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Re: MSNBC

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:39 am

Phatscotty wrote:Are you kidding me? That's the easy part! Why do you think he gives so much to charity?
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However, I called you out first. If I go first, you will just get into what I said and we get further from the initial question.

another question :D are you seriously going to argue that the mastermind of the New World Order has never paid someone to kill a person? influenced a leader to a single military attack? Never ran into someone he couldn't buy off? really?


The mastermind of the New World Order? Paid someone to kill a person? Is this the "we discuss the issues not the people" thing you were so proud of in another thread? Or is this something else?

And no, you didn't "call me out first". You made a statement, and I responded to it. Then you tried to pretend that statement of yours didn't matter, because it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to (i.e. you got called out on it).
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Re: MSNBC

Postby Night Strike on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:18 pm

Iliad wrote:I don't think you even read the part of my post concerning the study. It didn't have ambigous or debatable points such as whether an action was better for the economy, but they were all straightforward and absolute facts. Feel free to ignore parts of my post again, though.

Nice logic: Fox News use poor reasoning and logical fallacies but it's all okay since someone else disagrees with the study. Please do read what I wrote about the study.

You do know that free speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism right? Just like Fox news has the freedom to speech, so do people who disagree with it.


Ironic considering so many on the left are trying to shut up conservatives simply because they disagree with them.

No, the study listed statements such as "Must economists believe the stimulus saved or created millions of job" as being correct answers. Except that those "answers" are in extreme debate. If that many jobs were saved or created, why do we still have over 9% unemployment? People are supposed to question the data the government presents, yet it's the government's position that is always treated as correct in this study. Therefore, the conclusions of the data are patently misleading and slanderous.

Just because I'm on a roll, the next question on their report (Clicky) gives a correct answer of the health care law will not increase deficits. However, many rational people realize that 10 years of taxes are used to pay for 6 years of spending, which means that although the first 10 years of the budget projection may be balanced, the next years won't be.

The next question was worded as a completely opinion-based question, but it was given a correct answer. After the downturn of the economy in 2008, is the economy now improving (correct) or getting worse? Although economists say the recession is technically over, main street still feels that it's getting worse because jobs are still being lost or not gained quickly enough (wait, isn't this want Obama says all the time: that main street isn't feeling the improvements in the economy?). So if main street doesn't feel the technical definition of the improvement, why would they answer the "correct" answer?

Most did answer that most scientists believe climate change is occurring and that Bush signed TARP. The question about the GM bailout is entirely misleading. They claim the actions started in December of 2008, but even if that's the case, it was completely clear that Bush had already allowed Obama to take the lead in shaping economic policies to get his administrated started early while Bush kept the reins on the international policies.

I do now see 1 one answer in that the stimulus bill did including some tax cuts even though the majority said none were included. There are some more questions that I don't feel like diving into, but as you can see, roughly half of the data of the study can be directly called into question.
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Re: MSNBC

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:22 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Iliad wrote:I don't think you even read the part of my post concerning the study. It didn't have ambigous or debatable points such as whether an action was better for the economy, but they were all straightforward and absolute facts. Feel free to ignore parts of my post again, though.

Nice logic: Fox News use poor reasoning and logical fallacies but it's all okay since someone else disagrees with the study. Please do read what I wrote about the study.

You do know that free speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism right? Just like Fox news has the freedom to speech, so do people who disagree with it.


Ironic considering so many on the left are trying to shut up conservatives simply because they disagree with them.

It's equally ironic that so many on the right are doing the same.

Oh, the humanity!


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Re: MSNBC

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:14 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Are you kidding me? That's the easy part! Why do you think he gives so much to charity?
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However, I called you out first. If I go first, you will just get into what I said and we get further from the initial question.

another question :D are you seriously going to argue that the mastermind of the New World Order has never paid someone to kill a person? influenced a leader to a single military attack? Never ran into someone he couldn't buy off? really?


The mastermind of the New World Order? Paid someone to kill a person? Is this the "we discuss the issues not the people" thing you were so proud of in another thread? Or is this something else?

And no, you didn't "call me out first". You made a statement, and I responded to it. Then you tried to pretend that statement of yours didn't matter, because it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to (i.e. you got called out on it).


hmm, nothing in here dealing with the issue, except for what you quoted from me. why comment? oh, well, I will anywas
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Re: MSNBC

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:34 pm

Why are guys like Soros and Murdoch "bad" when one compares them to government and politicians?
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Re: MSNBC

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:39 pm

Phatscotty wrote:I have watched MSNBC All Day today. Even Chris Mathews twice (yeah I got off work early today). From what I can tell, the 112th Congress is already a failure before they even take their seats. I mean, every show, is just hit piece, after hit piece. I think they might have attacked every single republican in the house today. And some of the points they are hammering, this failure of a promise to cut 100 bill in the first year? #1 I have never hear that promise #2 The lame duck congress just passed last years budget a couple weeks ago which has effects for the next 6 months, giving only 6 months to control the budget. Even worse, these hosts start off with a premise that I vehemently disagree, and then they just draw it out that way, and pile worst case scenario onto worser case, and then tell you who to blame with some of the biggest jumps in logic I have witnessed to date, as well as call them hateful names and use foul language. I even saw Ed Schultz apologizing for something, I did not catch what just happened (I was writing a love letter to Baron or something) but I could tell I missed a doozy. Heck I'll find it oh wait nope nobody even bothers to put Schultz on youtube. Most recent 2 weeks ago? wow
Oh well anyways he apologized for getting WAY TOO ANGRY and calling the republicans a bad name. Okay now I understand the hard left is all in a tizzy today, but I just wanted to say, in public, I will watcheth MSNBC no more. They are living in a bubble over there, and it's a very dangerous one. Stoking hate and pumping fear. I even heard Al Sharpton say minorities had better be worried because the Tea Party is gonna "turn back the clock" 40 years on civil rights. wut? Sounds like a call to arms to me, accept, I have no fucking idea where the hell he gets the clock being turned any which way....It was a very different al sharpton, a very animated, stoking, keeping the flame hot....


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Re: MSNBC

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:38 pm

And for the 435th day in a row, Chris Matthews has a birther segment. I swear, MSNBS is the only place I hear this birther crap.

The new boogy man that they need, keeps the fires stoked....genius!
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Re: MSNBC

Postby Aradhus on Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:59 pm

63 percent of polled fox news viewers believe Obama was not born in the U.S.

Conversation I'm having, just as I read scottys post, with a good american conservative friend of mine who I haven't spoken to in a while:

me: He's a corporate sellout, owned by wall street, and doing more damage to progressives than conservatives ever could.
Friend: hahaha
also true
and he's not a citizen
or at least, he can't prove it
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Re: MSNBC

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:14 am

OMG Michael Moore and Maddow are just going on and on, ignoring all the facts. Maddow is repeating in a frenzy, "there is nothign we can do to change gun laws" :hands in the air: ""nope, no changes to any laws!" (fact: the request was, let us mourn and wait until the bodies are in the ground to have this no doubt heated discussion.) Of course, this is MCNBC, and the fire can not be allowed to dwindle, whether the bodies are in the ground or not.

Michael Moore continues down illogical paths, and concludes that for 17 cents (the cost of a bullet) you can get a federal judge. The cost of the means used? cmon. There are a million ways to go about doing someone in, and most of them are free.

This is complete garbage manipulation. Fun to watch though

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Re: MSNBC

Postby GabonX on Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:55 am

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Are you kidding me? That's the easy part! Why do you think he gives so much to charity?
:lol:
However, I called you out first. If I go first, you will just get into what I said and we get further from the initial question.

another question :D are you seriously going to argue that the mastermind of the New World Order has never paid someone to kill a person? influenced a leader to a single military attack? Never ran into someone he couldn't buy off? really?


The mastermind of the New World Order? Paid someone to kill a person? Is this the "we discuss the issues not the people" thing you were so proud of in another thread? Or is this something else?

I'd like to hear more about these things... Like, are they definite or conjecture?
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Re: MSNBC

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:26 am

Iliad wrote:Rupert Murdoch, through his control of an enormous amount of media is grealty able to dominate political dialogue
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That is an actual cover of one of his newspapers which lcaimed victory for the election of a conservative government in Britain.


From 1997 until last year The Sun endorsed Labour in every UK parliamentary election. Murdoch owned The Sun for each of those years. Was Murdoch exercising good judgment in those years or was it part of some great, Machiavellian conspiracy? A page out of the Salt screenplay, perhaps?

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Murdoch and Soros each, both, serve the same Greenback God. Their interests are the interests of the Corporation-State above all else. Murdoch forfeited his Australian citizenship so he wouldn't be confined to the backwaters of the world and could make money in the big-leagues of the USA, just like Soros discarded his Hungarian citizenship like the little people throw away an old pair of shoes. Whoring is neither a left nor right occupation and Murdoch - like Soros - is neither left nor right. Murdoch and Soros are two sides of the same coin. Both disgusting. They'll schill whatever position or support whatever cause serves their underlying business interests.

These two devils continue to fund revolutions around the world at the behest of the U.S. government. The so-called "spontaneous" Serbian youth movement Otpor that overthrew Slobo in Serbia was a Soros/Murdoch-funded, CIA-fronted group. Now today, every level of the Serbian government is totally infiltrated by American fingermen who dutifully report to Embassy Belgrade. All the fresh-faced Iranian revolutionaries that made such photogenic shots and interesting newspaper stories about their "Twitter revolution" in 2009 were being funded by Soros/Murdoch via funnel groups like the NED/IRI.
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Re: MSNBC

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:45 am

I made a diagram so it would be easier to follow.

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Re: MSNBC

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:37 am

THURS. JAN. 20, 2011

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,918,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,079,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,940,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,786,000
FOXNEWS BECK 1,780,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,460,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,106,000
CNN PIERS 1,025,000
MSNBC MADDOW 976,000
MSNBC O'DONNELL 855,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 760,000
CNN COOPER 740,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 700,000
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Re: MSNBC

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:26 pm

Phatscotty wrote:THURS. JAN. 20, 2011

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,918,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,079,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,940,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,786,000
FOXNEWS BECK 1,780,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,460,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,106,000
CNN PIERS 1,025,000
MSNBC MADDOW 976,000
MSNBC O'DONNELL 855,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 760,000
CNN COOPER 740,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 700,000


Outstanding use of detailed information to present absolutely nothing. Well done!
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Re: MSNBC

Postby GreecePwns on Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:16 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:THURS. JAN. 20, 2011

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,918,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,079,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,940,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,786,000
FOXNEWS BECK 1,780,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,460,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,106,000
CNN PIERS 1,025,000
MSNBC MADDOW 976,000
MSNBC O'DONNELL 855,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 760,000
CNN COOPER 740,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 700,000


Outstanding use of detailed information to present absolutely nothing. Well done!

Someone should inform him that there's no CC award for 500 Pure Copy/Paste Posts
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Re: MSNBC: Moving to the Center?

Postby john9blue on Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:12 pm

^ they are both jelly
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Re: MSNBC

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:13 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:THURS. JAN. 20, 2011

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,918,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,079,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,940,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,786,000
FOXNEWS BECK 1,780,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,460,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,106,000
CNN PIERS 1,025,000
MSNBC MADDOW 976,000
MSNBC O'DONNELL 855,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 760,000
CNN COOPER 740,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 700,000


Outstanding use of detailed information to present absolutely nothing. Well done!


are you saying there is no information here? You sound mad at this post. What about it makes you angry?
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Re: MSNBC

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:28 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:THURS. JAN. 20, 2011

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,918,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,079,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,940,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,786,000
FOXNEWS BECK 1,780,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,460,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,106,000
CNN PIERS 1,025,000
MSNBC MADDOW 976,000
MSNBC O'DONNELL 855,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 760,000
CNN COOPER 740,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 700,000


Outstanding use of detailed information to present absolutely nothing. Well done!


are you saying there is no information here? You sound mad at this post. What about it makes you angry?


Your reading comprehension skills suck worse than your emotion-detection skills.
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Re: MSNBC: Moving to the Center?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:40 pm

It's just information. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maddow and Maher comment on Olbremann's firing

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Re: MSNBC: Moving to the Center?

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:31 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It's just information. Nothing more, nothing less.


Yes, that's precisely what I said. But when I say it, you say I sound mad...and when you say it, you sound stupid (for posting it in the first place for no apparent reason).
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Re: MSNBC: Moving to the Center?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:40 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It's just information. Nothing more, nothing less.


Yes, that's precisely what I said. But when I say it, you say I sound mad...and when you say it, you sound stupid (for posting it in the first place for no apparent reason).


Ratings are relevant.
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Re: MSNBC: Moving to the Center?

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:35 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It's just information. Nothing more, nothing less.


Yes, that's precisely what I said. But when I say it, you say I sound mad...and when you say it, you sound stupid (for posting it in the first place for no apparent reason).


Ratings are relevant.


Not if you don't do anything to show any relevancy.
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Re: MSNBC: Moving to the Center?

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:09 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It's just information. Nothing more, nothing less.


Yes, that's precisely what I said. But when I say it, you say I sound mad...and when you say it, you sound stupid (for posting it in the first place for no apparent reason).


Ratings are relevant.


Not if you don't do anything to show any relevancy.


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Re: MSNBC: Moving to the Center?

Postby john9blue on Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:03 am

ratings alone could be seen as an "appeal to the masses" fallacy, although on the other hand, since there's really no way to deductively PROVE the result of a political issue, the opinions of the american people may be rather important.
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