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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Aug 16, 2025 6:00 am

jusplay4fun wrote:
When was inflation the worst in the past 10 years? I know this will be a shock to Duk, but Blame Biden:

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Over the last 10 years (2015-2024), the US inflation rate has fluctuated, with a notable increase in the latter part of the period. From 2015 to 2020, inflation was relatively low, averaging around 1.7%. However, in 2021 and 2022, the inflation rate surged, reaching 7.0% and 6.5% respectively, driven in part by the pandemic and supply chain issues. By the end of 2023, it had moderated to 3.4%, and by the end of 2024, it was 2.9%, according to Investopedia.

Pretty clear evidence. From your own quote, inflation was 7.0 as the start of the Biden administration, due to the insane Trump deficits. Declined steadily throughout the Biden years, as more rational management took hold. By the end of the Biden years, inflation had reached 2.9, still not at target but a large part of the way there.

Biden got a completely crazy fiscal situation from Trump, gradually tamed it, and then had to give it back to Trump. Now inflation is rising again. Should be a total disaster by the end of the 2nd Trump debacle.

Thank you, JP, for posting clear evidence that disproves your own theory.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby riskllama on Sat Aug 16, 2025 5:07 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
When was inflation the worst in the past 10 years? I know this will be a shock to Duk, but Blame Biden:

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Over the last 10 years (2015-2024), the US inflation rate has fluctuated, with a notable increase in the latter part of the period. From 2015 to 2020, inflation was relatively low, averaging around 1.7%. However, in 2021 and 2022, the inflation rate surged, reaching 7.0% and 6.5% respectively, driven in part by the pandemic and supply chain issues. By the end of 2023, it had moderated to 3.4%, and by the end of 2024, it was 2.9%, according to Investopedia.

Pretty clear evidence. From your own quote, inflation was 7.0 as the start of the Biden administration, due to the insane Trump deficits. Declined steadily throughout the Biden years, as more rational management took hold. By the end of the Biden years, inflation had reached 2.9, still not at target but a large part of the way there.

Biden got a completely crazy fiscal situation from Trump, gradually tamed it, and then had to give it back to Trump. Now inflation is rising again. Should be a total disaster by the end of the 2nd Trump debacle.

Thank you, JP, for posting clear evidence that disproves your own theory.


LOL. Duk wins this thread, again...
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Aug 17, 2025 3:51 am

riskllama wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
When was inflation the worst in the past 10 years? I know this will be a shock to Duk, but Blame Biden:

AI Overview
Over the last 10 years (2015-2024), the US inflation rate has fluctuated, with a notable increase in the latter part of the period. From 2015 to 2020, inflation was relatively low, averaging around 1.7%. However, in 2021 and 2022, the inflation rate surged, reaching 7.0% and 6.5% respectively, driven in part by the pandemic and supply chain issues. By the end of 2023, it had moderated to 3.4%, and by the end of 2024, it was 2.9%, according to Investopedia.

Pretty clear evidence. From your own quote, inflation was 7.0 as the start of the Biden administration, due to the insane Trump deficits. Declined steadily throughout the Biden years, as more rational management took hold. By the end of the Biden years, inflation had reached 2.9, still not at target but a large part of the way there.

Biden got a completely crazy fiscal situation from Trump, gradually tamed it, and then had to give it back to Trump. Now inflation is rising again. Should be a total disaster by the end of the 2nd Trump debacle.

Thank you, JP, for posting clear evidence that disproves your own theory.


LOL. Duk wins this thread, again...


wrong:

Here is what my source ACTUALLY, clearly, and cogently says:
However, in 2021 and 2022, the inflation rate surged, reaching 7.0% and 6.5% respectively, driven in part by the pandemic and supply chain issues.
There is NO MENTION of Trump there.

And what does Biden DO? PASS ANOTHER huge bill to ADD to inflationary pressures. He does what Democrats do, pass HUGE spending bills and create and even larger Federal deficit.

You, Duk, clearly SLANT the news to fit your FALSE narrative :roll: :roll: and your parrot the sillyLlama jumped on it, as you did a false AI generated post, too. TRY again.

And to give more credence to my view, and the view of the MAJORITY of Amercans who elected Trump in 2024:

Voters blamed Biden and Harris for rising costs. Was that fair? We asked economists.
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USA TODAY

(...)
But is the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris administration to blame?

Yes, the economists said, but only to a degree.
Of the seven economists who spoke to USA TODAY, most cited the global pandemic, not Biden, as the primary cause of the nation's inflation crisis. (...)
But the stimulus also fed inflation, the economists said, which ultimately helped sink the Democrats at the polls.

“I think that they thought the public would reward them more for a fast recovery, in terms of jobs, than they would punish them for inflation,” said Ryan Bourne, an economist at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. “I think that proved a huge miscalculation.” (...)

The pandemic shut down much of the global economy in 2020. When the world reopened, consumers found many products running short. Demand outstripped supply, the classic formula for inflation.

"The COVID shutdowns were the biggest, sharpest economic collapse in modern history," said Joshua Gotbaum, scholar in residence at the center-left Brookings Institution. "And it was followed by the biggest inflation in 40 years."

In March 2021, President Biden signed a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill, directing payments of up to $1,400 to pandemic-stricken Americans. The Trump administration had already sent two rounds of stimulus checks, in March and December of 2020.


And ultimately, it is NOT MY VIEWS that are important, but the 1) views of the voters and what the Government DOES in 2) fiscal and 3) tax policies (Keynesian) and what 4) the Fed does with the Money Supply (monetarists, and as sometimes mentioned by HitRed).

Trumps deficits were relatively small, until the Response to the Pandemic caused a reaction to avoid 2008 and its aftermath. Trying to avoid a recession caused inflation. Predicting the HUGE US Economy is an Art and not a Science.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Aug 17, 2025 6:00 am

jusplay4fun wrote:Trumps deficits were relatively small, until the Response to the Pandemic caused a reaction to avoid 2008 and its aftermath.

Completely false!

Here's an overview of U.S. budget deficits in the last couple decades. It shows Trump's rapidly-rising deficits before the pandemic hit:
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The pandemic bulge tends to overshadow everything on that scale, so here's a different graph, published in 2018 by Reason magazine:

https://reason.com/2018/09/13/maga-federal-deficit-jumps-32-percent-hi/
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The second graph shows spending, while the first one shows deficits, so they're not precisely comparable, but related.

I think you will agree that in 2018 there was no effect from the pandemic.

About a year later, Reason published another assessment. This said, in part:
Yet when it comes to the federal debt, Trump is clearly failing to live up to his own words. In April 2016, Trump told The Washington Post, "We've got to get rid of the $19 trillion debt." And he believed he could make that happen in a relatively compressed time frame. "I think I could do it fairly quickly," he said. How quickly? "I would say over a period of eight years."

Nearly three years into his presidency, however, the debt has risen to surpass $22 trillion. And federal budget deficits—the annual gap between revenues and spending—are growing ever larger, hitting levels not seen since the aftermath of the recession during President Obama's first term.

According to a new estimate from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the federal budget deficit for the 2019 fiscal year, which ended last month, was about $984 billion dollars. That just-shy-of-a-trillion dollar figure is higher than projected, and represents an increase of about 50 percent from when Trump took office, and an increase of about $200 billion from last year alone. It's more than double the $442 billion deficit under Obama in 2015.

(Emphasis in the last sentence added by me.)

In light of recent events, the last paragraph of the Reason article seems almost prescient:
Trump's nearly trillion-dollar deficits help reveal a deeper problem with the president, one that simple arguments about promises kept or unkept can sometimes fail to capture. It's not just that Trump can't be counted on to live up to his word. It's that Trump can't even be counted on to comprehend the promises he's made.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Aug 17, 2025 7:36 am

This entire discussion reminds me why I majored in Chemistry and not in Economics: We can debate this issue until.....(Name it) and neither side will prove beyond reasonable doubt that their side is correct.

One can prove rather cogently that 2 H2 + O2 ---> 2 H2O, AND offer a good explanation, using bonding theories and thermondynanic data as to HOW and WHY this occurs.

Duk's source is BIASED, and I will give you the quote that SHOWS it clearly:

It's more than double the $442 billion deficit under Obama in 2015.


This quote is the entire linchpin that support's Duk argument here. It is on its own entirely biased against Trump and is pro-Obama.

The writer compares the Trump budget to the BEST year Obama had, 2015. Look at the graph. Trump's 2019 deficit is LOWER than those of Obama for EACH of his first four years. Did the economic "slump" starting in 2009 have a ROLE? Of course.

btw: Remind me who was President duing 2024? Feeble old Joe? The guy who was FORCED to drop out because he had no real support and was mentally NOT THERE. Oh Yeah, RIGHT.

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

another graph:

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FALSE NARRATIVE.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Aug 17, 2025 8:18 am

jusplay4fun wrote:
This quote is the entire linchpin that support's Duk argument here. It is on its own entirely biased against Trump and is pro-Obama.


LOL. Can anyone imagine Reason magasine being pro-Obama? LOL.

Please do try again.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby Pack Rat on Sun Aug 17, 2025 12:08 pm

You can't reason with MAGA stupidity.

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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Aug 17, 2025 1:48 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
This quote is the entire linchpin that support's Duk argument here. It is on its own entirely biased against Trump and is pro-Obama.


LOL. Can anyone imagine Reason magasine being pro-Obama? LOL.

Please do try again.

I have NEVER heard of it; widespread readership, apparently. :roll:

NO need to try again; your arguments are shredded. Whoever the magazine or author is.
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