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Re: Stupid Laws

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:11 pm

Johnny Rockets wrote:Laws against suicide are there primarily to allow the authorities to hold you after an attempt, for a period of time to help you stay safe. 99% of the time any charge like this gets dropped.

Small titty laws in Aussie porn were put in place to combat underage and child porn.

I'm not sure of how well thats working but if it helps combat child pornography I'm all for it.

It's not working nor helping at all to my knowledge. It just introduces yet another victimless crime in order to make some people look like they do something and improve their chances at getting elected. The criminalization of porn featuring adult women with small breasts has no impact on porn featuring underage persons and children, instead it creates unnecessary work for the police and prosecutors, draining resources that they could otherwise put to use in order to investigate crimes where there actually is a victim. Like encouraging people to report sexual abuse of children by a family member or acquaintance, who are reponsible for roughly 90% of all victims according to Wikipedia.


There seems to be a rise of sites that portray the youngest looking women possible. Not the barely 18 stuff, but the "I can't believe she's 18" crap. If you're getting your rocks off viewing a pre-pubecent looking girl who's shaved, with non existent breasts, wearing sailor moon skirts and pig tails, then you should be gut shot and left to die on an anthill.

I can't say I've investigated that matter, but you seem to know something about it and will assume you've done some research and that your claims are correct. I'm not sure I see what the problem is, though, so long as actual children and adolescents aren't portrayed.

Regarding your proposed punishment for people who deviate from your sexual preferences... I'm opposed to the death penalty on principle, and torturing someone to death for a thought-crime seems particularly excessive. Seriously, so what if a 19 year-old, of sound mind and body, who looks younger than she is dresses up as Sailor Moon and acts in a porn movie? She's an adult and capable of entering such business agreements. Would you seriously forbid adults from working as porn actresses or strippers because they look "too young" (however that is determined, that's a further gaping hole) or have "too small" (Sorry, no B-cups allowed, go have a medically unnecessary surgery that is likely to cause problems later) breasts? Would you furthermore really mortally wound and leave to die an agonizing death the people who would watch their movies or visit the locales where they work? Not the people who rape children, but law-abiding citizens who have other turn-ons than you do.

Now, before you go off on a rant accusing me of being a pedophile and having ulterior motives, I think that rape, whether of an adult, an adolescent or a child, whether of a man or of a woman, whether by a man or by a woman, should carry the harshest of penalties. Child abuse should be right up there with it. The documentation of such acts and the subsequent distribution of the material should carry a penalty as well, particularly if done for profit. The possession of such documents should also be illegal.

What I object to are laws that infringe on the rights of adults while causing more problems than they solve. That law from Natchez, Missouri in the OP may sound funny, but it adresses loophole that can cause some pretty big, though rare, problems (like a rampaging elephant). The Australian law banning small tits from porn doesn't even do that, instead it effectively achieves the opposite of what its proponents claimed they introduced it for by creating more work for an understaffed police force that now has to spend its time investigating people who haven't harmed anyone else, who haven't even actively offended anyone else.
Sure, you are offended by Sailor Moon getting her brains banged out, but as long as those who like to see that kind of thing don't walk up to you with their tablet PC going "Hey, dude, look at this!" or masturbate to it in public they are not actively offending anyone.


So, I hope I've made a case for why that law from Australia is particularly stupid.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:24 pm

I would have to think the obvious problem with making up adults as little girls and then undressing them would be guys watching that may become interested in partners that look that way. Most people that look that way probably are actuall little girls. I think most of us can agree that's a negative thing.

I don't have a problem with a woman that is obviously older dressing up like that but somewhat agree with Rockets here.
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Postby MeDeFe on Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:38 pm

2dimes wrote:I would have to think the obvious problem with making up adults as little girls and then undressing them would be guys watching that may become interested in partners that look that way. Most people that look that way probably are actuall little girls. I think most of us can agree that's a negative thing.

I don't have a problem with a woman that is obviously older dressing up like that but somewhat agree with Rockets here.

The only problem with "they might begin wanting to do that to real kids" is that there is zero evidence for that happening. The cause for pedophilia (as well as hebephilia and ephebophilia (at which point the age of consent has often been reached)) is not determined yet, but watching cosplay porn with small-breasted women has pretty much been ruled out afaik.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:49 pm

So are you suggesting you'd only want to see pr0n featuring girls that appear to be 12 if you're all ready a pedophile? I'm off to google those big words you put out there.
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Re: Stupid Laws

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:54 pm

"Small breasted" and "appearing to be 12" are not the same thing.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:56 pm

Of course, I mentioned that sort of.
2dimes wrote:I don't have a problem with a woman that is obviously older dressing up like that but somewhat agree with Rockets here.


Thanks for helping out.

So the big words there are not used much by anyone I've met. They're interesting.
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Postby MeDeFe on Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:55 pm

2dimes wrote:So are you suggesting you'd only want to see pr0n featuring girls that appear to be 12 if you're all ready a pedophile? I'm off to google those big words you put out there.

I think that would be a case of a hebephile, but generally speaking, yes, that is what I think is the case. (Or you're a 13 year-old boy.) And as natty pointed out "small-breasted", which is what the Australian law has banned, is not the same as "looking like 12 years old", so the law remains stupid even if my assumption is wrong.

I'm not denying that there is also a nurture part to every person's sexual development, you come to regard as normal what you notice is treated as normal. It is the sort of thing the perpetuates itself in society. If the age of consent were 14 years and had been for a century or more it would probably seem like a reasonable thing by and large, same if the age of consent were "has had her first period and boys can do whenever", but 22 years would also seem perfectly reasonable if that were the norm. Social norms are shaped and maintained by people adhering to them, but social norms also shape people into adhering to them.

But I think that in the case of pedophilia especially, nature (i.e. genetics) plays the larger role by a great margin.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:22 pm

I know as I age the women I find attractive do also, I also never understood the attraction to chinese, japanese, philipeano etc. or large breasts, now I find all those much more attractive.

In support of your theory stating, "there is zero evidence for that happening." the films leading to you wanting to be with a particular age group. I like to look at a picture of 18- 23 year old woman, I'm pretty sure most people do. (not that I'm checking for ID before I go to the hot and sexy thread) but if I get too close to a real one they seem much too young, (I'm sure they're thinking I'm older than their dad at the same time). Yet if my buddy was having sexual relations with one I'd probably be more apt to high five him than take him to Johnny's ant hill.

Pr0n laws in Canada are allways changing a little and they never could enforce them. I don't know if Customs still does but, there used to be a department where guys would screen tapes before allowing them to be sold in the country if they were imported. The internet has really hurt local business, my buddy owns an "Adult video store" his business has declined huge. It's mostly older guys that are afraid of getting a computer virus that still rent or buy.
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Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:28 pm

2dimes wrote:I know as I age the women I find attractive do also, I also never understood the attraction to chinese, japanese, philipeano etc. or large breasts, now I find all those much more attractive.

In support of your theory stating, "there is zero evidence for that happening." the films leading to you wanting to be with a particular age group. I like to look at a picture of 18- 23 year old woman, I'm pretty sure most people do. (not that I'm checking for ID before I go to the hot and sexy thread) but if I get too close to a real one they seem much too young, (I'm sure they're thinking I'm older than their dad at the same time). Yet if my buddy was having sexual relations with one I'd probably be more apt to high five him than take him to Johnny's ant hill.

Pr0n laws in Canada are allways changing a little and they never could enforce them. I don't know if Customs still does but, there used to be a department where guys would screen tapes before allowing them to be sold in the country if they were imported. The internet has really hurt local business, my buddy owns an "Adult video store" his business has declined huge. It's mostly older guys that are afraid of getting a computer virus that still rent or buy.


Did you just pull a PLAYER283737 tactic?

Moving from attractive young girls to the economic effects of the Internet on local video stories??
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:32 pm

Yes. His store is a non union shop if that helps.
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Re: Stupid Laws

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:45 pm

Back on OT, well really MeDeFe's point: laws on victimless crimes tend to be stupid.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:00 pm

Hold on, I thought the topic was hot tennis playing women in their 30s in white shirts and plaid skirts. I'm going to google image that. EDIT: It's not bad, it resulted in several good pics.
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Postby MeDeFe on Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:46 pm

2dimes wrote:Yes. His store is a non union shop if that helps.

Are you going to give us the address and homepage in a few posts? And are you getting a bounty on each new customer?
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:55 pm

He's pretty low tech so there's no homepage. You made me curious so I googled it and found a review.

JasonG wrote:TCAV is a wacky place, man.
Firstly, it seems to be in the basement of some pretty low-end apartments. Secondly, as you enter, you walk down a long, dirty hallway with a number of doors, none of which are clearly marked as being the entrance to the store. So after choosing door #3 (the others didn't open, thankfully - don't know what was behind doors #1 & 2, and don't want to know!). I entered into a veritable labyrinth of porn. They claim a huge selection of DVDs, and they are certainly not lying. You name it, they've got it. No need to elaborate.
In addition to the vast collection of DVDs, They also carry a modest selection of toys and magazines. Come to think of it, maybe modest isn't the right word to describe anything to do with this place. Let's just say they've got more DVDs than anything else. I think you get the point. Let's just put this place at the opposite end of the spectrum from "couples friendly". Not my cup of tea, but as they say, different strokes for different folks.
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Postby MeDeFe on Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:59 pm

2dimes wrote:He's pretty low tech so there's no homepage. You made me curious so I googled it and found a review.

JasonG wrote:TCAV is a wacky place, man.
Firstly, it seems to be in the basement of some pretty low-end apartments. Secondly, as you enter, you walk down a long, dirty hallway with a number of doors, none of which are clearly marked as being the entrance to the store. So after choosing door #3 (the others didn't open, thankfully - don't know what was behind doors #1 & 2, and don't want to know!). I entered into a veritable labyrinth of porn. They claim a huge selection of DVDs, and they are certainly not lying. You name it, they've got it. No need to elaborate.
In addition to the vast collection of DVDs, They also carry a modest selection of toys and magazines. Come to think of it, maybe modest isn't the right word to describe anything to do with this place. Let's just say they've got more DVDs than anything else. I think you get the point. Let's just put this place at the opposite end of the spectrum from "couples friendly". Not my cup of tea, but as they say, different strokes for different folks.

Now you've made me wish I lived in the vicinity.
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Re: Stupid Laws

Postby SirSebstar on Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:41 am

http://gizmodo.com/5810109/tennessee-ju ... es-illegal

Did Tennessee really ban offensive picture off the internet?
unvote australia Vote Tennessee
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Re: Stupid Laws

Postby natty dread on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:24 am

SirSebstar wrote:http://gizmodo.com/5810109/tennessee-just-made-offensive-online-pictures-illegal

Did Tennessee really ban offensive picture off the internet?
unvote australia Vote Tennessee


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Re: Stupid Laws

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:00 am

isaiah40 wrote:There's one other I can't seem to track down. I don't know how true it is but I've heard in Canada it is illegal to commit suicide. Like what are they going to do to do, put you 6 feet under!? :lol:


No, it's not true any more.

But why pick on Canada? Suicide used to be illegal everywhere, back when most civil law was derived from Church law. Since suicide is a mortal sin and prevents communion, it was of course illegal as well. Over the last couple centuries, as laws have gotten more secular, most of those have disappeared. Not just in Canada, but in most countries.
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:20 am

I want more background on this one.
isaiah40 wrote:Before proceeding through the intersection of Douglas and Broadway, a motorist is required to get out of their vehicle and fire three shot gun rounds into the air. Wichita Kansas
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Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:10 pm

2dimes wrote:I want more background on this one.
isaiah40 wrote:Before proceeding through the intersection of Douglas and Broadway, a motorist is required to get out of their vehicle and fire three shot gun rounds into the air. Wichita Kansas


I believe it's been quoted from its original context:

"While one exits the vehicles and fires three shots, they must also let loose a wild hick scream that lasts a minimum of 8 seconds."
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:12 pm

Sounds like an excellent spot for a live feed web show.
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Re: Stupid Laws

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:31 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:There's one other I can't seem to track down. I don't know how true it is but I've heard in Canada it is illegal to commit suicide. Like what are they going to do to do, put you 6 feet under!? :lol:


No, it's not true any more.

But why pick on Canada? Suicide used to be illegal everywhere, back when most civil law was derived from Church law. Since suicide is a mortal sin and prevents communion, it was of course illegal as well. Over the last couple centuries, as laws have gotten more secular, most of those have disappeared. Not just in Canada, but in most countries.

I answered this before.

Both of you are sort of missing a big point.

Even aside from the fact that being suicidal is considered a definition of insanity, most suicides only claim to be "victimless", the person is just egocentric enough to think that is true. The reality is that unless you plan very, very well, you first risk botching the job and then becoming a "burden to society" in our medical care system (since anyone not able to vocally refuse must be treated to the fullest). Some of the classics can present real problems. Jumping off a bridge can seriously present navigation problems, can hurt water supplies, etc. Someone using a gun leaves a big mess to be cleaned up. (actually, almost any suicide does that). Etc.
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Postby isaiah40 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:26 pm

2dimes wrote:I want more background on this one.
isaiah40 wrote:Before proceeding through the intersection of Douglas and Broadway, a motorist is required to get out of their vehicle and fire three shot gun rounds into the air. Wichita Kansas


City ordinance 349 of Wichita, Kansas is where it is from.
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:00 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
2dimes wrote:I want more background on this one.
isaiah40 wrote:Before proceeding through the intersection of Douglas and Broadway, a motorist is required to get out of their vehicle and fire three shot gun rounds into the air. Wichita Kansas


City ordinance 349 of Wichita, Kansas is where it is from.

Thanks. I meant I want a transcript of the drunken counsil meeting where they passed the law.
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Re: Stupid Laws

Postby KingOfGods on Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:27 pm

Cambodia:

It is illegal to intentionally jump onto any of the 10 million land mines that scar the country.

By law anyone criticizing the Khmer Rouge, the Heng Samrin or Hun Sen regimes will have their heads chopped off.

Iceland:

If a Leprechaun calls at your door you must, by law, give him a share of your dinner.

It is forbidden to run a Marathon in less than 3 hours 30 minutes.

Illinois:

A man can force any single woman to marry him is he discovers her picking her nose while sitting in a car at traffic lights. Zion

Bees are not allowed to fly over the village or through any of Kirkland’s streets.

Eating in a place that is on fire is against the law.

It is against the law to speak English in Illinois.

It is illegal to drive a car without a steering wheel.

It is legal to protest naked in front of city hall as long as you are under seventeen years of age and have legal permits. Chicago

No monster may enter the corporate limits. Urbana

You may be convicted of a Class 4 felony offense, punishable by up to three years in state prison, for the crime of “eavesdropping” on your own conversation. -720 ILCS 5/14-2.

China:

Rescuing a drowning person is not allowed as it would be interfering with their fate.

To go to college you must be intelligent.

Alaska:

Eating a neighbor’s baby is strictly forbidden.

It is illegal to eat live eels in public unless you shout “Warning – Idiot eating eels” beforehand.

Men must NEVER be completely naked.

Owners of flamingos may not allow their pet to enter a barbers.

Switzerland:

A man may not relieve himself while standing up, after 10 P.M.

It is against the law for any man to unilaterally declare war on another country.

It is illegal for banks to refuse vault owner to store dead relatives in their vaults – provided the period of storage does not exceed 7 months.

Greece:

It is legal to strike anyone from Turkey with a Phalanx (small sword) except on alternate Monday.

No one is allowed to play electronic games.

Utah:

Birds have the right of way on all highways.

Pharmacists may not sell gunpowder to cure headaches.

A husband is responsible for every criminal act committed by his wife while she is in his presence.

Wisconsin:

If one is thought of as offensive looking, it is illegal for him to be in public during the day. Milwaukee

It is illegal to worry a squirrel. La Crosse

No male is allowed to be in a state of arousal in public. Kenosha

Nuclear weapons may not be manufactured in the city limits. Sun Prairie

Whenever two trains meet at an intersection of said tracks, neither shall proceed until the other has.
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