Romney: Sorry for the homophobic bullying

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Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

I'd be bothered if Obama said he didn't remember it and kept it a secret. Are you bothered by Romney's take on this now?

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Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

I'd be bothered if Obama said he didn't remember it and kept it a secret. Are you bothered by Romney's take on this now?

When I'm 50 years removed from high school, I doubt I will remember much of anything that happened then. And if the sister of the person who was allegedly bullied doesn't remember her brother coming home with a new haircut, there are legitimate questions over whether the bullied person even remembers it happening.

[Symmetry]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

I'd be bothered if Obama said he didn't remember it and kept it a secret. Are you bothered by Romney's take on this now?

When I'm 50 years removed from high school, I doubt I will remember much of anything that happened then. And if the sister of the person who was allegedly bullied doesn't remember her brother coming home with a new haircut, there are legitimate questions over whether the bullied person even remembers it happening.

Why make excuses for Willard on this? You wanted to use the Obama example, and you know he remembered. What makes you grasp for excuses for Romney? You're trying to argue that he legitimately forgot, and that it didn't happen. That's grasping.

[Night Strike]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

I'd be bothered if Obama said he didn't remember it and kept it a secret. Are you bothered by Romney's take on this now?

When I'm 50 years removed from high school, I doubt I will remember much of anything that happened then. And if the sister of the person who was allegedly bullied doesn't remember her brother coming home with a new haircut, there are legitimate questions over whether the bullied person even remembers it happening.

Why make excuses for Willard on this? You wanted to use the Obama example, and you know he remembered. What makes you grasp for excuses for Romney? You're trying to argue that he legitimately forgot, and that it didn't happen. That's grasping.

Actually, if you had read some of the other stories on the subject, you would see that the "it didn't happen" story isn't that far-fetched. And I'm not making excuses for him: I'm saying it's a pointless issue for the election and the story itself was designed to coincide with the Obama announcement in order to make Obama look like a saint and to make Romney look like the devil.

[Symmetry]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

I'd be bothered if Obama said he didn't remember it and kept it a secret. Are you bothered by Romney's take on this now?

When I'm 50 years removed from high school, I doubt I will remember much of anything that happened then. And if the sister of the person who was allegedly bullied doesn't remember her brother coming home with a new haircut, there are legitimate questions over whether the bullied person even remembers it happening.

Why make excuses for Willard on this? You wanted to use the Obama example, and you know he remembered. What makes you grasp for excuses for Romney? You're trying to argue that he legitimately forgot, and that it didn't happen. That's grasping.

Actually, if you had read some of the other stories on the subject, you would see that the "it didn't happen" story isn't that far-fetched. And I'm not making excuses for him: I'm saying it's a pointless issue for the election and the story itself was designed to coincide with the Obama announcement in order to make Obama look like a saint and to make Romney look like the devil.

So now you're going with the "it didn't happen" line. You're giving up on the "perfectly excusable he didn't remember", and the "it was so long ago, it doesn't matter" excuses?

At least you've settled, i suppose.

[chang50]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

If the bullying was true,yes much worse.Obama was only hurting himself.

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Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

If the bullying was true,yes much worse.Obama was only hurting himself.

but Romney wasn't committing a crime.
most bullies arent even punished.

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Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

Citation? First I have heard of this.


That said, I would say absolutely. Drug use harms mostly you. Bullying harms other people for a lifetime, not just the individual act, but the fact that it happens unpunished perpetuates the negativity and can make it spread. (the whole mob mentality thing). Drugs can be associated with violance, but it is mostly more contained. Also, if the drug in question were Marihuana, then at the time Obama would have used it, it really would have been a pretty harmless thing.. less dangerous than alchohol by a stretch. (not so true now, but that's another story).

[chang50]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

If the bullying was true,yes much worse.Obama was only hurting himself.

but Romney wasn't committing a crime.
most bullies arent even punished.

The question asked was which was worse.The fact that one is a crime and the other not,although it should be,is irrelevant.

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Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

Citation? First I have heard of this.

His own book Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.

[Symmetry]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

Citation? First I have heard of this.

His own book Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.

Indeed, Obama is able to remember his past. Romney can't. I see why Conservatives like him. He's like Reagan.

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Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

If the bullying was true,yes much worse.Obama was only hurting himself.

but Romney wasn't committing a crime.
most bullies arent even punished.

The question asked was which was worse.The fact that one is a crime and the other not,although it should be,is irrelevant.

so you are saying that stupid youth mistakes are worse than stupid youth crimes? CRIMES?

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And once again, we're back to the basic point- Willard is likely lying now.

The issue is the fake apology.

[chang50]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

If the bullying was true,yes much worse.Obama was only hurting himself.

but Romney wasn't committing a crime.
most bullies arent even punished.

The question asked was which was worse.The fact that one is a crime and the other not,although it should be,is irrelevant.

so you are saying that stupid youth mistakes are worse than stupid youth crimes? CRIMES?

Non criminal mistakes can easily be worse than minor crimes,I can't understand why you don't see someting so obvious.

[Symmetry]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

Citation? First I have heard of this.

His own book Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.

Aye, so why are you protecting a man who lied about bullying with a defense that another candidate for president is not a liar?

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Aye, so why are you protecting a man who lied about bullying with a defense that another candidate for president is not a liar?

because you have no evidence that he lied... it is just as likely that Obama lied about being born in the US (more likely, since we have pictures of him immigrating).
hence please stop trying to say that he lied when you have no evidence, and lets not bash people for things that happened over 50 years ago when they are today doing good things

[Symmetry]

Aye, so why are you protecting a man who lied about bullying with a defense that another candidate for president is not a liar?

because you have no evidence that he lied... it is just as likely that Obama lied about being born in the US (more likely, since we have pictures of him immigrating).
hence please stop trying to say that he lied when you have no evidence, and lets not bash people for things that happened over 50 years ago when they are today doing good things

Not really, and irrelevant even if true. Don't special plead for Willard on a strange, and disproven conspiracy theory that a different person might have done something else.

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Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

Citation? First I have heard of this.

His own book Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.

OK, but yes, it is not as bad as bullying. Further he, by your own words, admitted he did it. Romney keep trying to deny anything even happened... and then excusing it while also apologizing. he doesn't just want both sides of the fence, he wants the top and bottom as well on this!

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Aye, so why are you protecting a man who lied about bullying with a defense that another candidate for president is not a liar?

because you have no evidence that he lied... it is just as likely that Obama lied about being born in the US (more likely, since we have pictures of him immigrating).
hence please stop trying to say that he lied when you have no evidence, and lets not bash people for things that happened over 50 years ago when they are today doing good things

No, there are no pictures of Obama immigrating. Sorry, but no. His dad did. He traveled, and went to school outside the US for a time. Obama was, however, born in the US.

As for Romney.... his own actions pretty much speak for themselves.

[Night Strike]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

Citation? First I have heard of this.

His own book Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.

OK, but yes, it is not as bad as bullying. Further he, by your own words, admitted he did it. Romney keep trying to deny anything even happened... and then excusing it while also apologizing. he doesn't just want both sides of the fence, he wants the top and bottom as well on this!

Romney apologized in a flippant matter, but if Obama's admitted drug use in high school doesn't matter, then neither does Romney's alleged bullying. Especially since the "facts" about that bullying aren't even confirmed by a family member of the alleged victim. You would think a sibling would notice when their brother comes home with a bullied haircut. And if it was so traumatizing on the family, it would have been remembered.

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Romney apologized in a flippant matter, but if Obama's admitted drug use in high school doesn't matter, then neither does Romney's alleged bullying. Especially since the "facts" about that bullying aren't even confirmed by a family member of the alleged victim. You would think a sibling would notice when their brother comes home with a bullied haircut. And if it was so traumatizing on the family, it would have been remembered.

I see, so you apparently missed my previous two answers?

Obama's drug use impacted him, not the wider world. He may have harmed himself, but not others except in a very remote way.

Bullying is directly harming another human. That he does not remember it means he thought such behavior was "just normal". It means he took no notice of causing another person to cringe and cry, thought he had the perfect right to act in such a manner. I myself don't think that is the kind of attitude I want in someone who is a president, ruler of the nation.

Further, in his apology, he was pretty careful to apologize, but without really getting into the root of why bullying is wrong or the harm it does.

I draw a contrast, one that comes to mind because I live close to state college and see this daily in newspapers now.. When Sandusky was first accused in public, Paterno quickly came out and said that this was a very horrible thing, IF it happened, expressed not just sympathy, but some basic understanding of how much such things can harm a child and went further to firmly state that regardless of whether Sandusky was or was not guilty, that the community and even society needed to do more. He directed people to support abuse fighting entities, support the victims. However, he was cautious in the mode of the guy he knew had not been convicted and therefore was (and still is, I might add) legally innocent. Now, there is a lot of debate about Paterno's actions. I don't really want to get into that, but look at how he was villified for something in which he was not directly involved, DID report to the proper authorities and so forth. Now Romney is given a pass for something he directly did and for which he does not really seem truly remorseful???

[chang50]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

Citation? First I have heard of this.

His own book Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.

OK, but yes, it is not as bad as bullying. Further he, by your own words, admitted he did it. Romney keep trying to deny anything even happened... and then excusing it while also apologizing. he doesn't just want both sides of the fence, he wants the top and bottom as well on this!

Romney apologized in a flippant matter, but if Obama's admitted drug use in high school doesn't matter, then neither does Romney's alleged bullying. Especially since the "facts" about that bullying aren't even confirmed by a family member of the alleged victim. You would think a sibling would notice when their brother comes home with a bullied haircut. And if it was so traumatizing on the family, it would have been remembered.

Victims of bullying are very adept at hiding what is happening to them for a variety of reasons.It really ticks me off when people casually downplay the lifelong trauma it can cause,even comparing it to drug use that only harms the user.

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Bullying is directly harming another human. That he does not remember it means he thought such behavior was "just normal". It means he took no notice of causing another person to cringe and cry, thought he had the perfect right to act in such a manner. I myself don't think that is the kind of attitude I want in someone who is a president, ruler of the nation.

Have you never been to grade school, Jr. high school, or high school? Bullying is essentially the norm. Even more-so 40-50 years ago when compared to today. That doesn't make bullying right, but it's not like it's a rare situation. The only difference here is that Romney was the alleged bully while most of our public figures claim that they were the ones who were bullied in school.

Further, in his apology, he was pretty careful to apologize, but without really getting into the root of why bullying is wrong or the harm it does.

I draw a contrast, one that comes to mind because I live close to state college and see this daily in newspapers now.. When Sandusky was first accused in public, Paterno quickly came out and said that this was a very horrible thing, IF it happened, expressed not just sympathy, but some basic understanding of how much such things can harm a child and went further to firmly state that regardless of whether Sandusky was or was not guilty, that the community and even society needed to do more. He directed people to support abuse fighting entities, support the victims. However, he was cautious in the mode of the guy he knew had not been convicted and therefore was (and still is, I might add) legally innocent. Now, there is a lot of debate about Paterno's actions. I don't really want to get into that, but look at how he was villified for something in which he was not directly involved, DID report to the proper authorities and so forth. Now Romney is given a pass for something he directly did and for which he does not really seem truly remorseful???

Performing sex acts on children is in no way similar to bullying.

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Victims of bullying are very adept at hiding what is happening to them for a variety of reasons.It really ticks me off when people casually downplay the lifelong trauma it can cause,even comparing it to drug use that only harms the user.

Including hiding a school-made haircut? And how many people are really harmed for life by school-aged bullies? Not many. Stuff happens in society, and you have to learn how to deal with what happened. It's part of growing up and learning about how to deal with the people around you. People learn to grow up and move on. Some apparently still need to.

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Bullying is directly harming another human. That he does not remember it means he thought such behavior was "just normal". It means he took no notice of causing another person to cringe and cry, thought he had the perfect right to act in such a manner. I myself don't think that is the kind of attitude I want in someone who is a president, ruler of the nation.

Have you never been to grade school, Jr. high school, or high school? Bullying is essentially the norm. Even more-so 40-50 years ago when compared to today. That doesn't make bullying right, but it's not like it's a rare situation. The only difference here is that Romney was the alleged bully while most of our public figures claim that they were the ones who were bullied in school.

yeah, a woman who is raped is obviously guilty, because all she had to do was call out for help.....

That he was the bully very much DOES make a big difference. That you fail to understand is not surprising. You have often acted as a bully here.. you don't acknowledge true disagreement, you dismiss it as irrelevant. You rarely truly debate me, you mostly just toss out what you consider to be slurs.. and then go on as if you are "just obviously" better than I. That is not discussion, and it is pretty close to what bullies do, albiet you act with words and I am more adept than most at fending them off.

Performing sex acts on children is in no way similar to bullying.

Actually, it is very much the same. Sexual abuse is wrong precisely because it is among the most harsh type of bullying. It is not different at all. It is about abusing power, subverting those deemed inferior or weaker. That the exploitation is sexual in nature does not remove the fact it is also about power and abuse.