Democrat Party's War on America Grows

[AAFitz]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

Oh, that's just because they are wrong.

which ones (again)?

Dodge again?

The entire premise of the post, and every single one of your conclusions.

Perhaps you feel you deserve more information to back up the claims, than you used in your original claims, but I claim....that is not necessarily the case.

[oVo]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

Because you seem to be having difficulty calibrating the facts with wishful thinking
and measuring the mathematical percentages of each when merged.

[comic boy]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

Perhaps those with Republican sympathies view your brand of nonsense as precisely the type of reason that their party is in such a mess.

[Phatscotty]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

Oh, that's just because they are wrong.

which ones (again)?

Dodge again?

The entire premise of the post, and every single one of your conclusions.

Perhaps you feel you deserve more information to back up the claims, than you used in your original claims, but I claim....that is not necessarily the case.

aw, cmon. you can pick ONE of them. go ahead, the juiciest one. cherry pick it....
if the problem is that you are not up on events and simply do not have the information and you need sources, thats the easy part. I can get you a source to a story stating gas prices are at/near record highs (and how that hurts America)

..........I can give you the source with pictures to the Democratic National Committee 's Headquarters flying and American Flag with obama's face on it.

...I can show you the source for when America had it's credit rating downgraded (and how that is bad for America)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/06/busin ... by-sp.html

Just gotta ask before I source every piece of common knowledge. Do you really need sources for these things?

[Phatscotty]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

Because you seem to be having difficulty calibrating the facts with wishful thinking
and measuring the mathematical percentages of each when merged.

lol

which part is wishful thinking?

round and round we go!

[Phatscotty]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

Perhaps those with Republican sympathies view your brand of nonsense as precisely the type of reason that their party is in such a mess.

Nonsense? maybe to you

All of a sudden it's okay to kill bald eagles, the Democratic party is flying an American flag with Obama's face on it, they want high gas prices, our country's credit rating downgraded by adding 8+ trillion dollars to the debt in just under 4 years (and then blamed it on the dog), all of a sudden they think it's okay to discriminate on people just because they are white or a Christian and racism and religious bigotry is their obsession of the day, they try to shut down as much oil production as possible, they try to extend the food stamp rolls so they can count on votes through redistributing freebies, they accuse people who support the first and second amendment as "clinging to their bibles and their guns" when they are just practicing their rights as Americans, they want higher taxes and bigger government but won't cut their spending during a time of credit downgrades, they are content in creating 20,000 new regulations every year so far to the point where your child cannot even open up a lemonade stand in your front yard, they have even attacked the Boy Scouts of America, and they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get, they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare and say it's in the name of fairness?

[notyou2]

Phatty the GM car you drive is a socialist car because of government funding and tax breaks.

The highway system is socialist, so are the schools you attended.

So is the hospital you visit when your syphilis outbreaks occur.

The water you drink is socialist, unless it is a cooperative, then it would be communist.

Your shit is processed by socialists and the treated solids are used to grow vegetables on a cooperative (communist) farm, which you eat.

Get off your high horse and get down with the rest of the socialists and commies.

You are one.

[comic boy]

Phatty the GM car you drive is a socialist car because of government funding and tax breaks.

The highway system is socialist, so are the schools you attended.

So is the hospital you visit when your syphilis outbreaks occur.

The water you drink is socialist, unless it is a cooperative, then it would be communist.

Your shit is processed by socialists and the treated solids are used to grow vegetables on a cooperative (communist) farm, which you eat.

Get off your high horse and get down with the rest of the socialists and commies.

You are one.

You know I had just been thinking that Scotty seemed to be regressing into 1950's style witch hunt mode, seems like you had the same idea.

[Phatscotty]

...to changing our traditions and our history

[comic boy]

...to changing our traditions and our history

Nobody can change history , though the foolish view it sometimes with rose tinted glasses. As for tradition it can be the bedrock of both good and bad , if its redundant then there is little point hanging on to it.

[thegreekdog]

Man, I wish I had checked Off Topics today...

Some points:

(1) AAFitz - I hope you're trying to be funny because your pro-Democrat rhetoric is as disturbing as Phatscotty's pro-Republican rhetoric. For example, your suggestion that "[t]he republican party is owned by and completely worksf or the top 1%... while getting those in dire need of the Democratic policies to argue against them." What Democrat policies are you referring to? The bailout of the banks? The hiring of ex-financial advisors to head up SEC groups to regulate the financial industry? The Affordable Care Act boondoggle for health insurance companies? The opt-outs for 200+ companies? The Patriot Act? Which one is it? I refer you to Bones' accurate assessment of the political situation in this country (it's on page one of this thread).

(2) Phatscotty - What the hell dude? Are you turning into a conservative stooge now or what?

(3) Phatscotty - The Affordable Care Act is definitely not socialized healthcare (or socialized health insurance). It is an unconstitutional law that forces individuals to purchase health insurance from existing health insurance companies and increases the cost of health insurance. It's crony capitalism at it's cronyist and is Exhibit A of how the president is basically no different than GW Bush.

[Phatscotty]

Man, I wish I had checked Off Topics today...

Some points:

(1) AAFitz - I hope you're trying to be funny because your pro-Democrat rhetoric is as disturbing as Phatscotty's pro-Republican rhetoric. For example, your suggestion that "[t]he republican party is owned by and completely worksf or the top 1%... while getting those in dire need of the Democratic policies to argue against them." What Democrat policies are you referring to? The bailout of the banks? The hiring of ex-financial advisors to head up SEC groups to regulate the financial industry? The Affordable Care Act boondoggle for health insurance companies? The opt-outs for 200+ companies? The Patriot Act? Which one is it? I refer you to Bones' accurate assessment of the political situation in this country (it's on page one of this thread).

(2) Phatscotty - What the hell dude? Are you turning into a conservative stooge now or what?

(3) Phatscotty - The Affordable Care Act is definitely not socialized healthcare (or socialized health insurance). It is an unconstitutional law that forces individuals to purchase health insurance from existing health insurance companies and increases the cost of health insurance. It's crony capitalism at it's cronyist and is Exhibit A of how the president is basically no different than GW Bush.

Yeah I took that part out so we can focus on the issues that are not as arguable. And no I'm not a Conservative stooge, I just have a problem with the Democrat party right now, and this is semi in response to the "war on women" which we have already spoke about before. Maybe now you see what the whole thing that was supposedly over with has grown into.

Someone, can't remember who, said in 2008 "In 4 years, you will not be able to recognize America". Do you have any comment on that?

[Phatscotty]

...to changing our traditions and our history

Nobody can change history , though the foolish view it sometimes with rose tinted glasses. As for tradition it can be the bedrock of both good and bad , if its redundant then there is little point hanging on to it.

Well, then she could at least stop saying publicly and that they want to change our history

[thegreekdog]

Man, I wish I had checked Off Topics today...

Some points:

(1) AAFitz - I hope you're trying to be funny because your pro-Democrat rhetoric is as disturbing as Phatscotty's pro-Republican rhetoric. For example, your suggestion that "[t]he republican party is owned by and completely worksf or the top 1%... while getting those in dire need of the Democratic policies to argue against them." What Democrat policies are you referring to? The bailout of the banks? The hiring of ex-financial advisors to head up SEC groups to regulate the financial industry? The Affordable Care Act boondoggle for health insurance companies? The opt-outs for 200+ companies? The Patriot Act? Which one is it? I refer you to Bones' accurate assessment of the political situation in this country (it's on page one of this thread).

(2) Phatscotty - What the hell dude? Are you turning into a conservative stooge now or what?

(3) Phatscotty - The Affordable Care Act is definitely not socialized healthcare (or socialized health insurance). It is an unconstitutional law that forces individuals to purchase health insurance from existing health insurance companies and increases the cost of health insurance. It's crony capitalism at it's cronyist and is Exhibit A of how the president is basically no different than GW Bush.

Yeah I took that part out so we can focus on the issues that are not as arguable. And no I'm not a Conservative stooge, I just have a problem with the Democrat party right now, and this is semi in response to the "war on women" which we have already spoke about before. Maybe now you see what the whole thing that was supposedly over with has grown into.

Someone, can't remember who, said in 2008 "In 4 years, you will not be able to recognize America". Do you have any comment on that?

I recognize America. Our current president has had little to do (positive or negative) with the current state of the United States. All this contraceptive vs. women's rights stuff is just political nonsense.

I've stated this many times before, but if people (i.e. politicians) would like to debate real subjects, let's do that. But with Ron Paul unofficially out of this election, we've come to a situation where we're voting for which president says he pro-life and which president says he's pro-choice. There is no economic difference between Obama and Romney. They both want to give benefits to big companies at the expense of the middle class. There is no "rights" difference between Obama and Romney. They both want to limit free speech and privacy rights as much as they can. You're falling for the fake political crap. Rush vs. Maher. Womens' rights vs. contraception. It's all irrelevant nonsense.

[patches70]

I haven't seen an intelligent issue based response yet.

I think we should all be allowed to hunt and eat Bald Eagles. They are tasty I'll have you know. Not nearly as greasy as the California Giant Condor and a lot more meat than the Snow Owl. Overall a very tasty bird is the Bald Eagle. I recommend everyone try it at least once.

[Phatscotty]

I haven't seen an intelligent issue based response yet.

I think we should all be allowed to hunt and eat Bald Eagles. They are tasty I'll have you know. Not nearly as greasy as the California Giant Condor and a lot more meat than the Snow Owl. Overall a very tasty bird is the Bald Eagle. I recommend everyone try it at least once.

Finally!

[Night Strike]

...to changing our traditions and our history

Nobody can change history , though the foolish view it sometimes with rose tinted glasses. As for tradition it can be the bedrock of both good and bad , if its redundant then there is little point hanging on to it.

You REALLY need to learn about the early 20th century Progressive movement. One of their stated goals was to change the history books kids use in school in order to teach them that the Founding Fathers were all white racists that couldn't be listened to in the present day and that Christianity had absolutely nothing to do with our founding. That's why most of those books cite virtually no primary sources in their teachings. Read original sources and you'll realize that what is being taught really is a changed version of history.

[Night Strike]

In an attempt to steer this thread away from the realms of fantasy I shall make a factual observation : It would appear that certain conservatives on this forum have thrown in the towel and already conceded a November victory for Obama , hence the grossly exagerated rhetoric.

Where's the exaggerated rhetoric? I can immediately think of a news story for every single one of those issues Phatscotty posted. I'm not going to go find links for all of them, but they're all founded on actual events and comments.

Exaggerated - Unduly or unrealistically magnified.
I trust this will aid your comprehension.

Oh yeah, I forgot that we have to stop magnifying all the horrible actions Obama and his Democrats have been taking so they can keep doing it to the American Constitution and people. ANY pointing out of their actions is an exaggeration because they're not really trying to "fundamentally transform" the country.

[BigBallinStalin]

As if a Democrat couldn't write up a similarly intended post against what Republicans are doing, right?

Can't we all just agree that bi-partisan politics is what is truly destroying America? Or is it just easier to blame the side you don't agree with?

Yes, that is the dominant strategy.

[Phatscotty]

Man, I wish I had checked Off Topics today...

Some points:

(1) AAFitz - I hope you're trying to be funny because your pro-Democrat rhetoric is as disturbing as Phatscotty's pro-Republican rhetoric. For example, your suggestion that "[t]he republican party is owned by and completely worksf or the top 1%... while getting those in dire need of the Democratic policies to argue against them." What Democrat policies are you referring to? The bailout of the banks? The hiring of ex-financial advisors to head up SEC groups to regulate the financial industry? The Affordable Care Act boondoggle for health insurance companies? The opt-outs for 200+ companies? The Patriot Act? Which one is it? I refer you to Bones' accurate assessment of the political situation in this country (it's on page one of this thread).

(2) Phatscotty - What the hell dude? Are you turning into a conservative stooge now or what?

(3) Phatscotty - The Affordable Care Act is definitely not socialized healthcare (or socialized health insurance). It is an unconstitutional law that forces individuals to purchase health insurance from existing health insurance companies and increases the cost of health insurance. It's crony capitalism at it's cronyist and is Exhibit A of how the president is basically no different than GW Bush.

Yeah I took that part out so we can focus on the issues that are not as arguable. And no I'm not a Conservative stooge, I just have a problem with the Democrat party right now, and this is semi in response to the "war on women" which we have already spoke about before. Maybe now you see what the whole thing that was supposedly over with has grown into.

Someone, can't remember who, said in 2008 "In 4 years, you will not be able to recognize America". Do you have any comment on that?

I recognize America. Our current president has had little to do (positive or negative) with the current state of the United States. All this contraceptive vs. women's rights stuff is just political nonsense.

I've stated this many times before, but if people (i.e. politicians) would like to debate real subjects, let's do that. But with Ron Paul unofficially out of this election, we've come to a situation where we're voting for which president says he pro-life and which president says he's pro-choice. There is no economic difference between Obama and Romney. They both want to give benefits to big companies at the expense of the middle class. There is no "rights" difference between Obama and Romney. They both want to limit free speech and privacy rights as much as they can. You're falling for the fake political crap. Rush vs. Maher. Womens' rights vs. contraception. It's all irrelevant nonsense.

I agree it's irrelevant. I also agree the left is putting on the full court press to make it relevant, and if we say nothing, it may become relevant. That's how big lies work

[comic boy]

...to changing our traditions and our history

Nobody can change history , though the foolish view it sometimes with rose tinted glasses. As for tradition it can be the bedrock of both good and bad , if its redundant then there is little point hanging on to it.

You REALLY need to learn about the early 20th century Progressive movement. One of their stated goals was to change the history books kids use in school in order to teach them that the Founding Fathers were all white racists that couldn't be listened to in the present day and that Christianity had absolutely nothing to do with our founding. That's why most of those books cite virtually no primary sources in their teachings. Read original sources and you'll realize that what is being taught really is a changed version of history.

I said that nobody could change history , not that certain groups haven't tried to rewrite it in order to suit an agenda. Do you think the tenets of recent ' Young Earth Creationism ' are sound , should children be taught such as historical fact ?
We can all cherry pick to suit our bias but it serves no purpose other than to discredit the real facts and underscore the weakness of our arguments.

[comic boy]

In an attempt to steer this thread away from the realms of fantasy I shall make a factual observation : It would appear that certain conservatives on this forum have thrown in the towel and already conceded a November victory for Obama , hence the grossly exagerated rhetoric.

Where's the exaggerated rhetoric? I can immediately think of a news story for every single one of those issues Phatscotty posted. I'm not going to go find links for all of them, but they're all founded on actual events and comments.

Exaggerated - Unduly or unrealistically magnified.
I trust this will aid your comprehension.

Oh yeah, I forgot that we have to stop magnifying all the horrible actions Obama and his Democrats have been taking so they can keep doing it to the American Constitution and people. ANY pointing out of their actions is an exaggeration because they're not really trying to "fundamentally transform" the country.

By all means continue to exaggerate the evils of your supposed enemies , increased dogma and polarisation can only uplift political debate . I cite the outstanding recent success of the Republican party as a fine example of the tactics you advocate.

[Timminz]

Which examples I provided are rhetoric?

Found one.

our health care system is socialist

how is that rhetoric? Is the state not taking charge of distributing healthcare?

When did that happen? Last I heard, there was some nice crony capitalism going on (with the mandatory insurance, and whatnot), but health care was still being administered by the same organizations as before 2008.

oh, so technically, since the state socializing healthcare does not happen until 2013, saying in 2012 that healthcare is being socialized by the state is rhetoric...got it!

The Affordable Care Act is definitely not socialized healthcare (or socialized health insurance).... It's crony capitalism at it's cronyist

Yeah I took that part out...

Thanks greekdog. You seem to have found a way to translate what I said into Phatscottese.

Also, thanks Scott for sending me that PM, apologizing for being full of shit earlier. I really appreciate when people are willing to admit their errors, and try to improve themselves.

[aad0906]

just curious, where in your opinion are Republicans attacking American traditions, principles, and values?

for starters, the Bush administration banned online poker (assuming that poker is an American game thus part of American culture).

And the credit rating was not lowered because of the debt increase (and we can argue about what/who caused that) but because certain politicians threathened to let the US default on its obligations. The debt ceiling was not going to be raised for any new incremental spending but for spending already agreed to by both parties. If they had just increased the debt ceiling right away (of course I do agree with you the government expenditure has to be cut) instead of threathening to default (knowing that in the end the ceiling would increase no matter what) then the rating would not have been lowered. Ironically by doing this, they caused governmnent spending to increaase because of higher interest rate/risk spread.

[AAFitz]

Man, I wish I had checked Off Topics today...

Some points:

(1) AAFitz - I hope you're trying to be funny because your pro-Democrat rhetoric is as disturbing as Phatscotty's pro-Republican rhetoric. For example, your suggestion that "[t]he republican party is owned by and completely worksf or the top 1%... while getting those in dire need of the Democratic policies to argue against them." What Democrat policies are you referring to? The bailout of the banks? The hiring of ex-financial advisors to head up SEC groups to regulate the financial industry? The Affordable Care Act boondoggle for health insurance companies? The opt-outs for 200+ companies? The Patriot Act? Which one is it? I refer you to Bones' accurate assessment of the political situation in this country (it's on page one of this thread).

I gave the thread the appropriate amount of serious posting it deserved...to be honest...I think I over achieved.