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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:41 pm

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Anyway, that guy is assuming that his news agency is a more worthy source mainly because he deems his own articles as worthy. Why support the competition? He implies that he knows what's best for others, which is a claim I can't swallow. Over time, I'm speculating that the collection websites will differentiate their aggregated sources and provide information to more specific target markets, thus expanding the range in quality and subject matter of information.

So, if the mainstream media are out (which I highly doubt), we'll still have good alternatives.

For example, a blog's credibility comes from its posters. Marginalrevolution.com is a great blog site on economics, and no mainstream media business model was required.


No, his point was that without news gatherers there is no news to aggregate. The NYT (in this case) is not a more worthy source - it IS a source. Blog posts are opinion. Blogs don't have stringers, fact checkers, editors, international networks. Good journalism - and I am admittedly an optimist here - is an attempt to filter out opinion and conjecture. It's never entirely successful, but the distinction exists, and it's an important one, and it is in danger of disappearing.


I don't see how the demand for on-the-ground informers/reporters would disappear without that guy and his obsolete business model. The NYT gets their news from people who ask questions and go places. Without places like NYT, it's not like the people who can ask questions and go places would suddenly disappear. There's profits to be earned from "exploiting" that line of work.


if it's an obsolete business model, where are the profits to be made? The NYT made a net loss of $39 million last financial year. I know most broadsheets in the UK are hemorrhaging money. Yes the demand will still exist, but who's going to pay for it? A phone call to a government press office can be made cheaply from any blogger's bedroom. But reporting on the ground, from inside a warzone, demands time and resources and local contacts and money.

Colvin's last report from Homs is behind the Times' firewall but it's probably around elsewhere now... it's a powerful piece of reportage, and it is about the harm being done to civilians by the war and the harsh conditions inside the town. Reporting, in other words, that IMO would have been impossible without the resources she had. According to one obit, she once left a satellite phone on overnight, costing her employer $25,000 - how many bloggers could take that hit?

She was a pretty extraordinary woman actually - had her left eye taken out by shrapnel while reporting on the civil war (sorry, furthering the interests of the NWO elite) in Sri Lanka, then only had local anaesthesia so she could report on the operation. And then she carried on reporting from warzones. (She must have been a very highly paid PR agent).



They probably need to reorganize their capital structure in order to capture profits through different means. If they fail to re-organize, then they might go out of business. It just depends. So, the service of providing information might not be the problem (i.e. the business itself); it's how they capture profit which is the problem (i.e. the business model).


I don't know what bloggers would do about obtaining inside information. Some Syrian might upload stories to a website, and his friend would find a translator and write stories. It could be that the business structure is that simple. Maybe that even exists, but we don't know about it.

Providing information, I imagine, is very similar for private intelligence businesses. Take Stratfor, for example. It's a private intel service that provides detailed accounts of situations across the world on their website. It (used to) cost a monthly fee, and as far as I know, they're in business.

NY Times doesn't charge a monthly fee for their website, yet they expect to somehow be a profitable business by earning income from their newspapers, or whatever, maybe advertisements. Obviously, they need to find new ways of obtaining profits. Maybe they could take a percentage of the earnings from the books of their reporters, maybe they could charge for their website, or exclude the good articles to only paying members. There's many ways out there; it just depends on hiring the right people to find those opportunities and implement them.


So, I'm not really worried about mainstream new agencies failing and there somehow being a lack of information available for the public. For each one that falls, there's less competition for the others, thus a more likely opportunity of obtaining more profits. Again, the main problem seems to be their means of capturing profit; it's not so much a problem with the business itself--just the current, unprofitable business model.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:47 pm

RE this post: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=165482&p=3627702#p3627277


In saxi's defense, many news agencies, which operate in the US, do not post stories which the US government (mainly the State Department) would deem "inappropriate" because the US State Department could simply exclude them from press releases and all the hot-shit that sells. In this sense, the US government exerts considerable influence over the reporting of international events--especially in areas of conflict.

Another issue is the rules which the US government places on reporters in areas of conflict. From what I recall over the years, the US government can simply forbid US news agencies from reporting in areas deemed as too risky. If they break those rules, then the US government will deny them access to the "hot-shit," or maybe even kick them out of a specific Green Zone, or maybe use some other means of coercion.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:22 pm

heavycola wrote:
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heavycola wrote:that depends who the journalist is exposing


LMAO, the west's integrated corporate-fascist media-state really has you strung up good! You're just like those obedient little Berliners who read with horror the reports of brave journalists about all the atrocities the Czechoslovak government had been committing against the innocent Sudetans. "Remarkable journalists" who "denounced, unstintingly, Hácha's regime."


Absolutely. I'm a mindless zombie, herded gratefully from received opinion to received opinion by murdoch and the rest of the illuminati, while you alone know the TRUTH. And there was me thinking all the CC tinfoil hatters had fucked off to their bunkers.

Not sure who you were citing in those quotation marks, though. Looks like a mix of things I said and things you have made up combined to make some sort of straw man point. Using fabricated quotes to advance your own agenda - the corporate-fascist media-state would be proud of you.

Also, Godwin.


Keeping beating those war drums (or, rather, asking others to beat them for you)! You scored a pretty good body county in Libya but there are thousands of Syrian children who don't really need both arms. Rupert Murdoch would be proud of you for defending his favorite employees and denouncing all those wicked, evil, brown-skinned Syrian kids.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:26 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:RE this post: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=165482&p=3627702#p3627277


In saxi's defense, many news agencies, which operate in the US, do not post stories which the US government (mainly the State Department) would deem "inappropriate" because the US State Department could simply exclude them from press releases and all the hot-shit that sells. In this sense, the US government exerts considerable influence over the reporting of international events--especially in areas of conflict.

Another issue is the rules which the US government places on reporters in areas of conflict. From what I recall over the years, the US government can simply forbid US news agencies from reporting in areas deemed as too risky. If they break those rules, then the US government will deny them access to the "hot-shit," or maybe even kick them out of a specific Green Zone, or maybe use some other means of coercion.


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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:40 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:RE this post: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=165482&p=3627702#p3627277


In saxi's defense, many news agencies, which operate in the US, do not post stories which the US government (mainly the State Department) would deem "inappropriate" because the US State Department could simply exclude them from press releases and all the hot-shit that sells. In this sense, the US government exerts considerable influence over the reporting of international events--especially in areas of conflict.

Another issue is the rules which the US government places on reporters in areas of conflict. From what I recall over the years, the US government can simply forbid US news agencies from reporting in areas deemed as too risky. If they break those rules, then the US government will deny them access to the "hot-shit," or maybe even kick them out of a specific Green Zone, or maybe use some other means of coercion.


This is a great point. Cyrus Safdari at the pro-Iran blog iranaffairs.com once noted that the political economy of modern journalism encourages parrot reporting, reporting foreign affairs from the perspective of foreign ministries.

    The Rupert Murdoch-owned Sunday Times had 1 reporter covering a nation (Syria) the size of the UK who would only enter for a week or two at a time. If a media outlet assigned 1 part-time reporter to cover the entire nation of the United Kingdom - now, say, the UK was engulfed by a violent civil war, the trains had stopped running, there was no indigineous press the reporter was allowed to source or reference - how likely is that reporter going to be able to provide even a semi-accurate picture?

    Meanwhile, the Public Relations section of the UK embassy in Syria has a staff of 6 ... six people to "liaison" with 1 reporter, help her "connect" with groups (armed insurgents) to facilitate her travel, present the images and settings that supports the insurgent storyline. The woman was embedded with armed insurgents (not peace picketers - peace picketers don't ambush and massacre a convoy of 120 troops or launch suicide bombings against daycares ... that takes foreign-financed heavy weaponry and tactical training) -- she never spent 2 minutes embedded with the Syrian Sûreté, the Gendarmerie, the Army, the Civil Police or the Republican Guard. Even the freakin' fire department! And her reporting was "objective?" LMAO.
It's easier for media outlets to accept a Foreign Ministry assigned frame, rely on press releases, YouTube videos that have been proven staged forgeries at best and unverifiable at worst and announcements by groups like the "Syrian Human Rights Observatory" (financed by the exiled leader of a coup attempt against the current government) than invest in real journalism.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby heavycola on Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:59 am

saxitoxin wrote:(MASSIVE SCARY GRAPHIC)


Reuters' style guide? Do you know what a style guide is?
These recent reuters headlines suggest not:
"China urges Syria government, rebels to start dialogue"
"U.S. accuses Iran's government of hypocrisy"
They also suggest that the creator of that graphic has cherrypicked tiny bits of data - unreferenced, individual quotes, in fact, and meaningless without wider context - to make some half-arsed point. Last time you invented quotes; this time you are using a huge scary graphic that is supposed to damn a news agency by revealing a hidden agenda, when a) the most cursory google check reveals it's bullshit and b) the dataset is as small as it could possibly be, and contains no references to the stories they were pulled from. Again, poor, poor arguments, bordering on mendacity. If you want to quote reuters' style guide, then find the style guide.
saxitoxin wrote:And her reporting was "objective?" LMAO

See, you're doing it again - the quote marks suggest I said that. I didn't. Surely you can see the irony here - lambasting marie colvin for making shit up, and then making shit up to support your own arguments?

edit: Actually this is classic conspiracy theory. It has all the hallmarks:

- shadowy, unseen elites pulling the strings (puppet image optional) - CHECK
- misquotation, dexcontextualisation, and cherrypicked 'facts' used to support POV despite all evidence to contrary - CHECK
- world divided into the few who see the TRUTH vs blind sheeple - CHECK
- frequent use of acronyms like LOL, LMAO (this one is more a forum style for tinfoil hatters, but it's a giveaway) - CHECK
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby heavycola on Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:21 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
They probably need to reorganize their capital structure in order to capture profits through different means. If they fail to re-organize, then they might go out of business. It just depends. So, the service of providing information might not be the problem (i.e. the business itself); it's how they capture profit which is the problem (i.e. the business model).


I don't know what bloggers would do about obtaining inside information. Some Syrian might upload stories to a website, and his friend would find a translator and write stories. It could be that the business structure is that simple. Maybe that even exists, but we don't know about it.

Providing information, I imagine, is very similar for private intelligence businesses. Take Stratfor, for example. It's a private intel service that provides detailed accounts of situations across the world on their website. It (used to) cost a monthly fee, and as far as I know, they're in business.

NY Times doesn't charge a monthly fee for their website, yet they expect to somehow be a profitable business by earning income from their newspapers, or whatever, maybe advertisements. Obviously, they need to find new ways of obtaining profits. Maybe they could take a percentage of the earnings from the books of their reporters, maybe they could charge for their website, or exclude the good articles to only paying members. There's many ways out there; it just depends on hiring the right people to find those opportunities and implement them.


So, I'm not really worried about mainstream new agencies failing and there somehow being a lack of information available for the public. For each one that falls, there's less competition for the others, thus a more likely opportunity of obtaining more profits. Again, the main problem seems to be their means of capturing profit; it's not so much a problem with the business itself--just the current, unprofitable business model.


Yeah the business model problem is a big one. I think paywalls will be the way to go, and maybe new & optimised ways of delivering news to tablets & smartphones thru subs.

it's not just about raw data though. The point here about a large, long-standing news organisation - like the NYT - is twofold really: proper context (the who, what, where, why etc) can only be provided to any decent standard by a reporter on the ground. A phone call to a blogger is one point of view. What's the caller's agenda? who do they work for? what's the opposing POV? etc. The second point is an institutional series of editorial filters that are supposed to ensure facts are checked and balance is maintained. Although, as i KEEP SAYING, this is an impossible ideal, especially nowadays given the increasing financial constraints on newspapers etc. There's a good book that looks at this by Nick Davies called Flat Earth News (Davies is also the hack that broke the phone hacking story over here - biggest British story of the decade, one that has uncovered systemic corruption among politicians and senior police... hardly a govt PR stunt).

It's not a lack of info that's the problem, it is the quality and context of that info. That's the difference. Is the current model flawed? f*ck yes. But it still does a great job, too.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:55 pm

heavycola wrote:
Yeah the business model problem is a big one. I think paywalls will be the way to go, and maybe new & optimised ways of delivering news to tablets & smartphones thru subs.

it's not just about raw data though. The point here about a large, long-standing news organisation - like the NYT - is twofold really: proper context (the who, what, where, why etc) can only be provided to any decent standard by a reporter on the ground. A phone call to a blogger is one point of view. What's the caller's agenda? who do they work for? what's the opposing POV? etc.

The second point is an institutional series of editorial filters that are supposed to ensure facts are checked and balance is maintained. Although, as i KEEP SAYING, this is an impossible ideal, especially nowadays given the increasing financial constraints on newspapers etc. There's a good book that looks at this by Nick Davies called Flat Earth News (Davies is also the hack that broke the phone hacking story over here - biggest British story of the decade, one that has uncovered systemic corruption among politicians and senior police... hardly a govt PR stunt).

It's not a lack of info that's the problem, it is the quality and context of that info. That's the difference. Is the current model flawed? f*ck yes. But it still does a great job, too.



I think this relates to both of your points:


I like to think that reporters and the staff of mainstream media outlets are neutral, but they aren't. Perhaps their standard is higher than the average blogger's and freelancer's, but then again, it's difficult to say. I'd rather evaluate the actual content of blogger's, reporter's, and company's reports. So, it's very possible that the source or distributor of the information doesn't matter as much as one's evaluation of the compiled intelligence (i.e. news report after analysis based on raw information from original sources).

Do mainstream news agencies on average have better quality intelligence/information than bloggers, freelancers, etc.? I really don't know, but I can't assume either way, so I'm hesitant to agree with you that the Big Shots still do a great job.

This is conjecture, but I think that they could still produce the equivalent quality material with a different business model, so given the above, I'm not really concerned about their financial issues and the suspected decrease in future quality of news reporting in general.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:55 pm

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    Paul Conroy palling around with his buddy Abdel-Hakim Belhaj, suicide bomb mastermind who likes using high explosives to detach the heads and limbs from small children.

    Rupert Murdoch's staff writers use this type of "journalism" - having a smoke break with the subject of your report ... the only subject you interview, quote or observe as you can't be bothered to hear or present the other side ... actively collaborating with one side while using the corporate media noise machine to "denounce" (as heavycola says) anyone opposing the hysterical drive for war made palatable by playing with the public's emotions -- whipping the population into a bloodthirsty war frenzy. This is the job Rupert Murdoch paid people like Colvin (she was reportedly making mid 6-figures) to perform.

Anti-War/Anti-Neocon/Peace & Democracy activist Tony Cartallucci provides a damning indictment of Paul "Julius Streicher" Conroy ...

March 4, 2012 - Just in time for the "Friends of Syria" conference led by former imperialists Britain and France who appear to be piecemeal reassembling their empires under the cover of US-led NATO-backed "revolutions," the world was treated to a spectacularly timed "casus belli."

It was dubiously reported by Western media that the Syrian government had intentionally shelled the position of British and French journalists in the city of Homs for the explicit purpose of "silencing them." The reports claimed that the attacks were planned and broadcast over easily intercepted radio traffic picked up by intelligence officers in Lebanon. It would turn out that these journalists had illegally entered the country.

Two journalists were allegedly killed, and others allegedly wounded including British "freelance journalist" Paul Conroy. After being evacuated, Conroy would make an impassioned plea for someone to stop what he called a "massacre beyond measure." One wonders how exactly a military operation conducted against admittedly armed militants holding a city hostage can be called a "massacre," and why despite Conroy and his colleagues having been in Homs, failed to justify with substantial evidence these claims.

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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:45 pm

The "Friends of Syria Israel" aren't having a good day today. With 59% of the vote - the Boss is Back!

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Running against Putin were the hilariously bumbling, so-called "Russian opposition", the darlings of the BBC, NPR, FOX News and US State Department ... (1) an American multi-billionaire sports team owner, (2) a lunatic who wants Russia to capture Alaska and once proposed having a summit with Bill Clinton in a hot tub where they would massage each other, (3) a third candidate who actually endorsed Putin and (4) Gennady Zyuganov, a friend of former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke (who now lives next door in Ukraine).
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:29 pm

heavycola wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:(MASSIVE SCARY GRAPHIC)


Reuters' style guide? Do you know what a style guide is?
These recent reuters headlines suggest not:


Hunny bunny, why don't you find one example of a Reuters report referencing - outside of a quote - the brutal Saudi monarchy as a "regime" and then I'll shut-up. Seriously. Easy offer. You find just one ... just one! ... example of a Reuters story referencing the "Saudi regime" and I'll go away. What a deal! :P

    Wanna make it even more delicious? You'll agree that I need to find "X" examples of Reuters referencing the "Syrian regime" and you'll go away. You can name ANY single digit number you like in place of "X." Go ahead, let's make this happen! It'll be a fun showdown to see who wins, Saxi or the Pro-Newscorp Neo-Con Warmonger.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:40 pm

Tony Cartalucci needs to prove that the US and/or NATO have directly funded these terrorist organizations. Unfortunately, such information is classified. However, it may be likely that the US/NATO has lent material support to terrorists in Libya--specifically Belhaj's organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). Honestly, we really don't know exactly what kind of role the US/NATO clandestinely played in Libya and now in Syria.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:52 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Tony Cartalucci needs to prove that the US and/or NATO have directly funded these terrorist organizations. Unfortunately, such information is classified. However, it may be likely that the US/NATO has lent material support to terrorists in Libya--specifically Belhaj's organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). Honestly, we really don't know exactly what kind of role the US/NATO clandestinely played in Libya and now in Syria.


It's been established with everything short of an actual equipment manifesto that the U.S. and her UK/French puppets armed the Libyan terrorists (or "rebels" as the Reuters style guide demands ... until they crash a plane into the Sears Tower and the style guide changes the term back to "terrorists" so as to whip the public into war hysteria [see: Afghanistan 1984-2001]).

US paves way to arm Libyan rebels
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/arms-libya-rebels

France admits it armed Libyan rebels
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2011/0630/France-admits-it-armed-Libyan-rebels

Cameron is ready to arm the rebels as air strikes set to continue
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -goes.html

Italy to supply Libyan rebels with arms
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-wo ... 1edrm.html
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:01 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Tony Cartalucci needs to prove that the US and/or NATO have directly funded these terrorist organizations. Unfortunately, such information is classified. However, it may be likely that the US/NATO has lent material support to terrorists in Libya--specifically Belhaj's organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). Honestly, we really don't know exactly what kind of role the US/NATO clandestinely played in Libya and now in Syria.


It's been established with everything short of an actual equipment manifesto that the U.S. and her UK/French puppets armed the Libyan terrorists.

US paves way to arm Libyan rebels
Clinton tells London conference that US has decided UN security council resolution 1973 over-rode absolute prohibition of arms to Libya
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... bya-rebels

France admits it armed Libyan rebels
France's admission Wednesday that it provided weapons to Libyan rebels renews debate on the legality and wisdom of arming rebels in conflicts whose outcome is unpredictable.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terroris ... yan-rebels

Cameron is ready to arm the rebels as air strikes set to continue
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -goes.html


Oh, I'm aware of these kinds of events, but arming rebels/insurgents and arming terrorists are too different things. Of course, if the propaganda PR department tends to define groups arbitrarily, then they can easily justify arming terrorists insurgents.

The point is that Tony still lacks sufficient evidence to support his claim that the US/NATO have supported terrorist organizations in Libya and now in Syria. I'm thinking 10-30 years from now when we discover the truth, these past events will be so insignificant that it won't really impact the domestic public opinion on the US. Also, since those politicians then will probably long gone, then no one is really held accountable for supporting terrorism. Accountability in democracies with low transparency on their foreign policy can be a joke.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:03 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Tony Cartalucci needs to prove that the US and/or NATO have directly funded these terrorist organizations. Unfortunately, such information is classified. However, it may be likely that the US/NATO has lent material support to terrorists in Libya--specifically Belhaj's organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). Honestly, we really don't know exactly what kind of role the US/NATO clandestinely played in Libya and now in Syria.


It's been established with everything short of an actual equipment manifesto that the U.S. and her UK/French puppets armed the Libyan terrorists.

US paves way to arm Libyan rebels
Clinton tells London conference that US has decided UN security council resolution 1973 over-rode absolute prohibition of arms to Libya
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... bya-rebels

France admits it armed Libyan rebels
France's admission Wednesday that it provided weapons to Libyan rebels renews debate on the legality and wisdom of arming rebels in conflicts whose outcome is unpredictable.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terroris ... yan-rebels

Cameron is ready to arm the rebels as air strikes set to continue
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -goes.html


Oh, I'm aware of these kinds of events, but arming rebels/insurgents and arming terrorists are two different things.


I edited my post to clarify I'm speaking using RealPolitik, versus speaking using spin/codewords/the language of NATO press releases.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:10 pm

cnn.com moments ago:

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin declared victory in the country's presidential election, telling a crowd of thousands near Moscow's Red Square that "we have won" even as the votes were still being counted.


This wording is intended to, and does, provoke a reaction in people. When proof is lacking the state media can still communicate to the public at large, with codephrases, the US regime PR position that all Russian elections are fixed. The subtleties of The Language of Persuasion ...

(It's particularly hilarious because, when was the last time CNN waited until every last vote was counted in a US presidential election to "declare a winner!!!"? During the Iowa caucus they declared a winner with 8% of the vote counted.)
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:17 pm

saxitoxin wrote:cnn.com moments ago:

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin declared victory in the country's presidential election, telling a crowd of thousands near Moscow's Red Square that "we have won" even as the votes were still being counted.


This wording is intended to, and does, provoke a reaction in people. When proof is lacking the state media can still communicate to the public at large, with codephrases, the US regime PR position that all Russian elections are fixed. The subtleties of The Language of Persuasion ...

(It's particularly hilarious because, when was the last time CNN waited until every last vote was counted in a US presidential election to "declare a winner!!!"? During the Iowa caucus they declared a winner with 8% of the vote counted.)


Another example of this ... in the manufactured enemy unanimous votes come from a "rubber stamp parliament", in home state they come from "wide consensus and bi-partisan cooperation" ...

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I found a video of heavycola and friends at the Saturday matinee cinema.

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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby heavycola on Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:06 am

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    Paul Conroy palling around with his buddy Abdel-Hakim Belhaj, suicide bomb mastermind who likes using high explosives to detach the heads and limbs from small children.

    Rupert Murdoch's staff writers use this type of "journalism" - having a smoke break with the subject of your report ... the only subject you interview, quote or observe as you can't be bothered to hear or present the other side ... actively collaborating with one side while using the corporate media noise machine to "denounce" (as heavycola says) anyone opposing the hysterical drive for war made palatable by playing with the public's emotions -- whipping the population into a bloodthirsty war frenzy. This is the job Rupert Murdoch paid people like Colvin (she was reportedly making mid 6-figures) to perform.

Anti-War/Anti-Neocon/Peace & Democracy activist Tony Cartallucci provides a damning indictment of Paul "Julius Streicher" Conroy ...

March 4, 2012 - Just in time for the "Friends of Syria" conference led by former imperialists Britain and France who appear to be piecemeal reassembling their empires under the cover of US-led NATO-backed "revolutions," the world was treated to a spectacularly timed "casus belli."


This? really? That murdoch sock puppet had an agenda! She wasn't neutral! And to prove my point, here's anti-neocon activist tony, ranting about neo-imperialism! THAT's the truth. Those reborn British and French empires must be just around the corner.

This just gets more mental. I'm going to add to that list:

- shadowy, unseen elites pulling the strings (puppet image optional) - CHECK
- misquotation, dexcontextualisation, and cherrypicked 'facts' used to support POV despite all evidence to contrary - CHECK
- world divided into the few who see the TRUTH vs blind sheeple - CHECK
- frequent use of acronyms like LOL, LMAO (this one is more a forum style for tinfoil hatters, but it's a giveaway) - CHECK
- Alluding to Nazi Germany - CHECK
- moving goalpoasts after own-goal: CHECK
- complete, almost religious blindness to the above: CHECK
- optional credit: a '1984' reference (This should be a Godwin appendix for truthers): CHECK

Arguing with truthers is like shouting in a vacuum, or discussing biology with creationists. No one gets any smarter.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:02 am

heavycola wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Image
    Paul Conroy palling around with his buddy Abdel-Hakim Belhaj, suicide bomb mastermind who likes using high explosives to detach the heads and limbs from small children.

    Rupert Murdoch's staff writers use this type of "journalism" - having a smoke break with the subject of your report ... the only subject you interview, quote or observe as you can't be bothered to hear or present the other side ... actively collaborating with one side while using the corporate media noise machine to "denounce" (as heavycola says) anyone opposing the hysterical drive for war made palatable by playing with the public's emotions -- whipping the population into a bloodthirsty war frenzy. This is the job Rupert Murdoch paid people like Colvin (she was reportedly making mid 6-figures) to perform.

Anti-War/Anti-Neocon/Peace & Democracy activist Tony Cartallucci provides a damning indictment of Paul "Julius Streicher" Conroy ...

March 4, 2012 - Just in time for the "Friends of Syria" conference led by former imperialists Britain and France who appear to be piecemeal reassembling their empires under the cover of US-led NATO-backed "revolutions," the world was treated to a spectacularly timed "casus belli."


EXTREME ANGER!!! I AM A VERY ANGRY, SLIGHTLY OVERWEIGHT, MIDDLE AGED NEO-CON! I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS AND DRINK BUD LIGHT! DO NOT CRITICIZE FOX NEWS OR I WILL NEED TO TAKE A DOUBLE-DOSE OF INSULIN FOR MY ADULT-ONSET DIABETES! FOX NEWS GIVES ME EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW AND IS 170% ACCURATE. GO ISRAEL! GO GIT 'IM JOHN MCCAIN! LET'S NUKE AFGHANISTAN IRAQ LIBYA IRAN! YEEEEEHAW!

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So, anyway, I assume your answer is a no? :P
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:52 pm

A feel good western charity "Invisible Children" which uses "film, creativity and social action" to advocate for "voiceless children" and the "plight of child soldiers" is exposed as just another government-backed PR initiative to smooth opposition to direct military intervention in the developing world (because it's "for the children" so critical thinking can be set aside) when a photographer captured by accident an image that was off-script and not intended for publication ...

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The image showed the founders of Invisible Children — Bobby Bailey, Laren Poole, and Jason Russell — posing with guns alongside members of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA), who have fought against the LRA. On Wednesday, Vice magazine posted the photograph with the headline “Should I Donate Money to Kony 2012 or Not?”

The photograph was immediately criticized.A widely-cited student blog “Visible Children” called it an indication of Invisible Children’s emphasis on direct military intervention in Uganda. The Racialicious, a race and pop culture blog, said the photo helped paint a “picture of neo-colonialism.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blo ... _world_pop


For each one of these groups callously banking on people's emotional kneejerking to "the children" that is exposed, there are twenty - like the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" - that remain unexposed.
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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:10 pm

I like Teju Cole's response to groups like "Invisible Children" and the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights":

    From Sachs to Kristof to Invisible Children to TED, the fastest growth industry in the US is the White Savior Industrial Complex.


Heavy words that heavycola can take to heart:

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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:10 pm

RT does a feature on all the Al-Jazeera reporters resigning in protest over the channel's falsification of reports from Syria and "Danny the Activist" who calls for background gunfire and sound effects before appearing on CNN ...

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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:28 am

Three journalists were killed today in Syria, however, they were killed by the NATO-armed terrorists so no crocodile tears are being shed in the west. It's all good!

http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2012/06/27/427931.htm

Three journalists and workers in the Syrian al-Ikhbaria Satellite Channel were martyred Wednesday morning in a brutal terrorist attack by an armed terrorist group targeting the headquarters of al-Ikhbaria.

The terrorists planted explosive devices in the headquarters of al-Ikhbaria following their ransacking and destroying of the Satellite Channel studios, including the newsroom studio which was entirely destroyed.

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Re: Remembering a war reporter

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:53 am

Stop it, sax. Stop ruining it for everyone. Let us remember, Marie Colvin, and how she died for freedom.
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:52 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Stop it, sax. Stop ruining it for everyone. Let us remember, Marie Colvin, and how she died for freedom.

It may be too late. Does anyone remember?
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