Barack Obama: "Marriage is NOT a Civil Right!"

[Baron Von PWN]

[quote="Phatscotty"]and......maybe Obama was knowingly lying about his true feelings on gay marriage in order to win an election? I wonder if he was lying about the Christian part too

I can already see the apologists "Well, sure he was lying saying he did not support gay marriage, but that's okay because we knew he would "evolve". But for sure he is telling the truth about the Christian part. He said is is a Christian, I believe him"...just like you believed he said he was against gay marriage[/quote]

To be honest I never believed he was against gay marriage. I said he was taking the least offensive position. I think Obama is now gambling that being pro- gay mariage is now the least offensive position to the majority of voters. By coming out in support of it. Romney or Paul are faced with two options.

They can either
A) unequivocally oppose it and make it an issue in the election (in my opinion a net loss move)

or
B) Dodge the issue by taking a position similar to Obama in the last election or come out in favour.

B will defuse the issue upset some of the hardcore Christian voters but they will probably vote GOP anyways, and make them more palatable to moderates.

A) will make this a wedge issue in the election and fire up the conservative christian wing of the party. At the expense of likely driving away moderates (who I suspect are more in favour than against).

If the republican convention were over I think the GOP candidate would avoid the issue. Since it's still going on I expect either Ron or Romney to make a strong statement against gay marriage in order to convince that wwing of the party to support them.

I suspect Ron will come out with a statement to the effect that he thinks gay-marriage is bad but it should be up to states to decide.

This would lose him some moderates and liberals but possibly give him a strong boost in the nomination process.

[Iliad]

and......maybe Obama was knowingly lying about his true feelings on gay marriage in order to win an election? I wonder if he was lying about the Christian part too

I can already see the apologists "Well, sure he was lying saying he did not support gay marriage, but that's okay because we knew he would "evolve". But for sure he is telling the truth about the Christian part. He said is is a Christian, I believe him"...just like you believed he said he was against gay marriage

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[Army of GOD]

isn't Obama a muslim though?

[Frigidus]

I can already see the apologists "Well, sure he was lying saying he did not support gay marriage, but that's okay because we knew he would "evolve". But for sure he is telling the truth about the Christian part. He said is is a Christian, I believe him"...just like you believed he said he was against gay marriage

Wow, you're right Phatty. Obama changes his stance to further himself politically, therefore he isn't a Christian! I guess that the majority of the House and Senate are also not Christians! This is some ground breaking shit.

[AndyDufresne]

isn't Obama a muslim though?

He is Islam. He's the whole religion, last I heard.


--Andy

[Timminz]

[Phatscotty]

http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/25/more-support-for-gun-rights-gay-marriage-than-in-2008-or-2004/?src=prc-headline

In 2008, there were sizable differences in opinions about gay marriage among whites and blacks. While whites opposed gay marriage by a modest 51% to 41% margin, blacks opposed gay marriage by more than two-to-one (63% to 26%).

I don't understand the point. Can you elaborate?

He understands. He simply refuses to acknowledge. Just like my links he absolutely refuses to click on
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a closed mind, of course, in the name of open-mindedness

[Phatscotty]

I can already see the apologists "Well, sure he was lying saying he did not support gay marriage, but that's okay because we knew he would "evolve". But for sure he is telling the truth about the Christian part. He said is is a Christian, I believe him"...just like you believed he said he was against gay marriage

Wow, you're right Phatty. Obama changes his stance to further himself politically, therefore he isn't a Christian! I guess that the majority of the House and Senate are also not Christians! This is some ground breaking shit.

I would word it like this. He lied about being anti-gay marriage/homophobic in the first place, to further himself politically. However, now his evolution will hurt him. His base is far more against gay marriage. The minorities he counts on to keep power are by far more anti-gay marriage/homophobic than any other group.

[Symmetry]

http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/25/more-support-for-gun-rights-gay-marriage-than-in-2008-or-2004/?src=prc-headline

In 2008, there were sizable differences in opinions about gay marriage among whites and blacks. While whites opposed gay marriage by a modest 51% to 41% margin, blacks opposed gay marriage by more than two-to-one (63% to 26%).

I don't understand the point. Can you elaborate?

He understands. He simply refuses to acknowledge. Just like my links he absolutely refuses to click on
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a closed mind, of course, in the name of open-mindedness

TGD doesn't have a closed mind. Difficult to argue with, sure, but he's never struck me as closed minded.

[rdsrds2120]

http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/25/more-support-for-gun-rights-gay-marriage-than-in-2008-or-2004/?src=prc-headline

In 2008, there were sizable differences in opinions about gay marriage among whites and blacks. While whites opposed gay marriage by a modest 51% to 41% margin, blacks opposed gay marriage by more than two-to-one (63% to 26%).

I don't understand the point. Can you elaborate?

He understands. He simply refuses to acknowledge. Just like my links he absolutely refuses to click on
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a closed mind, of course, in the name of open-mindedness

TGD doesn't have a closed mind. Difficult to argue with, sure, but he's never struck me as closed minded.

Oh sym!

You dun did it again!!

-rd

[Symmetry]

Oh sym!

You dun did it again!!

-rd

Was he talking about me? Why did he refer to me in the third person? Very confusing.

[Symmetry]

Scotty, sorry, I replied to your reply of my post assuming you were replying to me. My point on TGD still stands, but was probably irrelevant to the criticism of me that you were making when you replied to me while addressing someone else.

[saxitoxin]

President Barack Obama's announcement that he now supports same-sex marriage came sooner than planned as a result of comments made by Vice President Joe Biden, he said in an interview broadcast Thursday.

I can just imagine CNN viewers nodding knowingly, with interest and a solid belief in their own position in the intellectual class (while their ridiculous land grant university degrees hang on the wall behind them).

Obama never made a decision, Biden never made a decision. A team of publicists made a decision after analyzing polling data, timelined a communications strategy and then called a booker on Good Morning America to schedule Obama to come on to discuss this faux history of an internalized struggle that never happened.

Congrats, gays. You're the pawn Obama just moved two squares forward to derail the bad news of the April jobs report. Like dutiful pawns, they'll now all prance off to the polling booth with their PFFLAG candidates guide in their hands to react as statistics said they would.

Obama is in a four-way tie for the most morally bankrupt president the U.S. has had in 20 years. It takes a true sociopath to spin the evolution of cowardice as a moment of intellectual courage. I can almost guarantee a brain scan of Obama would find lesions on his orbital cortex. This is a sick, sick man. A very sick, disturbed individual. My one hope for the Earth is that the White House is actually, secretly, a secured medical facility designed to safely hold the world's most dangerous psychopaths.

[thegreekdog]

http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/25/more-support-for-gun-rights-gay-marriage-than-in-2008-or-2004/?src=prc-headline

In 2008, there were sizable differences in opinions about gay marriage among whites and blacks. While whites opposed gay marriage by a modest 51% to 41% margin, blacks opposed gay marriage by more than two-to-one (63% to 26%).

I don't understand the point. Can you elaborate?

I don't have a point, just providing data.

Huh, you kind of act differently when I provide data. Still, you're the global mod.

What?

[Symmetry]

And that's the TGD I know and love.

[thegreekdog]

http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/25/more-support-for-gun-rights-gay-marriage-than-in-2008-or-2004/?src=prc-headline

In 2008, there were sizable differences in opinions about gay marriage among whites and blacks. While whites opposed gay marriage by a modest 51% to 41% margin, blacks opposed gay marriage by more than two-to-one (63% to 26%).

I don't understand the point. Can you elaborate?

He understands. He simply refuses to acknowledge. Just like my links he absolutely refuses to click on
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a closed mind, of course, in the name of open-mindedness

What?

[thegreekdog]

And that's the TGD I know and love.

No seriously, I don't know what you're talking about.

[Phatscotty]

President Barack Obama's announcement that he now supports same-sex marriage came sooner than planned as a result of comments made by Vice President Joe Biden, he said in an interview broadcast Thursday.

I can just imagine CNN viewers nodding knowingly, with interest and a solid belief in their own position in the intellectual class (while their ridiculous land grant university degrees hang on the wall behind them).

Obama never made a decision, Biden never made a decision. A team of publicists made a decision after analyzing polling data, timelined a communications strategy and then called a booker on Good Morning America to schedule Obama to come on to discuss this faux history of an internalized struggle that never happened.

Congrats, gays. You're the pawn Obama just moved two squares forward to derail the bad news of the April jobs report. Like dutiful pawns, they'll now all prance off to the polling booth with their PFFLAG candidates guide in their hands to react as statistics said they would.

Obama is in a four-way tie for the most morally bankrupt president the U.S. has had in 20 years. It takes a true sociopath to spin the evolution of cowardice as a moment of intellectual courage. I can almost guarantee a brain scan of Obama would find lesions on his orbital cortex. This is a sick, sick man. A very sick, disturbed individual. My one hope for the Earth is that the White House is actually, secretly, a secured medical facility designed to safely hold the world's most dangerous psychopaths.

It only took Obama 4 years to come around on the issue. I'm glad he is not in a position to have to make tough decisions in a timely manner.

I'm also glad he does not lie about his positions in order to trick people into voting for him. I am not glad that to many people something like this does not matter and they will even vote for him again.

[Phatscotty]

http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/25/more-support-for-gun-rights-gay-marriage-than-in-2008-or-2004/?src=prc-headline

In 2008, there were sizable differences in opinions about gay marriage among whites and blacks. While whites opposed gay marriage by a modest 51% to 41% margin, blacks opposed gay marriage by more than two-to-one (63% to 26%).

I don't understand the point. Can you elaborate?

He understands. He simply refuses to acknowledge. Just like my links he absolutely refuses to click on
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a closed mind, of course, in the name of open-mindedness

What?

Your point about 63% of blacks who oppose gay marriage. Symmetry pretend to not understand what you mean. But really he is just ignoring the factual data. His ignoring of my links happened in another thread. He asked for a link, then I provided one and he went on and on about the reason he wasn't going to click on the link. He spent more time weasling out of it then he would have just opening his mind to new information and another point of view.

[thegreekdog]

I'm not making a point about whether or not 63% of black people that were polled in 2008 opposed gay marriage. That is merely data. How one interprets the data depends on the person. I've already read a number of editorials indicating some backlash from the black community. What do I think will happen? Nothing bad to the president probably.

[Symmetry]

Symmetry pretend to not understand what you mean. But really he is just ignoring the factual data. His ignoring of my links happened in another thread. He asked for a link, then I provided one and he went on and on about the reason he wasn't going to click on the link. He spent more time weasling out of it then he would have just opening his mind to new information and another point of view.

Pretty sure that your link in that case was a 30 minute long episode of the Glenn Beck show, Scotty. A full half hour long episode. With no indication about which part was relevant. I clicked on it, saw it was a 30 minute long episode of Glenn Beck's show, then explained I wasn't going to waste 30 minutes trying to find a point that you weren't able to identify in that morass.

Then you got upset cos I asked you which bit I should look at.

Apparently your hissy fit has rolled on in to this thread.

[Phatscotty]

Symmetry pretend to not understand what you mean. But really he is just ignoring the factual data. His ignoring of my links happened in another thread. He asked for a link, then I provided one and he went on and on about the reason he wasn't going to click on the link. He spent more time weasling out of it then he would have just opening his mind to new information and another point of view.

Pretty sure that your link in that case was a 30 minute long episode of the Glenn Beck show, Scotty. A full half hour long episode. With no indication about which part was relevant. I clicked on it, saw it was a 30 minute long episode of Glenn Beck's show, then explained I wasn't going to waste 30 minutes trying to find a point that you weren't able to identify in that morass.

Then you got upset cos I asked you which bit I should look at.

Apparently your hissy fit has rolled on in to this thread.

You lie! OMG you are so full of shit!
,
#1 you can see with your eyes the video is 7 minutes long
#2 I told you it was 7 minutes long
#3 I told you really you only need to watch the first 180 seconds, an exact indication of which part was relevant

It couldn't be more obvious you are the most closed minded person here and 100% refuse to even look at a different point of view. Is that not an exact definition of bigotry? You are a text book bigot

Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot", a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group.

[Symmetry]

Symmetry pretend to not understand what you mean. But really he is just ignoring the factual data. His ignoring of my links happened in another thread. He asked for a link, then I provided one and he went on and on about the reason he wasn't going to click on the link. He spent more time weasling out of it then he would have just opening his mind to new information and another point of view.

Pretty sure that your link in that case was a 30 minute long episode of the Glenn Beck show, Scotty. A full half hour long episode. With no indication about which part was relevant. I clicked on it, saw it was a 30 minute long episode of Glenn Beck's show, then explained I wasn't going to waste 30 minutes trying to find a point that you weren't able to identify in that morass.

Then you got upset cos I asked you which bit I should look at.

Apparently your hissy fit has rolled on in to this thread.

You lie! OMG you are so full of shit!
,
#1 you can see with your eyes the video is 7 minutes long
#2 I told you it was 7 minutes long
#3 I told you really you only need to watch the first 180 seconds, an exact indication of which part was relevant

It couldn't be more obvious you are the most closed minded person here and 100% refuse to even look at a different point of view. Is that not an exact definition of bigotry? You are a text book bigot

Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot", a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group.

You say the sweetest things. Why would anyone suggest that your arguments are anything other than flawless?

[Phatscotty]

Symmetry pretend to not understand what you mean. But really he is just ignoring the factual data. His ignoring of my links happened in another thread. He asked for a link, then I provided one and he went on and on about the reason he wasn't going to click on the link. He spent more time weasling out of it then he would have just opening his mind to new information and another point of view.

Pretty sure that your link in that case was a 30 minute long episode of the Glenn Beck show, Scotty. A full half hour long episode. With no indication about which part was relevant. I clicked on it, saw it was a 30 minute long episode of Glenn Beck's show, then explained I wasn't going to waste 30 minutes trying to find a point that you weren't able to identify in that morass.

Then you got upset cos I asked you which bit I should look at.

Apparently your hissy fit has rolled on in to this thread.

You lie! OMG you are so full of shit!
,
#1 you can see with your eyes the video is 7 minutes long
#2 I told you it was 7 minutes long
#3 I told you really you only need to watch the first 180 seconds, an exact indication of which part was relevant

It couldn't be more obvious you are the most closed minded person here and 100% refuse to even look at a different point of view. Is that not an exact definition of bigotry?

Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot", a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group.

You say the sweetest things.

no comment about your lies? Perhaps an indication of why you are on the verge of being foed? Perhaps the reason I told you never to ask me for a link again?

[Symmetry]

no comment about your lies? Perhaps and indication of why you are on the verge of being foed? Perhaps the reason I told you never to ask me for a link again?

I've got no idea, but if you would like to explain I see no reason why you should hold back. I'm certainly not stopping you. Indeed, you've accused me of a lot so far, and given me no point of reference to look at.