Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism

[pimpdave]

It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?

Maybe you could get this guy, the founder of the Tea Party, to give an interview. I'm sure he has an interesting side to represent. (the racist one!)

[Mr_Adams]

You give them your wallet, then wip the gun out as they run away. POP.

[PLAYER57832]

[They may feel that way, but wether or not it actualy provides any real protection is pretty questionable to me. How is a handgun goin to protect your home from a break an enter if you;re not there? how doese a handgun protect you if you get mugged(are you going to wipe the gun out when they already have a gun/knife on you?)?

This is one of those things bassed on "common sense" that keep being repeated, without much in the way of solid evidence to back it up. do a survey of victims of crime, compare gun owners to non gunowners and see if gun owners suffer from fewer crimes. Then you;d have something.

Actually, the evidence is there (and has been posted more than once in past threads, by various people). Although you can point to people who feel guns "saved them" or their families, the chances are far greater that you will be harmed by your own gun that that it can be used to protect you.

Also, guns tend to change people's behavior (so that they are less likely to take appropriate evasive action, for example).

But proponents are not interested in statistics. They just want what they want.

[Mr_Adams]

It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?

Maybe you could get this guy, the founder of the Tea Party, to give an interview. I'm sure he has an interesting side to represent. (the racist one!)

OMG, not this shit again. we covered this over a year ago, dave. he is NOT the founder of anything. The tea party is the remnant of the 2008 Ron Paul campaign, and we are here for him in larger numbers this time around.

[PLAYER57832]

You give them your wallet, then wip the gun out as they run away. POP.

This is actually one of the more intelligent gun protection ideas.. not that I truly agree with it, but it is closer to a correct response.
The REAL answer is to get the police, but in poorer neighborhood (and sometimes even wealthy ones) that can take a very long time.

[Timminz]

It seems Patch and I share similar fantasies. I've always wanted to shoot a man in the back, too.

[pimpdave]

You guys change your story all the time. You can't change the fact that the Tea Party is a racist, violent organization founded by a massive racist. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what the transitive power does in terms of thus defining you as a person forever.

[Mr_Adams]

You give them your wallet, then wip the gun out as they run away. POP.

This is actually one of the more intelligent gun protection ideas.. not that I truly agree with it, but it is closer to a correct response.
The REAL answer is to get the police, but in poorer neighborhood (and sometimes even wealthy ones) that can take a very long time.

that's why you SHOOT THEM. Not fatally, though. legs, or something. aim for the crotch area, if you are feeling vindictive

[Timminz]

Shots to the gut will kill him the most slowly, and painfully.

[Mr_Adams]

You guys change your story all the time. You can't change the fact that the Tea Party is a racist, violent organization founded by a massive racist. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what the transitive power does in terms of thus defining you as a person forever.

cut your losses and stfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM

[pimpdave]

You give them your wallet, then wip the gun out as they run away. POP.

This is actually one of the more intelligent gun protection ideas.. not that I truly agree with it, but it is closer to a correct response.
The REAL answer is to get the police, but in poorer neighborhood (and sometimes even wealthy ones) that can take a very long time.

that's why you SHOOT THEM. Not fatally, though. legs, or something. aim for the crotch area, if you are feeling vindictive

Shooting someone in the crotch can still be charged as attempted murder. Go for the legs. Good luck establishing a self-defense argument though, shooting someone in the back almost never flies.

[pimpdave]

You guys change your story all the time. You can't change the fact that the Tea Party is a racist, violent organization founded by a massive racist. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what the transitive power does in terms of thus defining you as a person forever.

cut your losses and stfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM

NO! YOU ARE THE WHO SHOULD STFU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQBKZW0SNgk

[natty dread]

Pimpdave, please tell us more about the Tea Party Propaganda Squads and how they fool all the Tea Party members into thinking it's a grass root movement.

[BigBallinStalin]

For a lot of people in poor neighborhoods, a handgun is much more reliable than expecting the cops to help you or expecting them to be able to reduce crime. My problem are the Concealed Weapons Permits costing about $250 per year. Those, who needs a handgun the most, can not really afford $250 per year for a piece of paper, so many "illegally" carry a gun. This illegal action is then exploited by cops for whatever purposes--good or bad.

For someone who usually asks for substantiation of statements, I think you will be fine with me asking you substantiate that one. I'm fairly certain there is very little data to suggest that is the case.

Intuitively, it makes sense, and I base my observation on conversations with people. Sure, that may limit my obsevations to my immediate area; however, consider the following and maybe it's not so limited to my immediate area:

How many people in poor neighborhoods really appreciate cops? Judging from my conversations with 10 police officers, poor people tend to hate cops. Judging from my conversations with random people around my city, they tend to roll their eyes at me, thinking I'm an idiot (which they should because it's such an obvious answer). They usually don't want to cooperate with police because the police may be corrupt or untrustworthy, or those in power in the immediate neighborhood may punish others for cooperating with police. Therefore, relying on police becomes difficult, so a handgun for a lot of people in poorer neighborhoods is seen as more reliable.

They may feel that way, but wether or not it actualy provides any real protection is pretty questionable to me. How is a handgun goin to protect your home from a break an enter if you;re not there? how doese a handgun protect you if you get mugged(are you going to wipe the gun out when they already have a gun/knife on you?)?

This is one of those things bassed on "common sense" that keep being repeated, without much in the way of solid evidence to back it up. do a survey of victims of crime, compare gun owners to non gunowners and see if gun owners suffer from fewer crimes. Then you;d have something.

BVP, yes, it depends. It depends on how aware you are of your environment, it depends on whether or not people know that you keep a very large gun at home, it depends on a multitude of things, but this doesn't change the fact that a gun still can provide protection.

But the threat of someone having a gun still acts as a deterrent, nonetheless.

Your survey would have to distinguish between certain crimes within certain areas. Like I said before, that concealed weapons permit is frequentely used to bust people only because they're holding a gun on them. They committed a crime because they have been priced out of legally being authorized to hold a concealed weapon.

[pimpdave]

Pimpdave, please tell us more about the Tea Party Propaganda Squads and how they fool all the Tea Party members into thinking it's a grass root movement.

It was started as a racist response to our current President by the guy pictured already in this thread. Then it was expanded by wealthy people who saw an opportunity to push things forward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family

[HapSmo19]

NO! YOU ARE THE WHO SHOULD STFU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQBKZW0SNgk

Selling-out runs in the family. No surprise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eib2di9 ... re=related

[Mr_Adams]

Pimpdave, please tell us more about the Tea Party Propaganda Squads and how they fool all the Tea Party members into thinking it's a grass root movement.

It was started as a racist response to our current President by the guy pictured already in this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8

Video posted Nov. 07, before Obama was elected president, titled Ron Paul: Tea Party 07.

[pimpdave]

Two completely separate things. You claiming that's the start of the Tea Party would be like claiming the Boston Tea Party was the start of a political party, not a vandalism party.

Do you know what things like words mean? Because you're using party twice, but they mean two different things.

[Mr_Adams]

Support of Dave's claims of the beginning of the tea party:

One nut job racist claiming to be the founder


Support of Mr_Adams claims of the beginning of the tea party:

Tea party member
Video evidence
Websites
Congressman Ron Paul's own words





would the jury like to make a final decision, please?

[natty dread]

10 points to gryffindor

[Mr_Adams]

10 points to gryffindor

for sheer dumb luck

-Professor Mcgonagall

[Baron Von PWN]

For a lot of people in poor neighborhoods, a handgun is much more reliable than expecting the cops to help you or expecting them to be able to reduce crime. My problem are the Concealed Weapons Permits costing about $250 per year. Those, who needs a handgun the most, can not really afford $250 per year for a piece of paper, so many "illegally" carry a gun. This illegal action is then exploited by cops for whatever purposes--good or bad.

For someone who usually asks for substantiation of statements, I think you will be fine with me asking you substantiate that one. I'm fairly certain there is very little data to suggest that is the case.

Intuitively, it makes sense, and I base my observation on conversations with people. Sure, that may limit my obsevations to my immediate area; however, consider the following and maybe it's not so limited to my immediate area:

How many people in poor neighborhoods really appreciate cops? Judging from my conversations with 10 police officers, poor people tend to hate cops. Judging from my conversations with random people around my city, they tend to roll their eyes at me, thinking I'm an idiot (which they should because it's such an obvious answer). They usually don't want to cooperate with police because the police may be corrupt or untrustworthy, or those in power in the immediate neighborhood may punish others for cooperating with police. Therefore, relying on police becomes difficult, so a handgun for a lot of people in poorer neighborhoods is seen as more reliable.

They may feel that way, but wether or not it actualy provides any real protection is pretty questionable to me. How is a handgun goin to protect your home from a break an enter if you;re not there? how doese a handgun protect you if you get mugged(are you going to wipe the gun out when they already have a gun/knife on you?)?

This is one of those things bassed on "common sense" that keep being repeated, without much in the way of solid evidence to back it up. do a survey of victims of crime, compare gun owners to non gunowners and see if gun owners suffer from fewer crimes. Then you;d have something.

BVP, yes, it depends. It depends on how aware you are of your environment, it depends on whether or not people know that you keep a very large gun at home, it depends on a multitude of things, but this doesn't change the fact that a gun still can provide protection.

But the threat of someone having a gun still acts as a deterrent, nonetheless.

Your survey would have to distinguish between certain crimes within certain areas. Like I said before, that concealed weapons permit is frequentely used to bust people only because they're holding a gun on them. They committed a crime because they have been priced out of legally being authorized to hold a concealed weapon.

I'm not saying it can't. I'm just suspicious that It would provide protection to the degree that gun owners would suffer from fewer crimes than non gun-owners.

[BigBallinStalin]

I dunno, BVP. All I know is that cops around here and perhaps in many crime-ridden places, are just unreliable.

A handgun provides some form of security.

How one uses the gun depends on how he's going to be treated.

I'd agree that if you're getting mugged, it's best not to escalate the violence. But then again, it just depends on the scenario and how one handles it at what time. It definitely helps having a gun for some scenarios, and in other scenarios it only makes things worse. It just depends, and I don't think there's any overall answer for that.

[Woodruff]

You give them your wallet, then wip the gun out as they run away. POP.

This is actually one of the more intelligent gun protection ideas.. not that I truly agree with it, but it is closer to a correct response.
The REAL answer is to get the police, but in poorer neighborhood (and sometimes even wealthy ones) that can take a very long time.

that's why you SHOOT THEM. Not fatally, though. legs, or something. aim for the crotch area, if you are feeling vindictive

If you shoot a mugger in the legs as they're running away, be prepared to be successfully sued for everything you've got.

[Phatscotty]

Pimpdave, please tell us more about the Tea Party Propaganda Squads and how they fool all the Tea Party members into thinking it's a grass root movement.

It was started as a racist response to our current President by the guy pictured already in this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8

Video posted Nov. 07, before Obama was elected president, titled Ron Paul: Tea Party 07.

nice find this is the one where you can see Chris Christie with Ron Paul. at first glance I just thought it was security...