SB 1070: Most Controversial Component IS Constitutional

[Woodruff]

Well, given that the law isn't in pace yet, no it isn't harming citizens..
How exactly does carrying an ID cause harm to one's self anyway?

How exactly does being required to have an ID implanted into your arm cause any real harm to one's self anyway?

[PLAYER57832]

Well, given that the law isn't in pace yet, no it isn't harming citizens..

How exactly does carrying an ID cause harm to one's self anyway?

Yes, and why shouldn't citizens have to register with authorities whenever they move or simply travel. After all, only those who are guilty could object. Its for the good of everyone. Citizens have nothing to worry about.....

[alex951]

will this bill stop the flow of illegals into Arizona, yes.

will this bill stop the flow of drug traffickers and violent criminals into Arizona, f*ck no they dont give two shit about the law.

mmm i wonder what the description for a illegal immigrant will be?

*isn't there like a commission coming up with one?

[BigBallinStalin]

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[Phatscotty]

So, if I'm a tourist in AZ a police officer can ask me for my documentation just because I look "brownie"?
Gotta love you're neighbors

You need to have ID on you. In my state you can get a ticket if you get pulled over and you don't have your license with you.

[Phatscotty]

bottom line, we send them back to where they are a legal resident. end of story. you want to get into arguments about how exactly we do it, and Obama wants to fan the flames of hate and race, this is all getting real sickening. We will protect our borders, and we will apologize to nobody for doing so

When you arizonians have dirty unwashed windshields and your chicken costs 5 bucks a lb... Dont get mad.

Im just saying.


I understand where you are coming from. But until America gets its priorities in order like pulling out of some countrys and dropping troops in a literal war zone to help these ppl who are getting the hell out and into america- until that time I would just take the silver lining... cheap chicken and cheap car washes. And you can get a nanny and a maid really cheap if they are illegal. Im actually being serious here.

You think this is not a war zone that is right next to your home? This here is an everyday occurrence --> http://www.themonitor.com/articles/reyn ... evice.html I have heard more nato rounds and grenades in my 6 months here than I did in any 1 year in "war" zones... and Im not exaggerating.

Whats the point you ask scotty? The point is, protect your border all you want... These people are running towards a dream and away from a nightmare. When Europeans came to america... did indians or weather or seas stop their dreams? Um no. And nothing will stop a people ,not even your walls and policemen and needing a drivers license, from coming across for a dream.


I just believe until america gets real about a problem, these half ass measures will not work. We send humanitarian aid all over the world. We send troops to far places for reasons we are not sure about to the point it divides a nation. Well everyday I see starving kids selling gum 4 kilometers from you america. Everyday I hear nato rounds. Everyday I see despair in fathers faces.

And you think needing a license will stop their dream?




What are the unalienable rights of EVERY human, not just americans? Well its that last one of the three that will spit in the face of your legislation needing drivers licenses.

good luck

Yes I really do understand all of that and I am not coming so much with my opinion down a one way street, it is more to the reaction of the illegal-supporters that is pissing me off. Basically, I see this as an attempt to weaken or even destroy our immigration laws.

[alex951]

[Phatscotty]

If you haven't broken any laws, you have nothing to worry about....

[Woodruff]

So, if I'm a tourist in AZ a police officer can ask me for my documentation just because I look "brownie"?
Gotta love you're neighbors

You need to have ID on you. In my state you can get a ticket if you get pulled over and you don't have your license with you.

Even if you're just walking around?

[Woodruff]

How does requiring anyone to carry some form of identification on them a bad thing?

It really isn't that bright to walk around everyday and have no credible method proving who you are.

Why? It's really quite rare that I have a need to prove who I am.

woodruff:
having something permanently implanted into you is different. It can't be removed, which is a cause for concern for those interested in FREEDOM!!!11!

Who said anything about it being impossible to remove? Just as with refusing to carry your ID, you could have the implant removed.

[Phatscotty]

So, if I'm a tourist in AZ a police officer can ask me for my documentation just because I look "brownie"?
Gotta love you're neighbors

You need to have ID on you. In my state you can get a ticket if you get pulled over and you don't have your license with you.

Even if you're just walking around?

keyword: pulled over

[Woodruff]

So, if I'm a tourist in AZ a police officer can ask me for my documentation just because I look "brownie"?
Gotta love you're neighbors

You need to have ID on you. In my state you can get a ticket if you get pulled over and you don't have your license with you.

Even if you're just walking around?

keyword: pulled over

So then in your view, the only thing that's important about this law is how it applies to someone when they're driving?

[Phatscotty]

So, if I'm a tourist in AZ a police officer can ask me for my documentation just because I look "brownie"?
Gotta love you're neighbors

You need to have ID on you. In my state you can get a ticket if you get pulled over and you don't have your license with you.

Even if you're just walking around?

keyword: pulled over

So then in your view, the only thing that's important about this law is how it applies to someone when they're driving?

thats ridiculous. why would you even attempt to frame what I said in such a silly way?

It's simply the most realistic scenario. When a police officer pulls over a car for having a busted blinker, and the officer asked the driver for his drivers license, registration, and insurance forms....and the driver hands the officer a Mexican voting card.....that is where this law takes effect. That is suspicion. I know you can understand this.

Did you know? In Phoenix, Arizona, someone is kidnapped every 35 hours?

[fumandomuerte]

Did you know? In Phoenix, Arizona, someone is kidnapped every 35 hours?

I'm intrigued about the origin of these guns...

[Phatscotty]

Thats almost one kidnapping a day. The people who are kidnapped and sold into sex slavery should join up with the illegals who were asked for documents and sue themselves.

[Symmetry]

Did you know? In Phoenix, Arizona, someone is kidnapped every 35 hours?

I'm intrigued about the origin of these guns...

Me too, actually.

It's kind of looking like this bill is all about being seen to do something, rather than actually addressing the border problems.

But anyway, my thoughts, some I've posted before in one of the many other threads on the issue in general and Arizona's law in particular:

1) Better help stabilising Mexico and other SA countries
a) More reasonable drug laws
b) Gun laws that don't allow mass purchase of military grade weaponry in places to the north of a border everyone regards as porous.
c) Fairer trade agreements and an acceptance that the US has not been the greatest friend to stability in the continent over the last 50 years (or pick your number).

2) Dealing with illegals
a) Make the system less arbitrary in its enforcement.
b) Enforce existing laws for the punishment of companies that hire illegal immigrants.
c) Acknowledge that most illegals are in the country for jobs, and contribute to the economy. Allow for them to become residents more easily, and perhaps citizens, making them tax payers too.

[Phatscotty]

bottom line, we send them back to where they are a legal resident. end of story. you want to get into arguments about how exactly we do it, and Obama wants to fan the flames of hate and race, this is all getting real sickening. We will protect our borders, and we will apologize to nobody for doing so

When you arizonians have dirty unwashed windshields and your chicken costs 5 bucks a lb... Dont get mad.

Im just saying.

I'm pretty sure they can handle it......

[72o]

b) Gun laws that don't allow mass purchase of military grade weaponry in places to the north of a border everyone regards as porous.

Our gun laws do not allow for the "mass purchase of military grade weaponry". It is illegal. That's why only the criminals are able to obtain these weapons.

[Phatscotty]

b) Gun laws that don't allow mass purchase of military grade weaponry in places to the north of a border everyone regards as porous.

Our gun laws do not allow for the "mass purchase of military grade weaponry". It is illegal. That's why only the criminals are able to obtain these weapons.

make them more illegal, that will fix it!

[Nobunaga]

Did you know? In Phoenix, Arizona, someone is kidnapped every 35 hours?

I'm intrigued about the origin of these guns...

.. Well if the stats hold, 17% to 34% of those guns could be traced to the U.S. The rest are Israeli, Korean (South, not North), the various Wazzatstans of the former Soviet Union, and Spain, funneled in through Columbia.

... Of course our President said "90% come from the US"... so he's lying through his teeth to a crowd of useful idiots, or he's just ignorant of the facts.

...

[PLAYER57832]

I'm intrigued about the origin of these guns...

.. Well if the stats hold, 17% to 34% of those guns could be traced to the U.S. The rest are Israeli, Korean (South, not North), the various Wazzatstans of the former Soviet Union, and Spain, funneled in through Columbia.

... Of course our President said "90% come from the US"... so he's lying through his teeth to a crowd of useful idiots, or he's just ignorant of the facts.

...

The 90% figure comes from a well documented study done not too long ago. People dispute the numbers, but quoting it hardly makes the president a liar.

[Nobunaga]

I'm intrigued about the origin of these guns...

.. Well if the stats hold, 17% to 34% of those guns could be traced to the U.S. The rest are Israeli, Korean (South, not North), the various Wazzatstans of the former Soviet Union, and Spain, funneled in through Columbia.

... Of course our President said "90% come from the US"... so he's lying through his teeth to a crowd of useful idiots, or he's just ignorant of the facts.

...

The 90% figure comes from a well documented study done not too long ago. People dispute the numbers, but quoting it hardly makes the president a liar.

... Then see the other option.

... I prefer an ignoramous to a liar, actually.

...

[Night Strike]

I'm intrigued about the origin of these guns...

.. Well if the stats hold, 17% to 34% of those guns could be traced to the U.S. The rest are Israeli, Korean (South, not North), the various Wazzatstans of the former Soviet Union, and Spain, funneled in through Columbia.

... Of course our President said "90% come from the US"... so he's lying through his teeth to a crowd of useful idiots, or he's just ignorant of the facts.

...

The 90% figure comes from a well documented study done not too long ago. People dispute the numbers, but quoting it hardly makes the president a liar.

The "well documented" 90% was already discredited as propaganda for those who want tighter gun control as it was only 90% of traceable guns were from the US, but only a small fraction of the guns are actually traceable. It's amazing how people keep trying to spread false data.



In other news, the head of ICE has confirmed that he refuses to handle illegal immigrants who are turned over by the state of Arizona once their law comes into effect. This is a BLATANT abuse of power by the executive government by refusing to enforce the federal law to deport illegal immigrants. It doesn't matter who turns them over, the law is the law, and any federal official who refuses to carry it out should be removed.

[Nobunaga]

I'm intrigued about the origin of these guns...

.. Well if the stats hold, 17% to 34% of those guns could be traced to the U.S. The rest are Israeli, Korean (South, not North), the various Wazzatstans of the former Soviet Union, and Spain, funneled in through Columbia.

... Of course our President said "90% come from the US"... so he's lying through his teeth to a crowd of useful idiots, or he's just ignorant of the facts.

...

The 90% figure comes from a well documented study done not too long ago. People dispute the numbers, but quoting it hardly makes the president a liar.

The "well documented" 90% was already discredited as propaganda for those who want tighter gun control as it was only 90% of traceable guns were from the US, but only a small fraction of the guns are actually traceable. It's amazing how people keep trying to spread false data.

... Don't go confusing people with facts, now.

... I keep looking at that photo of the illegals with the stack of assault rifles and I listen to the progressive argument, "These hard working people just want to support their hungry families..." What the hell kind of job were these hard working men doing, I wonder.

... Not to imply that all illegals are gun-carrying gang-bangers, but too many are.

... Back to my campaign pledge:

... 1. Deport all illegal aliens, from all nations. Every last one of them.

... 2. Severely fine and/or imprison any company or individual who knowingly employs illegals.

... 3. Remove the anchor-baby issue by negating citizenship by birth rights.

... Somebody sing the National Anthem for me!

...

...

[Borderdawg]

I'm intrigued about the origin of these guns...

.. Well if the stats hold, 17% to 34% of those guns could be traced to the U.S. The rest are Israeli, Korean (South, not North), the various Wazzatstans of the former Soviet Union, and Spain, funneled in through Columbia.

... Of course our President said "90% come from the US"... so he's lying through his teeth to a crowd of useful idiots, or he's just ignorant of the facts.

...

The 90% figure comes from a well documented study done not too long ago. People dispute the numbers, but quoting it hardly makes the president a liar.

And again, player, you show yourself to be an idiot. The Mex govt. sends serial #s for 17% of the guns they confiscate to the ATF. 90% of 17% are from the US. Some sources say the Mex govt. send 34%. 90% of 34% still leaves the origin of a hell of a lot of guns unaccounted for. Your president is both ignorant AND a liar!! Look at the picture. You will see frag grenades.(NOT available to the general public!) CS grenades, (again NOT available to the general public) 40mm loads for an M203 grenade launcher. (Once again NOT available to the general public!!) Of that 90% of 17-34%, a good number can be traced to weapons we sold/gave to the MEXICAN MILITARY!!! Those useless f*cks gave/sold them to the cartels!! And in many cases are working FOR the cartels. You don't have a f*cking CLUE to what is happening in my backyard, so please, STFU!!!!!