Republican War on Women Grows

[thegreekdog]

Anyway, I'm not sure how empowering women to pay for their own abortions can be construed as a "war on women".

This is well played.

Unrelated - Some of you may remember a thread where Natty and I argued about whether it was appropriate for me to spend my money on stuff I cared about. Well, I had a real life conversation about similar issues with a college-aged woman who was soliciting signatures and/or cash to help "save Planned Parenthood." I indicated to her that I did not want to save Planned Parenthood and she gave me a lecture on the importance of womens' rights. I believe I replied something like, "Having rights doesn't mean I have to pay for them" or something like that, and I suggested she take her solicitation to another part of the city.

When it comes to solicitations and such, I agree. However, women's reproductive health is not something that you should have a say about, any more than I should have a say about what medical care you recieve. That is the VERY big difference. And, as I stated above, medical care is just too big and, I would add too necessary, to be subject to the whims of private enterprise and profits. That doesn't mean that some models of efficiency, etc cannot be transferred into medicine, but overall... when medicine is for profit it does not help people, it makes it more expensive and less effective. (and yes, the data does prove that... remember the thread with the Texas clinics as an example of this?)

I agree that I should not have a say in what a woman (or anyone else for that matter) does with their body. And yet, we have many, many, many laws that tell people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. I can't legally smoke marijuana, for example.

Further, and more relevant, all this discussion about the Affordable Care Act is not about whether a woman can or cannot do something with her body. It's about whether or not someone else has to pay for it. And that is something I absolutely have a say in.

[oVo]

So it's okay to hand out Billions of dollars in foreign aid annually,
but issues that directly effect US citizens should be ignored?

[thegreekdog]

So it's okay to hand out Billions of dollars in foreign aid annually,
but issues that directly effect US citizens should be ignored?

I don't think we should hand out anything in foreign aid annually either (or, rather, to continue my point from above, I believe I absolutely have a say in whether and how much foreign aid we send).

[oVo]

It was foreign financial assistance 236 years ago that allowed this country to escape British rule and come into existence as a new sovereign nation. The fact that the Dutch lent large sums of money silently believing --this United States would not last long-- that the American territories would become available once more is beyond the point.

Maybe that's one of the premises which sets the foreign aid trend here, beyond the hope of establishing good will Worldwide or peddling political influence abroad.

[thegreekdog]

It was foreign financial assistance 236 years ago that allowed this country to escape British rule and come into existence as a new sovereign nation. The fact that the Dutch lent large sums of money silently believing --this United States would not last long-- that the American territories would become available once more is beyond the point.

Maybe that's one of the premises which sets the foreign aid trend here, beyond the hope of establishing good will Worldwide or peddling political influence abroad.

Well, now I'm confused. Are you saying you want the U.S. to spend on foreign aid or are you saying you don't want the U.S. to spend on foreign aid?

My original point was that when my tax dollars get taken to spend on something, I have a say in that... whether the issue is paying for contraceptions or paying for foreign aid or paying for tax credits for oil companies.

[notyou2]

All you downtrodden women come to Canada. Especially the hot ones. We are now accepting applications.