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Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
THORNHEART wrote:I just heard the government voted to extend umemployment checks to the unemployed for up to two years...maybe we could cut this program and make people get jobs
Symmetry wrote:THORNHEART wrote:I just heard the government voted to extend umemployment checks to the unemployed for up to two years...maybe we could cut this program and make people get jobs
There are more unemployed people than vacancies, of course. Still, it's always fun to see a fantasy-land argument that all unemployed people are just being lazy and could get a job if they wanted.
I'm guessing you've never had too many problems on this front. I could well be wrong- but have you spent a long period outside of education or employment?
Phatscotty wrote:we can cut unemployment benefit abuse. that better?
THORNHEART wrote:ok i have found a job within 3 weeks of looking every time i have gone job hunting....i understand for high paying jobs this is not realistic....
I refuse to believe someone can not find a job for 2 whole years if they search diligently. Maybe it comes down to laziness and knowing that they will get a free check they have no motivation...lol thats foolish to think surely? I mean when given a choice of free money or hard worked money people will always choose to work for it. also I don't think anyone that is physically capable of working needs a free check that long. Maybe the prolem if they really cant find a job is they need to stop expecting the perfect job and the perfect salary and take what they can get...also uncle sam is ALWAYS hiring and thats what i would do if i was truely deseperate not accept money for two years like a bum.
AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:we can cut unemployment benefit abuse. that better?
Cut all abuse. Even better. Though cutting abuse will of course require some government expenditures...
THORNHEART wrote:ok i have found a job within 3 weeks of looking every time i have gone job hunting....i understand for high paying jobs this is not realistic....
I refuse to believe someone can not find a job for 2 whole years if they search diligently. Maybe it comes down to laziness and knowing that they will get a free check they have no motivation...lol thats foolish to think surely? I mean when given a choice of free money or hard worked money people will always choose to work for it. also I don't think anyone that is physically capable of working needs a free check that long. Maybe the prolem if they really cant find a job is they need to stop expecting the perfect job and the perfect salary and take what they can get...also uncle sam is ALWAYS hiring and thats what i would do if i was truely deseperate not accept money for two years like a bum.
THORNHEART wrote:ok i have found a job within 3 weeks of looking every time i have gone job hunting....i understand for high paying jobs this is not realistic....
I refuse to believe someone can not find a job for 2 whole years if they search diligently. Maybe it comes down to laziness and knowing that they will get a free check they have no motivation...lol thats foolish to think surely? I mean when given a choice of free money or hard worked money people will always choose to work for it. also I don't think anyone that is physically capable of working needs a free check that long. Maybe the prolem if they really cant find a job is they need to stop expecting the perfect job and the perfect salary and take what they can get...also uncle sam is ALWAYS hiring and thats what i would do if i was truely deseperate not accept money for two years like a bum.
Phatscotty wrote:AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:we can cut unemployment benefit abuse. that better?
Cut all abuse. Even better. Though cutting abuse will of course require some government expenditures...
not if we can make employees more efficient. A short time after the first small waves of abusers are weeded out(the low hanging fruit/most blatant abusers), it should free up a few positions (even just 1 position) and more and more waves spread out, and can all be done without an extra penny. probably cost a bit for the drug test kits though, unless they already have a shit load of them. however, i dont imagine the drug kit costing more than just 1 week of unemployment benefits (300ish) and that saves money in itself since fraudulent benefits would not be paid out, frees up more cash. Send all the savings to pay down the debt, while also creating stimulus by cutting the taxes hopefully about the same amount the unemployment agency is no longer needing. create likewise programs in other wasteful agencies. make a dent in the debt.
AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:we can cut unemployment benefit abuse. that better?
Cut all abuse. Even better. Though cutting abuse will of course require some government expenditures...
not if we can make employees more efficient. A short time after the first small waves of abusers are weeded out(the low hanging fruit/most blatant abusers), it should free up a few positions (even just 1 position) and more and more waves spread out, and can all be done without an extra penny. probably cost a bit for the drug test kits though, unless they already have a shit load of them. however, i dont imagine the drug kit costing more than just 1 week of unemployment benefits (300ish) and that saves money in itself since fraudulent benefits would not be paid out, frees up more cash. Send all the savings to pay down the debt, while also creating stimulus by cutting the taxes hopefully about the same amount the unemployment agency is no longer needing. create likewise programs in other wasteful agencies. make a dent in the debt.
Do you honestly think, that right now, if taxes are cut, that people are going to go out and spend that money, and put it into the economy?
The reason why most are fighting for lower taxes, is because they realize how bad this is, and are trying to save every penny they can to weather the storm. A tax cut will not create any kind of stimulus whatsoever in this economy. The percentage that does anything but go into bank accounts of those who at the moment are still doing rather well, will be too small to matter.
I agree, the money should not be wasted, but at the same time, it does have to be collected, and in large part from the people who do not want to pay them....which of course is everyone....but If the economy slips further, or it gets worse, those few extra percentage points that hopefully....hopefully...hopefully go back into actually improving the economy, will save them from ever having to know what many others are feeling right now.
The problem is control of what is done with the money...and obviously so far, we have still seen so much waste and fraud in some areas, that it makes you question if anyone really is even taking this seriously.
So, I feel we paying taxes, have no choice but to pay them...we must invest them...we must help bail the ship, because while we may not have put the hole in it ourselves, we are sure as hell going to drown if it goes down. The fact that maybe its after everyone else has, is fairly irrlevant
Woodruff wrote:THORNHEART wrote:I think we ought to cut woodruffs social security check...
Given that I won't see one for 20+ years and not likely then...feel free.
Phatscotty wrote:Woodruff wrote:THORNHEART wrote:I think we ought to cut woodruffs social security check...
Given that I won't see one for 20+ years and not likely then...feel free.
Interestingly, in 20 years, before Obama care, the amount of money America will owe allows only for debt service and a little bit of social security. All the rest of the government will have to close down.
Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Woodruff wrote:THORNHEART wrote:I think we ought to cut woodruffs social security check...
Given that I won't see one for 20+ years and not likely then...feel free.
Interestingly, in 20 years, before Obama care, the amount of money America will owe allows only for debt service and a little bit of social security. All the rest of the government will have to close down.
Precisely my point.
thegreekdog wrote:(2) In Philadelphia, every public school child gets "free" breakfast, whether their parents provide them breakfast or not. I want that cut.
john9blue wrote:I'm really not sure why I said that, as bottled water is one of the few areas in which the government trounces the private industry. I guess it just came to my mind when thinking of dumb wastes of money. Bottled water is a monument to the stupidity of man. .
Woodruff wrote:thegreekdog wrote:(2) In Philadelphia, every public school child gets "free" breakfast, whether their parents provide them breakfast or not. I want that cut.
I might argue that this is actually a savings. My rationale is this...by giving the free breakfast to ALL children, nobody has to track "who gets it and who doesn't", which can be a paperwork nightmare. Someone's gotta handle all that paperwork, both at the school level and the school district level...that's pay. It may well be cheaper just to give it to everyone...if that makes sense.
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