennifer Vasquez, sought a domestic violence restraining order against him, claiming he "punched, scratched, and ripped off her shirt."

And a 2019 DHS interview document shared with Fox News shows Abrego Garcia admitted to being in the U.S. illegally and claimed to have "walked across the desert for many days entering illegally into the United States near McAllen, Texas on or about March 25, 2012."

As a result, Abrego Garcia was marked as eligible for deportation in 2019.

(...)
A federal immigration court in Baltimore further determined Abrego Garcia was not eligible for release because he "failed to meet his burden of demonstrating that his release from custody would not pose a danger to others, as the evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13."

The court held that "the fact that a ‘past, proven, and reliable source of infonnation [sic]’ verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member" and that Abrego had "failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

"Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not a ‘Maryland Man’—he is an MS-13 gang member involved in human trafficking who entered the United States illegally," DHS posted on X. "His deportation to El Salvador was always going to be the end result."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-exposed-police-records-violent-repeat-wife-beater

I also posted this and Duk conveniently IGNORED this "SMALL" detail:

Rather than wasting tears for an ILLEGAL immigrant, a CRIMINAL and a gang member, let's put more energy and tears elsewhere. Maybe we should shed tears for victims of gang violence, in Haiti, the US, El Salvador, and many other places in the world.

Let us now put at least ONE name to the victims of the violence that I mentioned:

Politics
Mother of murdered Maryland woman Rachel Morin joins White House briefing
By Paulina Smolinski
April 16, 2025 / 8:08 PM EDT / CBS News

Patty Morin, whose daughter Rachel was raped and murdered by a fugitive from El Salvador in 2023, joined press secretary Karoline Leavitt at a White House briefing on Wednesday.

Morin described in detail the murder of her daughter, a 37-year-old mother of five, as she was exercising on a hiking trail outside of Baltimore.

Victor Martinez-Hernandez, 24, was convicted of the attack on Monday.

"This person took my daughter so violently and so gruesomely and so graphically that they sealed the pictures because I don't want my granddaughters to see these pictures," said Morin.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rachel-morin-mother-trump-white-house-briefing/

Other victims: Abrego Garcia's wife. Did anyone forget Laken Riley? Are there more victims of savage crimes committed by illegal immigrants?

N.B.: Abrego Garcia is an illegal immigrant, a repeat offender who beat his wife, and has strong ties to a gang.

[muy_thaiguy]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno
Garcia is alleged to be a gang member because he once wore a Chicago Bulls hat in a parking lot, was granted a Withholding of Removal, checked in with Immigration officials yearly since, without missing any, his wife decided not to pursue her allegations and instead the two worked through their issues and went to counseling, she has denied him being in MS-13, and he was deported without due process.

The last part, and what the orange turd has said since, SHOULD raise alarm bells if you have ANY love for the constitution and want to be free to criticize politicians. Because Trump has spoken about wanting to do the same to actual citizens if he doesn't like them.

Tell me, justplay, if Biden had done something similar, would you be happy? Would you support such actions? You know, imprisoning people without due process, like a dictator? Or do you hate due process so much, that you don't even care if its ignored, despite it being a key part of our constitutional liberties?

[jusplay4fun]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno
Garcia is alleged to be a gang member because he once wore a Chicago Bulls hat in a parking lot, was granted a Withholding of Removal, checked in with Immigration officials yearly since, without missing any, his wife decided not to pursue her allegations and instead the two worked through their issues and went to counseling, she has denied him being in MS-13, and he was deported without due process.

The last part, and what the orange turd has said since, SHOULD raise alarm bells if you have ANY love for the constitution and want to be free to criticize politicians. Because Trump has spoken about wanting to do the same to actual citizens if he doesn't like them.

Tell me, justplay, if Biden had done something similar, would you be happy? Would you support such actions? You know, imprisoning people without due process, like a dictator? Or do you hate due process so much, that you don't even care if its ignored, despite it being a key part of our constitutional liberties?

What you say is NOT all TRUE and you ignore 90% of what I posted to raise ONE issue for one non-citizen. This, imo, is not worthy of ALL the time I have spent so far on this one person. If this is an important CONSTITUTIONAL matter as you (and others) suggest, it will be fought by Lawyers before the Supreme Court. Grandstanding folks, such as the Senator from Maryland, are simply trying to maximize political points out of this matter when they SHOULD ALSO be concerned about CITIZENS harmed and injured and KILLED by illegal citizens.

Dem Senator Van Hollen meets, shakes hands with Abrego Garcia; El Salvador says inmate will remain in custody
Sen. Van Hollen: 'I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar. Tonight I had that chance'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-senator-meets-shakes-hands-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-says-inmate-remain-custody

AND YES, I do appreciate and do understand that this matter MAY BE THAT important to go to the SCOTUS. I certainly am of the opinion that Due Process in an important legal concept and can understand what this ONE case of this one person may mean to the Notion of Due Process.

Do you have any other issues with actual insights to bring forward for discussion? Or are you merely here to lob Molotov Cocktails?

[Dukasaur]

Duk only refutes a SMALL portion of what I posted earlier. Here are some additional facts and updates about Abrego Garcia. NOW we learn:

In documents provided to WTOP, DHS claimed when Abrego Garcia was questioned by Hyattsville police in a Home Depot parking lot in March 2019, he was with two other members of MS-13 and had marijuana and rolls of cash on his person. The agency also claimed he “freely admitted” to being in the United States illegally.

Mysterious documents provided to a radio station but for some reason not introduced in court. Could that be because judges are a little less gullible and able to ask more probing questions about people's allegations?

ALSO:
Read your own sources.

The comments from Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele mark a key turning point in the legal saga over Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, who has become a political pawn in the Trump administration’s quest to dramatically expand the power of the presidency over immigration matters as President Donald Trump pursues a deportation campaign.

[muy_thaiguy]

What you say is NOT all TRUE and you ignore 90% of what I posted to raise ONE issue for one non-citizen. This, imo, is not worthy of ALL the time I have spent so far on this one person. If this is an important CONSTITUTIONAL matter as you (and others) suggest, it will be fought by Lawyers before the Supreme Court. Grandstanding folks, such as the Senator from Maryland, are simply trying to maximize political points out of this matter when they SHOULD ALSO be concerned about CITIZENS harmed and injured and KILLED by illegal citizens.

The vast, VAST majority of illegal citizens do NOT harm or kill US citizens. They're just trying to have a better life, and not attract the attention of law enforcement. So if someone is convicted of a crime, particularly violent crimes, prosecute away. Be they illegals, rioters, or insurrectionists. Unfortunately for you, Abrego Garcia has NOT been convicted of any crimes, let alone violent or gang related. That's both in the US and El Salvador.

Dem Senator Van Hollen meets, shakes hands with Abrego Garcia; El Salvador says inmate will remain in custody
Sen. Van Hollen: 'I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar. Tonight I had that chance'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-senator-meets-shakes-hands-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-says-inmate-remain-custody

AND YES, I do appreciate and do understand that this matter MAY BE THAT important to go to the SCOTUS. I certainly am of the opinion that Due Process in an important legal concept and can understand what this ONE case of this one person may mean to the Notion of Due Process.

Do you have any other issues with actual insights to bring forward for discussion? Or are you merely here to lob Molotov Cocktails?

Like how you're lobbing molotovs? You keep trying to frame a man that was wrongfully deported. A husband, father, and member of the community. You keep trying to equate him, and seemingly all people not in the US by legal means, as violent criminals out to kill people.

[mookiemcgee]

What Duk and other Liberals forget:

Today, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem set the record straight about Kilmar Abrego Garcia in light of misleading mainstream media reports. (...)

In addition, DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia Mclaughlin reaffirmed that this MS-13 terrorist gang member is where he belongs.

“I think this illegal alien is exactly where he belongs—home in El Salvador. He was in our country illegally, he is from El Salvador, was born in El Salvador, and, oh, the media forgot to mention: He is a MS-13 gang member.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/14/icymi-dhs-sets-record-straight-about-kilmar-abrego-garcia#:~:text=He%20was%20in%20our%20country,a%20MS%2D13%20gang%20member.

and, btw:

El Salvador President Bukele says he won’t be releasing a Maryland man back to the US

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-white-house-el-salvador-kilmar-abrego-garcia-ad338d6b4558a6aba80e8290fd3eece9

Rather than wasting tears for an ILLEGAL immigrant, a CRIMINAL and a gang member, let's put more energy and tears elsewhere. Maybe we should shed tears for victims of gang violence, in Haiti, the US, El Salvador, and many other places in the world.

Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran national, entered the US illegally

There is plentry here to debate this issue even more; I do not care to do so:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/14/politics/what-to-know-about-the-kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-case/index.html

and speaking of Liberals:

Trace Gallagher: Bernie brought his ‘bucket of billionaire hate’ to the big stage
'Common Sense' Department: Bernie Sanders takes his billionaire-bashing tour to Coachella, because nothing says 'down with the rich' like $1,300 tickets and $75 nachos.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6371499816112
Can anyone say HYPOCRISY?

and more:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6371268466112

Duk only refutes a SMALL portion of what I posted earlier. Here are some additional facts and updates about Abrego Garcia. NOW we learn:

In documents provided to WTOP, DHS claimed when Abrego Garcia was questioned by Hyattsville police in a Home Depot parking lot in March 2019, he was with two other members of MS-13 and had marijuana and rolls of cash on his person. The agency also claimed he “freely admitted” to being in the United States illegally.

ALSO:

The comments from Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele mark a key turning point in the legal saga over Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, who has become a political pawn in the Trump administration’s quest to dramatically expand the power of the presidency over immigration matters as President Donald Trump pursues a deportation campaign.

US President Donald Trump and El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele.
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White House and Bukele make clear Abrego Garcia won’t be returned to US

During a meeting with Trump in the Oval Office, Bukele told reporters that while he has the power to release Abrego Garcia, his administration isn’t “very fond of releasing terrorists” being detained in his country.

US officials have alleged that Abrego Garcia is a member of the MS-13 gang, which the Trump administration has designated as a foreign terrorist organization.

and:

Homeland Security
@DHSgov
Kilmar Abrego Garcia had a history of violence and was not the upstanding “Maryland Man” the media has portrayed him as.

According to court filings, Garcia’s wife sought a domestic violence restraining order against him, claiming he punched, scratched, and ripped off her shirt, among other harm.

This MS-13 gang member is not a sympathetic figure.

and:

Judge Xinis has requested daily updates on what steps are being undertaken to bring him back to the US.

But in Wednesday's status report, acting general counsel at the Department of Homeland Security Joseph Mazzara told the court there were "no further updates".

The White House press secretary was joined at Wednesday's briefing by the mother of a Maryland woman who was murdered in August 2023 by an alleged illegal immigrant from El Salvador.

Patty Morin shared graphic details of her daughter Rachel Morin's death at the hands of Victor Martinez-Hernandez, who was found guilty on Monday.

"We are American citizens," said Patty Morin. "We need to protect our families, our borders, our children."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20xzdxk53no

AND:

'Maryland man' Kilmar Abrego Garcia exposed in police records as 'violent' repeat wife beater
Garcia, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador with alleged ties to MS-13, was dubbed a 'Maryland man' by Democrats and left-wing media

A now-deported illegal alien accused of being an MS-13 gang member that was living illegally in Maryland has a record of being a "violent" repeat wife beater, according to court records filed in a Prince George’s County, Maryland, district court by his wife.

Fox News obtained the written domestic violence allegations filed in court against 29-year-old Kilmar Abrego Garcia by his wife, Jennifer Vasquez, in 2021.

In the filing, written in Vasquez’s own handwriting, she alleges Abrego Garcia repeatedly beat her, writing: "At this point, I am afraid to be close to him. I have multiple photos/videos of how violent he can be and all the bruises he [has] left me."

Vasquez alleged that Abrego Garcia punched and scratched her on her eye, leaving her bleeding. He also allegedly threw her laptop on the floor.

She wrote that on another day, Abrego Garcia got angry again, started yelling, and ripped her shirt and shorts off before grabbing her arm and leaving marks.

Vasquez recalled two times in 2020 that Abrego Garcia hit her.

"In November 2020, he hit me with his work boot," she wrote. "In August 2020, he hit me in the eye leaving a purple eye." (...)

Additionally, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released court documents regarding Abrego Garcia, which cast further doubt on the Democrats' narrative about his innocence.

The police department’s Gang Unit MS-13 Intelligence Squad conducted an interview with Abrego Garcia and contacted a "past proven and reliable source" who identified him as an active member of MS-13 with the "Westerns" clique, with the rank of "Chequeo" and the moniker of "Chele." (...)

On Wednesday, Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., flew to El Salvador to visit Abrego Garcia in prison and work to secure his release. His trip has been criticized by many, including the mother of Rachel Morin, a 39-year-old Maryland mother who was raped and murdered by a Salvadoran illegal immigrant in 2023.

"To have a senator from Maryland who didn't even acknowledge, or barely acknowledge, my daughter and the brutal death that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother and now a grandbaby without a grandmother so that he can use my taxpayer money to fly to El Salvador to bring back someone that's not even an American citizen. Why does that person have more rights than I do, or my daughter, or my grandchildren? I don't understand this," she said.

On Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security doubled down, saying Abrego Garcia has a "history of violence and was not the upstanding ‘Maryland Man’ the media has portrayed him as."

DHS shared court filings in which Abrego Garcia’s wife, Jennifer Vasquez, sought a domestic violence restraining order against him, claiming he "punched, scratched, and ripped off her shirt."

And a 2019 DHS interview document shared with Fox News shows Abrego Garcia admitted to being in the U.S. illegally and claimed to have "walked across the desert for many days entering illegally into the United States near McAllen, Texas on or about March 25, 2012."

As a result, Abrego Garcia was marked as eligible for deportation in 2019.

(...)
A federal immigration court in Baltimore further determined Abrego Garcia was not eligible for release because he "failed to meet his burden of demonstrating that his release from custody would not pose a danger to others, as the evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13."

The court held that "the fact that a ‘past, proven, and reliable source of infonnation [sic]’ verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member" and that Abrego had "failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

"Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not a ‘Maryland Man’—he is an MS-13 gang member involved in human trafficking who entered the United States illegally," DHS posted on X. "His deportation to El Salvador was always going to be the end result."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-exposed-police-records-violent-repeat-wife-beater

I also posted this and Duk conveniently IGNORED this "SMALL" detail:

Rather than wasting tears for an ILLEGAL immigrant, a CRIMINAL and a gang member, let's put more energy and tears elsewhere. Maybe we should shed tears for victims of gang violence, in Haiti, the US, El Salvador, and many other places in the world.

Let us now put at least ONE name to the victims of the violence that I mentioned:

Politics
Mother of murdered Maryland woman Rachel Morin joins White House briefing
By Paulina Smolinski
April 16, 2025 / 8:08 PM EDT / CBS News

Patty Morin, whose daughter Rachel was raped and murdered by a fugitive from El Salvador in 2023, joined press secretary Karoline Leavitt at a White House briefing on Wednesday.

Morin described in detail the murder of her daughter, a 37-year-old mother of five, as she was exercising on a hiking trail outside of Baltimore.

Victor Martinez-Hernandez, 24, was convicted of the attack on Monday.

"This person took my daughter so violently and so gruesomely and so graphically that they sealed the pictures because I don't want my granddaughters to see these pictures," said Morin.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rachel-morin-mother-trump-white-house-briefing/

Other victims: Abrego Garcia's wife. Did anyone forget Laken Riley? Are there more victims of savage crimes committed by illegal immigrants?

N.B.: Abrego Garcia is an illegal immigrant, a repeat offender who beat his wife, and has strong ties to a gang.

Since you accused others of ignoring 90% of what you wrote, i will address it here.

100% of what you wrote is irrelevant to this case. A US judge ordered he not be deported, the court gave him temporary legal status. Nothing about his non-existant criminal record is relevant to this case. If the gov't is confident that Abrego is MS-13, and a wife beater, and should be deported to El Salvador then they can say it in court and get a deportation order put in place.

All that is relevant to this case is that the executive branch is purposely ignoring the judicial branch. The Supreme Court ruled the executive had to 'facilitate' returning him. The executive branch is not facilitating returning him.

Yesterday J. Harvie Wilkinson III, a lifelong republican judge appointed by Reagan and had been on multiple republican administrations 'possible supreme court nominee short lists' wrote an opinion yesterday you should read if you think that this is all 'the sky is falling' bullshit that should be left to the courts. You can't leave something to the courts if the executive is ignoring court orders.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 00.8.0.pdf

"It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear. "


If Abrego was returned to the USA, he would likely go through his due process and be then LEGALLY deported. Why are you, Jusplay4fun so against doing things legally?

[jusplay4fun]

Of course I am in favor of Due Process. Of course I understand its importance as a fundamental legal concept and value its importance. I said that the SCOTUS would have a say in much of this issue of deportation of Illegal Immigrants. Of course SCOTUS and many other courts would have a legal opinion and order on the matter.

Please see: https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=242209&start=100

I said earlier, and probably did not make my point as cogently as I wanted, the Courts will have a big say in this matter of Illegal Immigration. And while we are at this, I see Trump's attempt to end Birthright citizenship as STOOOOPID.

If this is an important CONSTITUTIONAL matter as you (and others) suggest, it will be fought by Lawyers before the Supreme Court.

This is stately more clearly:

AND YES, I do appreciate and do understand that this matter MAY BE THAT important to go to the SCOTUS.

[jusplay4fun]

What you say is NOT all TRUE and you ignore 90% of what I posted to raise ONE issue for one non-citizen. This, imo, is not worthy of ALL the time I have spent so far on this one person. If this is an important CONSTITUTIONAL matter as you (and others) suggest, it will be fought by Lawyers before the Supreme Court. Grandstanding folks, such as the Senator from Maryland, are simply trying to maximize political points out of this matter when they SHOULD ALSO be concerned about CITIZENS harmed and injured and KILLED by illegal citizens.

The vast, VAST majority of illegal citizens do NOT harm or kill US citizens. They're just trying to have a better life, and not attract the attention of law enforcement. So if someone is convicted of a crime, particularly violent crimes, prosecute away. Be they illegals, rioters, or insurrectionists. Unfortunately for you, Abrego Garcia has NOT been convicted of any crimes, let alone violent or gang related. That's both in the US and El Salvador.

Dem Senator Van Hollen meets, shakes hands with Abrego Garcia; El Salvador says inmate will remain in custody
Sen. Van Hollen: 'I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar. Tonight I had that chance'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-senator-meets-shakes-hands-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-says-inmate-remain-custody

AND YES, I do appreciate and do understand that this matter MAY BE THAT important to go to the SCOTUS. I certainly am of the opinion that Due Process in an important legal concept and can understand what this ONE case of this one person may mean to the Notion of Due Process.

Do you have any other issues with actual insights to bring forward for discussion? Or are you merely here to lob Molotov Cocktails?

Like how you're lobbing molotovs? You keep trying to frame a man that was wrongfully deported. A husband, father, and member of the community. You keep trying to equate him, and seemingly all people not in the US by legal means, as violent criminals out to kill people.

First, you are WRONG: I did not try to frame this one person as representative of ALL immigrants, illegal or legal. Duk tried that a while back and I CLEARLY and COGENTLY refuted that false allegation.

Second of all, you finally offer more than one incendiary (very controversial) idea and more than one sentence; hence you were lobbing Molotov Cocktails.

Third, even if you do not agree with or even LIKE my basic tenet, you can easily see that I support many of my notions (and posts, especially recently in this thread) with LOTS of EVIDENCE, support, quotes, abd ideas and words of others. And you have offered LITTLE such support, as I recall. Hence, you lob Molotov Cocktails.

Let me offer one (of many possible) definition of a "controversial idea": If the matter goes to courts (and is not simply prosecuted by the DOJ), and is appealed, it is controversial.

Deportation of Illegal Immigrants, the main thrust of this thread NOW, IS and has been a controversial idea.

I will add also that Trump is trying to fix many of the problems created by STUPID, short-sighted, and FEEBLE Old Joe Biden. Having OPEN borders is one of many such problems.